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#602 - Prestige Slop (Patreon)

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2025-03-02 03:57:09
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Imagine someone fed the last 10-or-so years of American liberal politics into an A.I. machine and told it to create a Netflix miniseries. Friends... you don't have to imagine. We discuss Robert De Niro in ZERO DAY (2025), the bilge water at the bottom of the prestige-TV. PLUS: Checking in on the Canadian Liberal Party leadership race, and what ever happened to the Garfield Eats guy?

"The problem with Carney-ism" by Luke Savage - https://www.lukewsavage.com/p/the-problem-with-carney-ism

"How TV Became Respectable Without Getting Better" by Matt Christman - https://www.currentaffairs.org/news/2017/05/how-tv-became-respectable-without-getting-better

"Casual Viewing" by Will Tavlin - https://www.nplusonemag.com/issue-49/essays/casual-viewing/

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Jeremy Hawkins

I just read that article from Matt Christman and loved it. Thanks for sharing it. I'm really glad that it finished with a dissection of Westworld, which was the death knell for prestige tv as well. The start of the pandemic coinciding with the launch of the Criterion channel were the perfect things to get me to watch movies instead of TV and I'm much much more artistically satisfied. A few weeks ago I saw a fantastic Vietnamese movie called the scent of green papaya and it's for free on youtube and available to everyone. In the 15 years I had netflix, I saw less good movies than I do in a month on Tubi. Never finish watching the Sopranos Will.

James Reynolds

SNL's Robert Mueller the mini series

Gus

Luke was very unfair to my favorite minor league hockey team (Cincinnati Cyclones; Maple Leafs' ECHL affiliate) but that's okay, I'll still keep drinking this garbage.

Michael Rowland

Oh wow wow incredible to have Bob on the podcast. That was a treat I was not expecting, and a most delectable one at that!

Blank

Garfield Eats mentioned again before ep 800–I just won a prop bet

Blank

Also speaking of prestige TV, Sloan have you watched the sopranos yet?

Brian
>>166419520

Thanks, I kept wondering if the guitar player was running for office.

aaron

an interview rivalling stephen merchant vs chris martin from coldplay

piranhaplant

Will was fully immersed in that De Niro impression, I thought we might've lost him forever. He might still have traces of Bob's accent for the next few episodes.

Daniel

have the boys done any comment on severance at all? for my money, a worthy ‘prestige’ successor

Neil C

Would love a show on Nolan’s The Prestige-I think it’s his best

Kainien Morel

I think I learned about ZERO DAY before you boys did purely by chance: I finally sat down and watched SQUID GAME (a mere four years after everyone else did), breaking my absence from Netflix, and saw mentions of it in their "upcoming programs" section. Even a general enjoyment of De Niro's recent work wasn't enough to peak m interest though, but I do think I'm significantly less aware of the "slop crisis" you've described with Netflix just because...I seldom watch their lineup, aside from hugely acclaimed blockbusters (so, SQUID GAME) and foreign programs that they happen to carry, but don't actually produce (or not exclusively, in the sense that they're also carried by broadcasters or other distributors--in this case, mostly anime like KAKEGURUI: COMPULSIVE GAMBLER, which I heard of through their Japanese distribution and Netflix is just a convenience). I've never actually had my own Netflix account accordingly, and just leech of my dad's, but even as that rare breed of physical media collector it's hard to miss the domination of the Netflix model (and while I wouldn't miss not having Netflix--I would buy some things, and torrent the rest of them--I'm pretty sure the large majority would). Is this "slop creep" effecting other services in the same model, Hulu, Disney+, etc.? I want to say no, because I can't really see the same influence in, at least a cursory glance, Japanese and Korean programming on Netflix, at least not yet. So, safe to say ZERO DAY is probably a pass on me. I'll never know if De Niro as Winning-Biden could sell me on Russiagate. P.S. I did end up taking your suggestion back in late January and watching BLUE VELVET and...I enjoyed it? In truth the actual mystery behind the neo-noir mystery story seemed painfully obvious ("Oh, what a shock, Dennis Hopper kidnapped someone."), but that was made up by the very good performances, particularly from Hopper. It wasn't enough, by itself, to put me in the camp of "David Lynch was a genius", but I have put MUHOLLAND DRIVE and LOST HIGHWAY on my to-watch list, so it must've worked on me a little.

JamieWH

Lads, I can't tell you how happy I was to see this appear in my feed on Sunday morning. I spent Saturday evening watching this show and all I could think watching it was 'man I need the boys on Michael and Us to see this but I don't have enough political capital to leverage them into watching this garbage'. I don't know if it was in the episodes you saw, but at one point our heroes arrest a dangerous leftwing activist in a bar and he's reading that classic radical and extremely dangerous text, Galbraith's 'The Affluent Society'.. Please please watch it to the end because whilst it is indeed very boring, the ending is absolutely bonkers. Love to you both from Scotland (from an Irishman), keep Micheal and Us-ing xo

Ciaran Colley

Gents, that was an inspiring interview, almost as inspiring as President De Niro's speech in the prestige drama you have reviewed. More celebrity guests please - even Michael and Us nation needs some razzle-dazzle now and again. Dustin Hoffman, Pierce Brosnan, Mel Gibson, Bradley Whitford - any of those stars would be most welcome. I reckon Will does a flawless Michael Caine

Jackson Ayres

A very enjoyable episode -- except this podcast needs to release its fixation with the MCU. It's not that pernicious, it's not that culturally powerful, and more generally I think there's a bad treatment of the superhero genre here. The conversation's detour from Netflix to MCU seemed unnecessary & unproductive to me. Just my two cents! And, again, otherwise a fun episode. As a longtime listener, I enjoyed the check-in with Garfield Eats.

Gareth Hedges

Is there a link to this backbench podcast Luke appeared on?

Reagan Jones

You guys are simply not ready for the episode 6 reveal of who is actually behind the attack.

ellie

the Netflix article was captivating; I appreciate you linking the articles you mention!

J. Stephen

Michael and Us needs to watch this show to the end to truly appreciate the cultural moment it is describing. Please stick with it!!

Graeme Pente
>>166551765

I checked out this show (on my Apple podcast feed) after he mentioned it. Luke's episode went up yesterday!

Bilbro T. Baggins

Watching this with my parents, can't bring myself to even enjoy it ironically.