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CS 178: Gay Cake Pt. 1 (06/09/2019) (Patreon)

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2019-06-14 05:52:19
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On this episode we have T. and Ken. We discuss the phenomenon of gentrification and neoliberal identity politics that ignores Black people even as it displaces them.

The theory that T. discusses of how frumpiness works in fashion trend circles and how it works against women who aren't considered conventionally attractive is taken from Amanda Mull's article "The Myth of Pulling it Off." https://nylon.com/articles/skinny-privilege-myth-pulling-it-off


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Bryan Murphy

Yeah, all this ‘shit’ (& it is shit no reason to deny it Trevor) has become a big problem within the so-called black LGBTQ community. I mean, I don’t identify w/the concept anymore and have for a long while used SGL to describe myself. Interestingly, in the 90’s and early 00’s there was much more movement towards Manago’s term. He was even present and spoke at the ten year anniversary of the Million Man March. The Hon. Min. Louis Farrakhan and the NOI got some heat for that from other pro-black circles but stood by that decision. The term & the consciousness assoc. w/it has declined unfortunately, and it’s kinda sad because with the rise of white acceptance w/respect to LGBTQ, black folk attached themselves to it; maybe b/c they tried unconsciously to differentiate themselves for the sake of the tiny bit of social prestige that comes with it (which y’all mentioned & which is true because of the double minority kick but also b/c of the ‘fairy’ dust that comes with the white obsession with the exotic & with alterity in general amongst white ‘hipster’ liberals who need to experience constant ‘difference’ in order to feel something; Norman Mailer already discussed this 60 yrs ago with the white ‘hip’). Another reason it appears that SGL black folks have latched onto ‘lgbt’ is just b/c black sgl folks are perceived as just the black version of white lgbt people. Thus, we are less threatening to the white power structure in general (partly b/c they assoc. lgbt with themselves and thus black lgbt people get subsumed within their extended group; we get ‘bought in’). Another reason includes the simple fact that white notion of ‘lgbt’ offered a way for black SGL folks to think of themselves as something more than being merely ‘down low.’ Consequent to these dynamics, being in the black ‘lgbt’ camp rather than either SGL or other camps has helped folks with their social mobility overall (https://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2015/04/20/is-gay-black-and-male-a-high-salary-trifecta-findings-from-a-new-study/). However, there’s been so much tribulation and friction that recently the white lgbt ‘added’ Black & brown stripes to the rainbow flag — which if you notice are nowhere to be found (those flags are very rare) but at least now the white lgbtq movement can ‘officially’ proclaim itself more inclusive (https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/culture/2017/6/20/15821858/gay-pride-flag-philadelphia-fight-explained). It’s the same tactics used by white heterosexual society. Having Cleo Manago on the show at some point might be helpful and expose more people to these fault lines & how LGBT is being weaponized even as many Black SGL people exist in opposition to it and feel themselves to be black first (https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.huffpost.com/us/entry/1280272/amp).

Champagne Sharks

This is a great comment. I actually would like to have Cleo Manago on but honestly I’d like to have you on at some point too based on your comment. I learned a lot of things I didn’t know before. Thanks so much.