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#578 - Final Offer (Patreon)

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2024-11-28 18:17:17
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The Canadian documentary FINAL OFFER (1985) captures the contentious negotiations between General Motors and the Canadian wing of the United Auto Workers Union. We consider the conditions that allowed a the union triumph against the backdrop of Reagan/Mulroney-era austerity. PLUS: Taking the temperature on Canada's economic "vibe-cession," and what does Trump's tariff threat to Canada actually mean?

Watch FINAL OFFER - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYNwc0KuGTc&ab_channel=NFB

"Democratic Elites Embraced the Identity Politics They Decry" by Branko Marcetic - https://jacobin.com/2024/11/democratic-elites-identity-politics-sanders

Check out "Shifting Gears: Canadian Autoworkers and the Changing Landscape of Labour Politics" - https://www.ubcpress.ca/shifting-gears

Our episode on the Flint Sit-Down Strike - https://www.patreon.com/posts/514-sit-down-sit-101918612

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Comments

Josh Bayer

Another example of a project that comes off as anti union from the Gung Ho era is Last Exit to Brooklyn - it’s more pronounced in the book maybe than the film, but the major plot thread in both follows a closeted union leader who , during a bitter strike, spends all the Union funds (meant for operations costs ) on a sex worker for himself . i wonder if Hubert Shelby ever clarified his position on unions( or doubled down on his antipathy )in interviews?

Horseloverfat

Amazing that anybody can say “the economy is doing well but people hate their lives” without then stopping to question some of their underlying assumptions or metrics

Taylor

The shop floor footage gets me amped every time

Mid-Sized SeDan

Still listening but I both love the Canadian content and want more of it, and hate it because y'all give me more people to be angry at.

Danny

TAKE OFF

Chris

Love this movie. I show it in my labour relations class every year and the students always get so much out of it. I nominated it as a super delegate pick a while back, excited to listen to the ep. Also: really envious the one dude’s Roxy music shirt

Jeremy Hawkins

It feels like it's been forgotten after Oct 7th but from the time of the midterms onwards if you asked the democrats what their biggest obstacle was, they'd say something along the lines of "We just have to let people know that the democrats are responsible for how good things are now." Starting last week, the election narratives has seemed to me to completely shifted to saying "We should have been better at explaining to the rubes how inflation works, and that things will never be as good as they were in 2019." I hope that people find the courage and take up the challenge of building opposing forces to capitalists and as was brought up in the discussion in the doc, challenge Union leadership that uncritically gives money and support to an organization that wouldn't bat an eyelash in order to crush them.

Julia

Loving the description of the adversarial relationship with management. My father was a UAW member/GM worker in NJ, DE, and OH from 1985-2011 and this is absolutely what he taught me. It's so clear that was all the culture of the union. I am going to watch this documentary.

MC

FINALLY!!!!

MC

We’re HeaDeD foR a ROADBLOOOOCKK

Brian

Historical NDP aside, they very much feel like a slightly more touchy feely, standard liberal political party to me. Maybe my vibes aren’t syncing up with their policies but I will echo Will’s question: How do we discipline the NDP?

Dee Gee

The description of Pod Save America as a sort of liberal Chapo is fairly apt. They're more prone to joking and swear words than, say, the Vox podcasts. Jon Lovett even goes so far as to make sex jokes (which are tamer than even this generally not-horny podcast). Having kept up with them from the leadup to the '22 midterms through this election, I think the real purpose of PSA is to tell its progressive audience that the better things they dearly want aren't possible, and that the noble thing to do is to accept that in the name of winning elections. Luke has described the Democratic outlook as Panglossian and in a way the label still fits. This is still the best of all possible worlds, even though it's undeniably going to shit.

Robert White

Sirota made a good point about PSA: they kind of gatekeep the “internal” discourse, but as now-celeb exemplars of Obama‘s team, they’re too complicit to be honest about the real damage their collective project did to the Dems relationship to workers. I’d add that the reflexive, “can’t be that” attitude toward everything progressive-populist (except the most sanctimonious and biz-friendly versions of social justice rhetoric) is frustrating. Anyway, as a much, much less significant Bob White in the movement myself, I appreciated this episode, and will seek out “Final Offer”.

Evan

Can confirm that yes, "Open for Business" is indeed on the ass of every new vehicle in Ontario.

Andrew Struthers

Towering episode fellas. As a young person at the time the CBC chronicled this dispute responsibly, focussing on workers rights and corporate profits. Local newspapers and national magazines were reliably more conservative in their coverage. Hard to fucking imagine these days. Bob White was a hero and much discussed while stuffing envelopes for the NSGEU that year.

Blank

New Toronto slogan: “We’re growers not showers.”

Blank

By god if my M&U subscription goes up to $6.25 I will don a pussy hat and match to DC

Blank

This episode was so good I might be willing to concede the lack of Great White North, but on the other hand I don’t want to tell my kids and grandkids and fellow members of M&U nation that this is where they started chipping away and the fight was lost

Derek Spieker

“Ontario, a province…on the grow!”

Theodore Hannoush

Wonderful episode. Please reconsider decision to cease playing Great White North at the beginning of Canada-centric episodes.

piranhaplant

I want to take this opportunity to voice my support for the ongoing ban against "Take Off," if only for the fact that the song request seems to be coming mostly from American listeners who want to see us debase ourselves. To them I say shame on you. Between this and the tariffs, tensions are at an all time high.

Iain
>>156869080

As a Scottish listener, and supporter of the Movement to Restore Take Off, I take umbrage to this characterisation. My motivations are both simple and pure: to hear the dulcet tones of Canada's finest export, Geddy Lee.

Alex Quirk

I think i just saw Luke in a pub in the beaches and accidentally gawped like a medieval french peasant seeing a television, if i did, and if he sees this, then sorry about that.

Nate Hamlet

Gung Ho is a movie that I wouldn't recommend to anyone that isn't a host of the Michael and Us podcast.