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#576 - The Society of the Spectacle (Patreon)

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With America suddenly lurching to the right on immigration, we checked to see where one prominent Democrat documentarian stood circa 2011. In CITIZEN USA: A 50 STATE ROAD TRIP (2011), our old friend Alexandra Pelosi travels to all 50 states, flattening all of them into the same paste. PLUS: Andy Warhol, Paul/Tyson, and the real legacy of Obama's 2008 campaign.

If you absolutely must watch Citizen USA, you can rent it here - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3CYtUBofJk&ab_channel=YouTubeMovies

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ChingyFan

I know that look

David

First

Blank

Holy shit Friday afternoon, Will and Luke talking an A. Pelosi doc, life is good

Orn Pauldorf

the great thing about pro wrestling: as long as everyone involved is a competent professional, you will see a coherent narrative play out from bell to bell. also, it's only *ritual* violence -- cooperative displays of violence -- as opposed to genuine malice... i think that's a fairly healthy kind of sublimation, as it pertains to our natural urges to engage or witness some form of violence. it's like the wrestlers are channeling all of our baser instincts into their performances, before finally exorcising them with the count of 1-2-3.

Tyler Plunkett

Knew it was a Pelosi doc based on the thumbnail. Is this some demented form of auteurism?

Victor Holmberg

An Ed Wood book is really cool, don't get me wrong, but when's the Alexandra Pelosi book coming?

Andrew Struthers

Have Tyler Shipley on to discuss his recent IG dissection of the Canadian Heritage Minutes!

Blank

“Sold your body for money” = anyone who’s sold their labor for a wage, amirite?

piranhaplant

On the Obama boys' processing of the election: I heard a clip of one of the Pod Johns saying that the main problem with the Dems is they "don't have a story to tell." So, simply a problem of narrative, aesthetics, style, etc. The perfect distillation of vapid Obama-ism. I guess the Harris-Walz ticket should have leaned harder into that weepy story about the coconut tree.

Jeremy Hawkins

I always think that I've heard enough about Alexandra Pelosi and I'm always sucked in. She has the energy of a ten year old who goes to her Grandma's birthday that blows out the candles on the cake. The smoothest brain.

olly

calling Valerie Solanas "one of Warhol's many hangers on" is a crime worse than shooting him.

Jacob Hurwitz-Goodman

i recommend the film 'Fearless', written by Matt Yglesias's dad. Fascinating psychological airplane crash movie starring Jeff Bridges.

Kieran Duffy
>>156130919

Father Ted Crilly: It's just a rush. I feel fearless. Like Jeff Bridges in that movie. Father Dougal McGuire: I didn't see that one. Father Ted Crilly: Not many people have, Dougal. It's probably a bad reference

Myles Bartoli

That Warhol Dracula movie - what do the higher member tiers think of that?

James Washburn

Not to sound too conspiratorial, but is Alexandra Pelosi’s film career part of a money laundering operation run by her mother?

Zach Hurley

curious what you guys would make of Songs For Drella— a great album, with a beautiful, newly restored concert film, which features songs by Lou Reed and John Cale detailing Warhol’s life and legacy. Think it could make for an interesting discussion!

Jonathan Ziemba

Yall should watch Empire (1965) for the pod

Dee Gee

That factoid about Kissinger's brother was in the Walter Isaacson biography (the relatively good one). When asked why this was, the brother was known to quip that he listened whereas Henry only talked. I suspect AlPel was trying to replay the bit with him.

Oliver Crane
>>156118735

Idk I sort of agree depending on what they mean - like, Bernie had good policies but also a very simple narrative that he hammered over and over again that connected with a lot of otherwise disengaged people. Harris had a few decent policy proposals but no narrative of how she would improve your life or who the common enemies are, because half the enemies had endorsed her.

Peter McInnes

Werner Herzog is a big fan of Mike Tyson’s intellect… “I’d love to have Mike Tyson in one of my films. Actually Tyson and I met and we immediately liked each other. There has to be the right project. You see, these things are staying dormant, maybe forever. Maybe a project is coming along where Krauss would fit as a villain, or Mike Tyson would fit in as a scientist. Actually, I’ve had very, very fascinating discourse with Mike Tyson about the Roman republic. And he has been in the public appearance at the New York Public Library in the discourse. High, high-caliber intellectual discourse. prowess.

Podcast subscriber 78

You guys need to do an episode or longer segment just about the heritage minutes. They were always overly dramatic like, some lady in a dress running desperately after a 1920s steam engine in sepia tone: “Hey! Don’t forget my recipe!” Then a transition into a still painting with a serious voiceover: “Sarah Smithenfeld. The first ever woman to cut the sandwich crust off of bread for her kids. A part of our heritage.”

Mura

The interesting thing about the queer interpretation of Warhol, is that it’s absolutely contrary to the attitudes a lot of queer artists that I know have towards him, that his post 1968 career is an abandonment of trans women and drag queens specifically in order to court more mainstream markets. I’m genuinely curious how they deal with this interpretation in the more hagiographic readings, do they just ignore it? Or do they try to smoother it in pablum?

Michael and Us
>>156354030

My memory of that particular Art Gallery of Ontario exhibition is that a big deal was made of the portraits of trans women in Warhol's "Ladies and Gentlemen" series of the '70s. -WS

ChapoFan inParis

Nominate the 2004 Michael Fassbender movie "A Bear Named Winnie" for Michael and Us!

Iain
>>156181495

It's an incredible album and I'm pleased to hear there's a concert film to dig into!

Zach Hurley
>>156181495

It’s a must-watch, really! Just to see and feel the emotion between Reed and Cale is quite powerful, it’s clear there’s so much love, pain, and history between the two and they were so close to Warhol, they totally understand him on a level that few do. The concert film’s been on the Criterion Channel, idk if it still is?

Paul Brewer

Love that you ended this one on the ‘Internationale’ of American capitalism. Also, if Paddington Bear came from Peru, no reason why Winnie-the-Pooh can’t be from Manitoba

Nixper

Another great Alexandria Pelosi ep! You guys ever consider doing an episode on Harley Davidson and the Marlboro Man? Great film.