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Francis speaks with Air Force reservist and general legal expert Pat on the topic of the detainee facility at Guantanamo Bay. There are 40 people still there awaiting trials that the government apparently does not ever plan to hold, and it's getting to the point where they're literally setting up hospice care for these people in hopes that they'll just die quietly without ever standing trial. It's grim stuff and we want to explore it in detail.

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