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Vilas looked back at the empty space where the barrier sealing off this area had once been. To the naked eye, nothing was there, but he felt some kind of presence hidden there, unable to escape his senses.

He didn’t get an immediate answer, which made the Viper slightly raise his hand. “If you will not respond to words...”

“Fine,” a distinctly female voice he didn’t recognize finally answered as the woman revealed herself. She was wearing the same clothes and the same kind of mask as the people who’d ambushed Jake in the void. He didn’t recognize her presence either, nor could he tell what kind of magic she used, giving no clue if she was affiliated with any major factions.

“We appear to have underestimated you yet again, Malefic One,” the woman said, slowly walking forward.

“Am I to believe you didn’t expect me to detect you?” he asked with a chuckle, shaking his head. “Please, save your story for someone more gullible and tell me why you wanted to meet me here.”

The Viper was still trying to get a read on the woman, even finding her level of power difficult to gauge. Based on how she’d managed to somewhat sneak up on him, going by how he hadn’t known she was nearby while breaking the barrier based on how fast she got there, she had to be beyond the Godqueen level. Such a figure was someone he should know, yet she didn’t remind him of anyone he’d ever met or heard of.

“Yet my saying we underestimated you isn’t a lie. I hoped to observe you a little longer before you knew I was here,” the woman answered, her eyes smiling. “You are indeed correct. We hoped to meet you here.”

Nodding slowly, the Viper looked back to the pustule. “Tell me, what did you do to cause this? It doesn’t feel like a poison, yet not a curse either.”

“Merely the result of a failed experiment, repurposed into an opportunity to have the Malefic Viper come here with his true body,” the woman answered, being rather forthcoming.

“Which yet again begs the question: why?” the Viper said, fully turning around. “You have me here. True body and all. The perfect opportunity. Though I do hope you have other friends hiding, if this is yet another ambush. I assume it’s an ambush, as that appears to be the MO of your little group.”

Now it was the woman’s turn to chuckle as she unleashed her aura, prompting the Viper to raise an eyebrow. Surprisingly, she was about the power level of Snappy, which really wasn’t to be scoffed at, but at the same time, it meant that she was no threat, something she clearly had to know.

“As you can see, even if I brought a hundred of me, we would be no threat to you. Not even against that avatar of yours you used to explore before,” she answered. “I also want to apologize for the mishap with your Chosen. Certain individuals grew impatient and moved more quickly than some of us would have hoped.”

“See, that sounds a lot like a non-apology where you’re just blaming other faceless figures,” Vilas pointed out. “For fairness, how about you give a name, a location, and I’ll go talk to these impatient people myself? I’m sure we could reach a mutually amicable agreement after a good little sit-down.”

“Unfortunately, I’m not authorized to do that, and the assets they lost that day were at least some level of punishment,” the woman said, not really sounding that apologetic.

“Fine, didn’t expect much anyway,” the Viper casually shrugged. “But I do find myself curious. What do you mean by "they got impatient"? What do they want my little Chosen for?”

“More questions I cannot give satisfactory answers to,” she shook her head. “Though I can at least share the source of their impatience. The very nature of your Chosen breeds nervousness, and we need him alive. Knowing that there was even a contract out on his life by the Court of Shadows, some people decided to make their move to secure him.”

An answer that actually made some level of sense. Jake was good at making people nervous for his life, and he knew that Artemis shared this nervousness, though she was good at not letting it show. He was good at bordering between dead and alive, liked mortally dangerous situations a bit too much, and quite frankly lived in a way that was conducive to dying.

Then there was the contract by the Court of Shadows. Jake had just fought the assassin in the form of a chimera while on his visit to the Pantheon of Life, so it made sense that this made them even more nervous. Especially combined with Jake’s nature, which made him inclined to face the challenge rather than seek safety.

“So you need his Bloodline, huh?” the Viper asked, looking for outright confirmation. “And seeing as your little faction is only capable of infecting and controlling those without Bloodlines or Transcendent Skills, you had to use forceful methods.”

“If you’re looking for confirmation that we broke the Bloodline Accords, fine, you can have it,” she shrugged. “Yes, we need him for his Bloodline and abilities as the Harbinger of Primeval Origins. I cannot tell for what, but he’s rather important. I can tell you that we truly wish him no harm, and even if we had succeeded, we would have continued to support his Path and ascension to godhood.”

“See, that’s one thing I’m a bit confused about,” the Viper said, tilting his head. “He’s my Chosen. I can see you hide those with lesser Blessings, but a Chosen of a Primordial? He would be like a flare in the night, notifying me immediately of where your little base is, which honestly makes me question whether I should have just allowed you to take him.”

“If you’re willing to extend our invitation to him, you’re more than free to do so,” the woman said jokingly. “Though I will warn that he would go somewhere not even you would be able to detect him.”

Hearing her say that should perhaps seem like a big clue, but in truth, it just meant he would be hidden by an extremely powerful formation or inside a World Wonder. There were many places to hide in the multiverse, after all, though his words did still ring true. Finding their base if Jake was there would be a lot easier, and there was even a chance he would find a way to reach out and notify the Viper using some of his odd skills.

“I’ll be sure to tell him that the faction that tried to kidnap him and murder his friends is inviting him to come for a visit. I’m sure he’ll be jumping up and down at the mere prospect,” the Viper waved off her silly proposal.

“You are right that first impression was less than ideal,” the woman sighed, shaking her head.

“Not gonna lie, I doubt you could ever have made a good first impression on him. Pretty sure he’d not be a fan of a faction going around infecting and controlling people, especially not if joining them would mean having to live in hiding,” Vilas said casually, hoping to keep the conversation going, though he was still skeptical.

Why was she here? She’d given some decent information and was just here to talk as far as he could tell, which meant she had to have some kind of goal in mind. Apologizing couldn’t be all. It wasn’t even a proper apology.

“Perhaps not, though I do want to clarify that the vast majority of those you refer to as infected have chosen it. They are not converted or forced into anything, but joined us of their own free will. Also, please save me the grandstanding in protection of mortals, oh Malefic One,” the woman said with a chuckle.

“Hey, I’m not saying I disapprove of such unscrupulous tactics and haven’t done arguably worse things in the past – and probably will do worse things in the future – but unfortunately for you, my Chosen is quite different from me in that regard,” Vilas shook his head, also mentally noting the claim that most joined them of their own free will.

Not to say that he believed her. In fact, he was taking everything she said with a few tons of salt. She had plenty of reasons to spread false information; he wouldn’t assume anything she said was correct unless several additional sources confirmed they were. Some of the things she said did seem probable, but that didn’t mean they were actually true.

“That we are also aware of,” she nodded. “He’s a rather peculiar existence, though I guess with that Bloodline of his, that’s only to be expected.”

“I can’t deny he’s a weirdo,” Vilas said, chuckling and shaking his head. “So you should really tell me what you want with such a weirdo. However, since you aren’t willing to do that, how about you finally tell me why you are here and speaking with me, knowing there is a very good chance I’m going to kill you once this conversation is over? Because just as I’m in my real body, I can tell that so are you, and gods usually want to avoid dying.”

“My affairs are in order, and I’m here fully knowing the risk,” the woman replied, with the Viper still unsure whether she was serious. Did she somehow have confidence in escaping should he attack? Because if she did, maybe he should inform her that it was already too late to run, as her life was firmly in his hands.

“As for why I approached you, it’s to make an offer,” she continued. “One that will also extend to your Chosen, if you so wish.”

“I’m not one to make promises on behalf of others, but if the offer is good, I’ll be sure to share its details with him,” Vilas answered casually. “Though I will warn you, neither of us is easily convinced. Now let’s hear it.”

“Rather than trying to convince you with words, I think it would be easier to show you,” she said before taking out an odd item from her spatial storage. It looked like an orb of fungal flesh, and he detected her pouring energy into it as the entire World Wonder around them suddenly shook.

Walls moved, and not too far away, a portal formed, seemingly created by the Mycotic Depths itself. It swirled with power, clearly that of the World Wonder itself, making the Viper genuinely surprised as he looked at the woman.

“You found a way to control the Mycotic Depths?”

She smiled, clearly detecting his genuine curiosity. “In part, yes. As you no doubt know, the World Wonder is segmented into areas, all with a collective consciousness, but also with smaller neural networks spread throughout to control each segment. We have managed to take control of a few of these segments so far, giving us control over the brain of the surrounding fungi.”

“If you’d told me that your faction had achieved full control over the Mycotic Depths, I would have known you’re lying, but your response seems... possible,” the Viper muttered, looking at the pustule again. “Yet your control isn’t perfect now, is it?”

“No, it’s not,” the woman shook her head. “As I said, that was a failed experiment, and instinctively, the World Wonder moved to defend itself and isolate the energy that could harm it. We cannot control this response, and if we try to destroy or cause the Mycotic Depths harm, we lose control to the overall consciousness of the World Wonder, but if all we do is give smaller commands, those are followed.”

“I can admit you’ve at least caught my interest,” the Viper said with a smile, not lying either. This was actually an interesting development. Obtaining partial control of a World Wonder like this wasn’t easy and showed that this unknown faction had both power and intriguing methods behind it. Even if their control was only partial, it was impressive to say the least.

“I’m honored to hear that,” the woman bowed before motioning toward the portal she’d opened. “And I would be even more honored if the Malefic One would follow me through here.”

“Perfect setup for an ambush,” Vilas pointed out again.

“It would be,” the woman nodded. “But I believe we already went over why that would be a foolish idea.”

“Which would certainly lull me into a false sense of security, looping right back around to making it a brilliant plan,” the Viper joked around as he nevertheless saw no reason not to check out what these people were planning. Was he at risk because he’d come there with this real body?

No. No, he really wasn’t. Worst-case scenario, he’d just need to show them why he was called the Malefic Viper.

“Would you pass through first, or do you want me to?” she asked, not taking his joke very seriously.

“I truthfully do not care,” Vilas shook his head as he teleported over and appeared right in front of the portal that had been created by the World Wonder itself. “So I guess I’ll just go through first.”

Stepping into the portal, the Viper felt himself be transported a relatively short distance, at least shorter than he’d expected to be. He’d clearly gone farther into the World Wonder, but not by much, lending credence to her words that they controlled only a small part of the Mycotic Depths.

The other side of the portal led to a fully enclosed chamber with no exits or entrances, and, as far as the Viper could tell, it was effectively a pocket within the endless walls of flesh that made up the Mycotic Depths.

The pocket was approximately the size of a planet, and an artificial sun hung in the sky, lighting up the world below. He saw cities, green grassy plains, and practically an entire small world hidden deep within the World Wonder, clearly there for many years with no one knowing.

Behind him, the woman stepped out of the portal and immediately noticed Vilas scanning the area.

“It’s not one of our most impressive outposts, but it gets the job done and is relatively decent to live in,” she said in a casual tone. “I myself stay here occasionally, though it’s mostly a place for mortal relatives and such who do not seek power to live out peaceful lives.”

“In other words, a disposable location that should I choose to destroy would only succeed in further motivating your members to work against me,” the Viper said with a smile, confirming that her words were true regarding who lived there. He detected mostly E-grades below, a few D-grades, and a single C-grade who he reckoned ruled the place.

“You can choose to view it like that. I instead would refer to it as a more pleasant location to talk,” the woman said. “It’s also to show you that while we operate out of sight, we may have more forces and greater capabilities than you initially believed. Something I’ll need you to believe for you to take my offer seriously.”

“Lots of lead-up to this offer of yours, so it better be worth it. No more beating around the bush, just out with it,” Vilas said, having also concluded he wouldn’t be able to extract more conversation by dragging out the conversation.

“Very well,” she said, bowing, and rather than tell him, she took out a scroll and held it up towards the snake god. He took the scroll and opened it, scanning its contents before his eyes went wide.

Later, he exited the small pocket world again, the masked god still bowing behind him, while the Viper wore a conflicted look of contemplation as he made his way out of the World Wonder with the scroll.

Comments

Tyler S.

Good ol' shadow banter

NicN

Tftc

Gelatin cube

Villy chapter! I love when we get different points of view.

Dave

I don’t even remember the last full Villy chapter, nice.

Matidbb

Something related to vlias family?

Blake N.

I bet his wife is somehow involved

KatHabit

Happy Monday everyone! What a start to the week.

Eric Haase

Thank god it‘s monday, not friday!

Karim Saadi

what a fucked up cliff, it's like seeing someone walk towards a cliff and then it cuts to them going to the toilet.

Nicolai

"Now it was the woman’s turn to chuckle as he unleashed her aura" she unleashed her

Unwillingmainer

Just what do they want Jake to bring back if they are will to trade even partial control over the Depths for it? That has to be what they want, right? Every usage of his Origin Energy has been to bring back some extinct variant or to make a new one.

Alexander Thomas

Not what I expected from this shadow faction! Really intrigued now what's going on. And wondering if the First Sage actually does have something to do with it

Bentao

It should be something fun since it surprised even Vilas

Daniel Brian

I hope his bloodline protects him from control, since he wasn't born with it...

Putscher

I bet that offer is about his Wife and child

Tribal

TFTC..... quite ballsy for them to approach the viper ..... But what is this scroll 📜 Should be interesting 🤔

Nikola Tobias Hunter

Noooooo, but but ... I want know what's on the scroll. I wanna. I wanna. I wanna.

Xander

TFTC :) Suggested edits: " turn to chuckle as *he* unleashed her aura," should be "she" "of such *scrupulous* tactics and haven’t" should be "unscrupulous" " haven’t done *arguable* worse things" should be "arguably" "control over the brain of the *fungi*.”" should be "fungus" or brain should be "brains" since one is currently singular and one is plural.

definitelynotbrjenness

Those maniacs are trying to make mortals, immortal. Villas thought as he left the wonder. Or She was such a nice lady and her organization has I just cause... why is my pallete active... probably not important ... now what was I supposed to do for master...

Navdeep Kumar

Just a hunch but maybe the scroll has some experiment to ensure the success of whatever ritual villy was trying way back when he decided to finally appear again.

Kota

I mean he's a Transcendent too, so unless them being safe was deliberate misinformation, it should be allright.

Daniel Brian

Good point. Hadn't thought about the fact that he's also a Transcendant!

definitelynotbrjenness

This felt like a chapter Zoggy has been looking forward to writing for a while. Interdimensional cliff hanging with so many ways it can go.

djthomp

Well that was fascinating. It honestly makes sense the hidden faction would eventually freak out and try to grab Jake on account of thinking he'd eventually get himself killed considering his overall lifestyle. If that offer wasn't "we can help resurrect your family" I'll be somewhat surprised.

Bruno Daxo

I felt like there could have been a bit more description of the unknown Goddess's appearance, as well as the appearance and predominant species of the settlement; perhaps it was intentional, but overall, I found the chapter very short...

Kota

Not like we're guaranteed to get answers tomorrow, or even this year. Could be this scene goes unmentioned for 10 books or more...

Harry Pettifer

I can't wait for Jake to destroy the whole Mushroom World Wonder

definitelynotbrjenness

They are a group of tik tok gods from the pantheon of life that are convinced villy killed his wife and child. After 80 trillion years, they are willing to admit villy didn't do it. However, they may have found a partial solution to bring them back.

BZoot

That’s been my thought since the faction was introduced.

Tomer Yud

that would be the most interesting offer for the Viper

Thunder Common

I wanna say it's something to do with the first sage...maybe he "infected" several world wonders

Tomer Yud

I wonder what would happen if the opportunity arrives for the Viper to sacrifice Jake for a chance to revive the Vipers wife

Kota

Many mysteries in this chapter ... the biggest one I can see is: Why did they want or need Vilas to bring his true body? If they only wanted to make an offer, they could have talked to the avatar just as well. Any ideas?

Michael Fannon

What could they have offered the Viper? Only thing I can think of is something to do with bringing his wife and child back.

Mitha

Maybe in about 5 books, when the current arc is done...

Kota

There's so much we still don't know about the Viper, he could be tempted by any number of things we have no idea about. Or, being who he is, he could just fake being tempted in order to play them...

Kyler

I was thinking something more along the lines of first sage What if this whole faction is considered "forbidden knowledge"

definitelynotbrjenness

It's like a video talking about thousands of videos showing up at the same time saying the exact same thing. But you've never seen any of those videos and the message is so insane that you have to wonder if the videos being talked about were made by the people talking about them in order to promote something equally insane. And you have to sit there and wonder, is Zog part of revealing the truth that our world has been controlled by aliens for centuries... or maybe he's from a benevolent group of aliens wishing to free us from the control of the evil aliens so that they can blow our planet up to make an interstellar highway? We just can't be certain what us going to happen.

Loststar7

The fungi / brain one is uncertain due to the whole interconnected nature of the Mycotic Depths mushrooms and molds are straight up weird as hell with that sort of thing even irl.

hocusfire

Definitely an offer that brings his wife and kid back

C0bra$

Thank u for the story

Dylan Hilliard

Wow so much lead up!!!! I cant wait! Hmmm what could it be

Niels Valkenborgh

Unlike most I don't think this has to do with his wife. Imagine the woman actually gave him something like that and how he would react. He would not be moving away from this woman with a frown on his face. He would have put her through something unspeakable just in the off chance she knew more.

Clint

Final Boss revealed: super-god-tier sentient mushroom world wonder (partially) controlled by the mind-control memory-wiping kidnapper cult.

Gracie

tftc!! 🐍🍄📜

Clint

So we’ve got a cult with near-System level memory wiping abilities. And the System itself seems to wipe some memories about it, declaring things to be Forbidden Knowledge. And they set up this meeting to show the Viper something that he will now never be able to forget. That has all kinds of bad implications. Is the Viper going to get squashed in an impossible situation because of his bloodline? Is it related to why First Sage needed to die?

Nikola Tobias Hunter

That's just gonna piss him off more. Like Mustang and Envy. He'll just desolate you more for daring to even go there.

Kota

Tbh 5 books feels a little soon. The arc feels like it's still in its early stages.

Gman

whoever killed villy's fam. and villy went on warpath against them. which lead to bloodline accords. villy missed someone. they built a hidden faction that wants to kill villy now that he's finally back. this faction is also hidden and how they know about the other faction. (or maybe same faction split in half?) and this one knew they will kill his chosen to hurt villy so they tried to abduct him. cuz they want jake to do some bloodline shenanigans for them.

Biggy smalls

My guess is it’s a really cool origin creation ritual. Something that blew Villys big ole brain. I highly highly doubt it has anything to do with his family like others predicted. Her even bringing up his family would lead to her immediate deletion after the conversation ended. Since she’s still alive I doubt that’s what this was about.

Alexandre8901

Well that’s a good one! Thanks!

BZoot

Honestly, yea. That’d also make sense since Jake is the Harbringer of Origins and the first Sage seems to almost be the “origin” of the system…potentially? Mabe? Idk. Seemed like I was on to something, but probably not.

Justin

This is a great question. I can’t think of anything that happened requiring his true body

Heelstoo

To give an alternate POV, I wonder if she provided evidence that, similar to the Exalted event, Villy and Joke live in a manufactured multiverse - and that there’s a “more real” one a level up from them.

Brian Schutt

Is today Friday and my days of the week are off? I must be confused af or something. Wtf was in that beer they gave me? Damn alchemists.

Jul Silver

Since when did we know these people of the faction were infected. And how much do you want to bet that scroll is an offer with help to get his wife and child back. I'm sure the guy from earth with so much vitality is involved.

Caramellato

After a 4 layer behind the scene scheme and a sprinkling of vague mystical sage advice. Starting after the world wonder event concludes. Or maybe it’s a ploy to remove Jake from the competition and one of the big shots in the dao faction has connections and deals Who knows

Rodney (edited)

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2026-09-26 11:00 That's an interesting point and I've been wondering for a while now since we know a lot of progression fantasy and mid RPG authors take some inspiration from Chinese cultivation I was wondering if there was going to be a next layer of existence or maybe another multiverse that this one is going to crash into or something like that
2026-09-21 13:13 That's an interesting point and I've been wondering for a while now since we know a lot of progression fantasy and Lit RPG authors take some inspiration from Chinese cultivation I was wondering if there was going to be a next layer of existence or maybe another multiverse that this one is going to crash into or something like that

That's an interesting point and I've been wondering for a while now since we know a lot of progression fantasy and Lit RPG authors take some inspiration from Chinese cultivation I was wondering if there was going to be a next layer of existence or maybe another multiverse that this one is going to crash into or something like that

Suzanne Pearson

I wonder if they tried to wipe Villys memory of the meeting (but not the offer) but his transcendence kicked in and now he is wondering just how to kill them….. Maybe they wanted to try this on his true body so it would “take hold” not knowing what his transcendence is - like orcas calls him- keeper of forbidden knowledge

Aidan Emerson

Maybe an avatar's perception could be more easily altered so they wanted his true body there to eliminate any thoughts of tampering.

InfernoDroid

Is this the end of a book, or the beginning, three last few chapters have the feeling of a book wrapping up and this has the feeling of both a foreshadowing fire the next book or the setup for the book at the beginning of it

mahmoud fathy

Me too. I think it is first sage related

InfernoDroid

Honestly, I think the simulation arc is about to enter a background arc status very soon. I think after the year's up and Jake returns, it's going to be a lot easier to come and go, so i think it will will mostly be a thing that's we come back to for major events

Amathew2

“Surprise! - The First Sage” “Motherfu…” - Villy

Miguel Sanchez

TFS is not the ORIGIN of the system but the one to best exploit it. I believe that the “reason” he did not want to evolve was that his records are so pervasive in the system (after his death) that he experiences all of the records and knowledge of the system itself. So he had no “need” to evolve.

definitelynotbrjenness

an absolutely magnificent hobbyist wrote a book where MC dies, gets told he can play a video game while they prep a body for him, finds out that may be bullshit and later discovers the universe he is actually in is controlled by an entertainment company in a higher plane of existence.

charlesgers s

Ok all comment under this what you think the hidden group want Jack to do for example

Rewdan

🥺 I know your pain I too suffer from Cliffhanger Syndrome, an over exposure to cliffhangers brought on by certain writers.

Gh0st-Hunt3r (edited)

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2026-09-23 04:00 Yeah I believe it's either an offer having to do with the snake gods family or it's something written directly from the first stage imagine that imagine if the first Sage was involved with this unknown group. Or....Maybe they have villys family hostage somewhere and there gonna use them to get what they want from villy!!
2026-09-21 14:11 Yeah I believe it's either an offer having to do with the snake gods family or it's something written directly from the first sage. Imagine that, imagine if the first Sage was involved with this unknown group. Or....Maybe they have villys family hostage somewhere, as in already resurrected them, or have the ability to, and there gonna use them to get what they want from villy!! OR Maybe they have a way to make him forget his family ever existed, somehow bypassing his bloodline thus easing the pain he feels at there loss !! Hmm?

Yeah I believe it's either an offer having to do with the snake gods family or it's something written directly from the first sage. Imagine that, imagine if the first Sage was involved with this unknown group. Or....Maybe they have villys family hostage somewhere, as in already resurrected them, or have the ability to, and there gonna use them to get what they want from villy!! OR Maybe they have a way to make him forget his family ever existed, somehow bypassing his bloodline thus easing the pain he feels at there loss !! Hmm?

Rewdan

I don’t think it’s a maybe it’s certified. Apparently he’s had extensive training and holds a Masters degree in how to torture readers.

charlesgers s

Zogarth brings himself into the story

Rewdan

Thanks Zogarth nice cliffhanger to start the week

Jordan Rogers

I kinda wonder if it’s to bring back that original group that got wiped that was the number 1 in the first universe.?

Jordan Rogers

Like maybe they didn’t get fully wiped? But they’re Sortof forbidden knowledge so they keep getting forgotten?

Christopher

It was probably duing the fight with Yip of Yore

TheBo

My wild take, is that they want Jake to use his Primeval Origins to make a new system. What is the origin of a World Wonder? Well it's the system.

Clint

They wanted to be sure that the knowledge on that scroll would be hard for the System to erase from the multiverse, for some reason.

Jaxkie

Thank you for the chapter

TheBo

Create a new system with the Mycotic Depths

ABTelford

Very interesting chapter! Also lots of typos. And here’s a word choice error: edit: “ Hey, I’m not saying I disapprove of such scrupulous tactics…”. Change “ scrupulous” to “ unscrupulous”. Because Villy doesn’t have scruples or lines he won’t cross, thus he is UNscrupulous.

Matt

I don't think there has ever been a *full* Villy chapter.

nerathzul

I always suspected jake would hafto fight villy and here is the begginings of that imo

BumAssBumAss

So definitely against the bloodline accord. I thought about that before, Jake has no value to gods aside from his bloodline.

Boomer

To show they could have trapped him in the depths, but didn't to build trust? I got nothing boss.

iam1449

I agree with many of you it has to either deal with his family or the 1st sage I also think it involves the tech race from t he 1st era that villy said was dead

Miotara

It could also have something to do with the First Sage, both his family and the Sage are important to him.

Siethrobo

The eff you mean "maybe"?!

Brian Schutt

EBM told Jake either during their fight or before that it was an infection and it directly manipulated the soul or something like that. Jake, I think it was his thoughts, said something like this hat should be impossible unless a transcendence or bloodline was involved due to impossibility of manipulating a soul directly like that. Or something.

charlesgers s

They what to fill the universe with filly mushrooms people

Barnabus16

The only thing I am confident of is that Jake will destroy that giant mushroom. I like the returning Villy’s family theory but there’s now way it will be that straight forward. I’m expecting to be underwhelmed by what’s in the scroll and realise way later how important it is to the next arc

Gh0st-Hunt3r

Somehow bridge the gap between the Primal Hunter universe and the He who fights with monsters universe and have Villy take out Knowledge for Jason🤣🤣

Christopher

Fair, the Viper vs Yip chapters were arguably more focused on Yip's point of view than Villy's.

zran

That is the best guess anyone can have with how little we know about the viper needs and whants, he doesn't need wealth, nor fame or power, he cares a lot about alchemy, but prefer to discover things rather than be given to him The only other thing he cares besides his wife and child is his master, the first sage, this might be a second best guess

zran

Nah, is unlikely they did anything to him, rather is likely they offered him something too good to be true yet someone he whants badly

DerangedMan

That's unlikely as it is established that their true souls are housed in the monument in his divine realm.

Gabe Stankiewicz

FINALLY A FULL VILLY CHAPTER AND ONE THAT WE’VE ALL BEEN WAITING FOR!!! But for real Zogarth, this is great and you’re great for doing what you’re doing. It’s wild to me that you have hundreds of thousands, maybe even collectively millions of fans who read your work who don’t care what the next chapter holds, just that there IS a next chapter. Again, thanks Zogarth, I truly appreciate you. Your work has made my journey through this rough part of my life so much easier to bear and experience. Thank you 🙏

Spencer Sloan

Thats what I think the deal Is about having Jake captured or forcing him to use his bloodline for somthing and if it is I can see this arc being about testing Jake and the vipers relationship since yip of yore and see how the viper views Jake because we know what Jake does for his friends but we don't know much about how the viper treats people he views as true friends

Ty Cooper

This whole thing is feeling like they have Villys son who is presumed dead. Like the missing/dead gods hinted at when trying to abduct Jake. Might be why Villy fails when trying to resurrect his wife and child. I do not see any other reason he would just leave and not destroy the settlement and god. I always assumed it would be Jake bringing them back to life, but might just be this mind devouring thing. Or big plot twist could be that this mysterious thing is Villy's son hidden away from him or something. And now resurfacing because he is back in the multiverse and not his realm. I do wonder what will come of the bloodline accords that they admitted breaking.

Ty Cooper

Yeah super plot twist is that the hidden evil is Villys son

Alcazur

Zoggy I hate you

tim300wsm

It’s his family or the first sage

Gh0st-Hunt3r

Wrong @DerangedMan here's what I found out: I asked Google "is Villastromo's familys truesouls housed in a monument in his divine realm? in the primal hunter" And it answered: No, their truesouls are not literally housed inside the monuments In The Primal Hunter, Villastromo (Villy / the Malefic Viper) keeps two massive stone pillars or monuments in his divine realm as memorials dedicated to his deceased wife and son. While these monuments are deeply tied to his family, they do not hold their literal truesouls. What the Monuments Actually Contain: The pillars preserve the remaining Records and inscriptions of his family. His wife’s pillar contains incredibly complex data detailing who she was, while his son's pillar has almost nothing left except a single lingering concept: Hope. Villy's Ultimate Goal: Villy is using these monumental anchors to research a way to bypass the System. He regularly peers into the endless void, trying to find traces of their remnants to eventually achieve a true resurrection.

Gh0st-Hunt3r

You should probably do your research before you make a statement like that and make an ass of yourself lol 😆 I said it was a possibility BECAUSE I did the research and came to the conclusion it was a possibility.

definitelynotbrjenness

man, it will be a he'll of a lot more than 1/4 of a universe getting destroyed if someone has mind puppeted villy's kid and wife for a trillion years. every wonder and every galaxy with any ties to the group are going down. Insecto's battling away with automata when suddenly a green fog melts all the cyborg. monks ommmmming away on mountain tops hit with a blast of desolation. first sage tries to hide in Jake's soul and finds out angry jake is too much for him to handle.

Biggy smalls

I see things the exact opposite way. “You deprived me of my son for trillions of years”, He’d have destroyed her on the spot and she knows it and he didn’t. No, my guess is this is just a really awesome Jake juice opportunity for Jake. Completely unrelated to Villys family.

definitelynotbrjenness

i'd guess it is one of these: 1. scroll of howling ghosts 2.hell scroll 3. scroll of frolicking animals

Kaladin

They're just trying to grow the craziest mushroom and need primal energy to make one that will make even a primordial go on a trip.

DefinitelyNotMinaga

Perfect example on why reading terms and conditions matters!

Aaron Drew

I completely agree, if you and that creepy ice elemental guy got together your kids would be penguins and that'd just be weird.

Justin

Oh maybe forbidden knowledge can’t be shared with an avatar, ok that jives

Mrburns93

Looks like a "last of us" type of situation. Dead gods controlled by parasitic fungi

MaeWyse

Idk why but I think this is effectively about the simulation and how Jake can actually bring things out of said places where things cannot exist outside like the troll he brought out and now sim Jake as well, the sage being the only person to know always weather he was real or in a sim I think plays a part there as well as having records might be a way to bring those lost back, idk just spitballing

Percules

Love this take

Caezar

Am I the only one that doesn't really feel like following a powerful unknown person through a portal doesn't really seem in-character for Villy? Also, if it is possible to "sense" that it's the true body and not a clone, how was Yip fooled into thinking that a clone of Villy was the real deal?

Fylbrom

Okay, I know I just asked for this kind of chapter, but fuck, that wasnt what I expected. He left WITH the scroll. Does that imply he made a deal of some sort? The only thing I can see Villy selling Jake out for is if they somehow had proof that they could bring back his dead wife and kid. If that was a system enforced contract saying g they could do it somehow, I see Villy considering it.

Trumangolorian

Soooo we just going to forget that Jake agreed on a year hiatus with the Venus people. By the time he returns there, it will be years later. Oh and Tyftc Zogi.

JW Saxby

I have a theory, and if anyone is able to correct me or confirm it’s not a plausible one please do lol What if this faction, is actually just a collection of alll the primordials and gods and power figures of the multiverse… that are inside of a virtual simulation world that somehow managed to also realise that they were not the real versions of them selves and actually just simulations. Just like Jake and the first sage realised it. And the only way they can get out of the simulation is through two ways. One option being less permanent or substantial as it is just like a temporary solution where they are only able to partially enter the real multiverse if their “real” selves no longer exist (like how there can’t be two of the same soul in the universe). And that’s also why they aren’t afraid to “suicide vest” themselves when needed because they accept they were never truly real AND there are still multiple versions of themselves that exist in the virtual multiverse realities? And the second way they are able to enter the real world multiverse is through bullshit bloodline system fuckery? Which is 1) why the need Jake because his particular bloodline is somehow the perfect key for them to achieve there escape from the simulation and arrival into the real world, and is also why the First Sage decided to end his life in Cgrade because he realised his bloodline was also able to assist those other beings to do exactly that as well? And that all this “mysterious hidden faction” is actually other version of the primordials that intend to invade and conquer reality? Giving even the “real” primordials a decent challenge and/or fight because it’s multiple versions of themselves they are going against as well. Hell the “Final Boss” could be an alternate Villy who in one simulation realised the truth and tried to steal the first sages power to conquer the real world and he has spent the entirety of his existence building a force to breach reality and conquer everyone and everything and this is also why Jake is the Primal Hunter (insinuating that he could one day hunt and kill Primordials) as he will have to help assist in defeat these other Sim-Primordials and the story will end with what he hinted at in the very first book when in the tutorial challenge dungeon and seen the mural of Villy and pictured him self fighting and hinting the pinnacle (something’s beyond the event horizon) with him Hunting and Killing Sim-Villy after he, in a terrible twist, likely kills real Villy to enter their real world and also therefore inviting Jake’s wrath for Sim-Villy killing real Villy. Also Jake’s studying and training with his own Sim-Jake skills and powers will eventually lead to a way for him to properly fight against the Simulation Beings/Primordials ect. If all that makes sense lol (When ya get an idea but aren’t sure of how to properly formulate it into words 😅) What are other people’s thoughts on this theory?? Plausible/possible or have I missed something that could shoot down this theory easily and just can’t remember it?

Seen Death

I really like the speculation! Im not sold on its foundation, however there could easilly be other 'close enough' alternatives that effectively do the same thing. It seems like too big of a coincidence that unknown faction is dealing with a simulated reality, while the newest world wonder is about this aswell, but then again maybe it is precicely why it did... You are implying FS also was aware, and he died in the first era so its been over 50 eras and its just happening now? I view FS basically as powerful as the system at this point, while he is bound by it, he likes to abuse its benefits and then negate its negatives, so ultimately he is more capable than the system allows- and the system is absolute... Second: if they were all simulations, technically there could be infinity simulations, and in each one a different unique person could have achieved godhood. Literally everyone from the first era could have a sim-clone that is a primordial. Of course, not every one would realize they are in a simulation, but with infinite simulations... eventually one would right? But this town shown today was all weak (with a C grade) individual Maybe they are the "failure" copies- the ones who realized it was a simulation while not succeeding in their path. They are all still "individuals" so just offing themselves is probably still undesirable... until the successful version of themselves would probably have to kill the other semi-real copies to manifest themselves? Honestly the speculation that could go into this is crazy lol Edit: and i think the most likely reason the viper didnt kill the lady, was because he deemed it pointless... for whatever reason. Also explains why he never heard of her

Seen Death

I think Villy thought it would be entertaining nomatter how the encounter went Was it a risk? Yes, but so was bringing his true body into this realm to begin with- and now that he found a lead he was inclined to continue the investigation. Basically its well earned arrogance lol Also, the clone(it might not have actually been a clone, but i forget what was identified after Villy allowed it to happen) Villy used when fighting Yip was special- its entire purpose was to fight Yip until he could not resist (while hiding its identity) and then transform Yip into an ingredient. Talking about this kind of makes me want to go reread what it was called (id imagine it was a combo of an actual villy clone that was modified into a combat capable catalyst)

Seen Death

Wasnt it an item that brought out the troll? I think i remember a contract or something I dont think Sim Jake would count as a success to this unknown faction though. Sim jake does resonate with Jake, but hes not truely sentient And i think they would prefer Eron's form of "immortality" over becoming something similar to Sim Jake

Seen Death

Harbinger yeah I dont think his ability is ready to be used in whatever manner they intend though. Currently jake just sends jake juice out there and lets it flow with minimal guidance But id imagine they would desire something a lot more specific (probably why they intend on getting him to god realm, so he can actually help) Which would make Jake their #1 priority to protect... and staying out of danger is completely opposite of Jakes path. So yeah i think theyre out of luck

Seen Death

Zogarth is the FS, currently living on Earth, waiting for re-integration lmao (/s ofc)