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#572 - The Art of the Deal (Patreon)

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Oh lord almighty, when will we be rid of this man? Apparently not for another four years at least. We ring in the latest chapter of this neverending "Trump Era" with the new biopic/origin story THE APPRENTICE (2024).

"This Time We Have to Hold the Democratic Party Elite Responsible for This Catastrophe" by Jeet Heer - https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/democratic-party-elite-responsible-catastrophe/

"Democrats chose backing a genocide over defeating Trump" by Adam Johnson - https://therealnews.com/democrats-chose-backing-a-genocide-over-defeating-trump

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sinesynced

On the point about Trump as a threat to democracy, I really liked Milan Loewer's piece in Jacobin: "With her blue wall tour, Harris almost appeared intent on doing Trump’s job for him. She was telling voters: 'Washington insiders and reasonable billionaires agree, Trump is too dangerous to be president,' effectively positioning him as the enemy of a deeply unpopular establishment and status quo."

Shane

The Center is Dead. Long live the New Center.

Kieran Duffy

I love the claim that Latinos won't vote for a woman as president when Mexico just did exactly that.

Jeremy Hawkins
>>154677558

When I told my sister this after she said Mexicans come from a "patriarchal society" her response was "Well La-Dee-Da"

Jeremy Hawkins

I really appreciate your perspective on the election. From my perspective working almost exclusively with Mexican immigrants who don't speak English. All but one of them support Trump, and the way that they do it is with lesser evilism, they all acknowledge that he's racist and when he talks about "the economy" he's talking about the wealthy, but they're struggling to "buy gas" and "buy eggs" as I saw people say very caustically and didn't really see another option. Also wanted to say I just got back from a rally I helped organize against Trump and my group met at least 14 people who were interested in joining my group that's dedicated from breaking with the Democrats and helping to build a new party for the working class. And I just wanted to say that when I was joining this group I was aligning with their politics during our contact discussions, but I still had a twing of fear that they were a bunch of fucking weirdos, yet my fears were assuaged when I heard one Mr. Luke Savage casually bring up Kshama Sawant winning her recall election as a bit of good news on the Michael and Us Podcast. So thanks for that. It's definitely not my place to put the Michael and Us seal of approval on the group, but if after the election you're looking to get organized, I recommend looking into Socialist Alternative, we have sections across the US, Canada, the UK, and beyond.

Kijib

Biden only won because of covid Bernie and his supporters were right all along, corporate dems and msm WRONG Bernie wouldve won

Mid-Sized SeDan

The Remember Shuffle episode on the 2004 election made clear parallels to 2024, but I think 2012 also offers some insight. Despite being the incumbent president, Obama adopted the language of the Occupy movement, and so validated feelings of discontent among the electorate while giving them a target to blame that wasn't him. He then didn't do anything about it when reelected, which help pave the way to Trump. Harris could have done the same, distancing herself from the establishment and giving voice and direction to peoples' discontent. Instead she said she'd govern no differently from Biden — the man who was *pushed out* for her to run — and palled around with the Cheneys. Trump was the one who pulled an Obama, running as a change candidate in spite of being a former president who finished his term *hated*, and winning because he provided a worldview that spoke to how people actually felt, at least in part. Great intro song choice

Mid-Sized SeDan
>>154686906

Its annoying that he's gonna be stumbling around the White House for the next two months thinking "I'm the only one who beat Trump." in 2020 *I* could have beaten Trump. And he forgets about the Make-A-Wish ass primary too, with Barry calling up the libs telling them to drop out

Orn Pauldorf

as usual, the dems thought they were cleverer than everyone else, that they could manipulate events and the timetables of those events down to the finest detail, and that they could have it both ways (fueling ethnic cleansing while also succeeding electorally). as usual, they tripped over their own dicks.

Victor Holmberg

Feeling so lost rn - waiting for Clooney's next op ed in the new york times so I now where we are headed next 🥲

Nick Playfair
>>154686906

Bernie was a real danger to them, they can be hurt and they panicked. That's the lesson that I hope the American left remembers and doesn't lose hope.

Nick Playfair

Bad news folks: there's a dang cheeto in the white house

Ciaran Colley

I also first thought the Trump family dinner table at the start was weirdly modest, but it also brought to mind the Corleone family table at the end of Godfather 2 - just a thought

Eric Cline
>>154702404

Nah, we won't be truly saved until a bunch of celebrities do a Skype recording of "Imagine".

piranhaplant

Seeing so much white liberal racism and classism pouring out of dem supporters in their desperate effort to explain why brat Kamala lost. Lots of moaning about "uneducated voters" and misogynistic men of colour. It's just mystifying why people rejected this political party.

Oliver Elliott

Lots of good commentary. I think one thing that doesn’t get commented on enough: the Democrats and their most partisan supporters seem to literally not understand the concept of credibility. You can’t say the border wall is evil and then support it when you think it’s expedient. You can’t lecture about democracy and human rights and obviously undermine both. You can’t just point to some website when people complain that you’re not doing or won’t do something. The whole “How dare you think about not voting for us? Democracy is at stake!” thing WS referenced is so on point here.

Oliver Crane

I do think there’s an argument to be made that the election hinged on stuff getting more expensive, and there might not have been any campaign strategy to overcome that, but they sure picked one that definitely wouldn’t.

Greg Burns

What is the track at opening

Nick Playfair
>>154718081

there's just an overwhelming contempt for the public that radiates off them and I don't blame any American for just saying "fuck this"

Glintz

Wanted to get on here and say thank you for doing what you guys do. There’s a real comfort listening to you both just come at things with relative calm and ease. The night of the election it was abundantly clear what happened even before we were into the late hours. I couldn’t fall asleep, just laid in bed for hours trying to not think. But one of the few comforts I was looking forward to was getting to listen to you guys help make sense of reality. I really love the vibe you two have. Truly, thank you for being around and putting in the work. You guys always leave me with a smile on my face after every episode. Much love.

Victor Holmberg
>>154702404

Alternatively maybe we can kick start the resistance by getting Maya Rudolph to sing Hallelujah on SNL

Orn Pauldorf

was the movie faithful to Trump's inability to laugh? and his inability to smile except for that squinting half-sneer..?

Thomas V

Great reference of the Adam Johnson article! He is also the cohost of the Citations Needed podcast which is excellent

Adam

I decided to watch this last night, and it was indeed very good with some powerful performances. Though the second half of the movie was a surreal experience because it felt like an extended version of back to the future 2.

Tyler Sutherland

Great episode as always, but i need to make a correction: there was an open primary, all the other candidates were just nobodies and gained no traction so they couldn't get on the debate stage or votes

Michael and Us
>>154847550

It really was a primary in name only. The entire Dem machinery aligned with Biden before anyone had voted, no debates were held, and in some states they simply cancelled primaries or caucuses altogether. These things aren't super democratic at the best of times, but this was a total sham. - L

Johnny 5

They deal in art, the art of the deal They sing "Sieg Heils" in aisles of high heels

Tyler Sutherland
>>154847550

These were entirely by the institutional rules of the primary that were carried over since Bernie had run in the previous ones. He faced them just fine, despite being an Independent democratic socialist senator from Vermont. Debates were held in 2024, but they were on little networks for smaller candidates that couldn't break 5% even combined against a popular amongst his base (at the time, at least) incumbent president. No one wanted to waste that kind of time or ad space money listening to a businessman, a healing crystal lady with zero political chops or movement/vision behind her, and a mini-Biden congressman yell at an empty chair that Biden nor Harris would dignify filling. They cancelled Florida and Delaware, the former of which was NOT going to vote for Williamson, Phillips, or Palmer, nor were either gonna vote Uncommitted. You can argue that it is anti-democratic, and I agree that it is, but that does not mean the primary was closed. No one serious ran because everyone serious knew Biden would win in a walk just because he was the president and had a huge warchest, all the incumbency advantages, and it would be a massive waste of time and no one wanted to risk sinking their own careers over it. And they were right! Because even if Biden got primaried, he would have just stepped aside for Kamala! And the Dem machinery aligned with Clinton from the outset in 2016; was that one a closed primary as well? Bernie made the cut really easily despite having all those disadvantages, and he almost won! Because he thought he had a shot, and ran with it! He didn't run in 2024 because he didn't think he'd have a shot, and tons of other people thought the same thing and replicated it across the board, they weren't threatened or told "don't run", they came to that conclusion themselves. Come on, Luke, you're a really cool dude and I love your writing; you're better than buying into these type of bromides, especially when they make so little sense.

Jimmy McMillan

We have a liberal Joe Rogan it's Oprah Winfrey

Michael Warren
>>154847550

It was an open primary just no debates and it started in South Carolina for some reason…

Michael Warren

Thanks for spruiking The Apprentice! It would be a shame if it disappeared into the ether. It’s a searing exploration about how much toxic masculinity drives Trump’s behaviour and decision-making.

Michael Warren
>>155032003

Well, I didn’t know it was a learned behaviour rather than something that came naturally to him. I thought it interesting how Roy Cohn, in response to his own self-loathing as a homosexual, actively learned how to be an alpha male and distilled it into a set of rules.