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#605 - Fahrenheit 5/11 (Newsroom Part 7) (Patreon)

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2025-03-10 22:07:38
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We finally arrive at the legendary Bin Laden episode of THE NEWSROOM ("5/11") and discover that surrounding that iconic clip on the airplane is Aaron Sorkin's most revealing meditation yet on what he thinks journalism should be.

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Swaggypeepaw

This is an amazing episode of Micheal and Us! For more amazing episodes, please call Luke and Will directly at 555 430-6969 and they will share their insights about Woody Allen, Aaron Sorkin, and pornography for the low cost of 6.99 a minute

Blank

Lmao Sloan on deepthroat as a sacred pseudonym 🔥 didn’t expect that

David

One of your best episodes since the last time I said that which was some time last year. Sorkin is brown gold.

Sean

As a Yank who was in college in DC when Bin Laden got offed, I can say that (at least here) it was a semi-big deal. It was also extremely weird and a bunch of drunk kids ran down to the White House to celebrate. However, more importantly, I want to draw Will and Luke's attention to this clip of John Kerry discussing the assassination of Osama Bin Laden at the 2012 DNC. https://youtu.be/hSqcETQ74Mg?si=0Jmv4Yhoqvwsa7zc&t=289

Sean
>>167368932

For anyone curious, in lobbying for Obama's reelection he asks aloud, "Ask Osama bin Laden if he's better off now than he was 4 years ago."

Sean
>>167368932

Close second is Joe Biden's refrain, "General Motors is alive and Osama bin Laden is dead!"

John Valley
>>167368932

Yeah I’m Canadian and I still remember where/when I was. Phone was blowing up and everything. Was always one of those big historical days to me but maybe i’m an outlier.

Kainien Morel

As I can already see Americans (and other expats in America) attest, yes, Bin Laden's killing was a big deal, and I'm not too surprised that a pair of Canadian lads of roughly the same generation might've overlooked it. Though I wouldn't frame it as a "Where were you, when I composed this dumb country music song, Nine-Eleven..." type event, at least where I was (roughly 1400 km from New York City, in what was still a pretty comfortably Republican state). I was still in grad school at the time, and it was closer to a collective hate-release, at least among those who expressed an opinion at all; I will say, not for me personally, as it had long since fallen out of my mind, but I remember learning about it while playing the online beta for the video game 'WORLD OF TANKS'. Beyond said hate-release, the negative response I did encounter at the time, rare as it was, took the form of, "Well, great, that pretty much hands 2012 to Obama," among the handful of conservatives I might interact with. I wouldn't claim it was a prevalent opinion (more people were probably of the mind of John Cena and the Rock), but it was hard to fault their logic--as the particularly witty line of the day went, "GM Alive, Bin Laden Dead, Four More Years."

Joe Schmoe

Luke that rant was spot on. “Beneath contempt” “barnacles on the corpse of shorism” 😂 bars

Ciaran Colley

Thank you for the thumbnail - a perfect representation of my response today when my wife asked me what was new on my Patreon feed

Kramer O'Neill

Jonathan Richman is surprisingly good for a Sorkin fave tbh.

Iain
>>167397980

Wait - I was also going to say this, but then I listened back and Luke said Jonathan Edwards. I guess we were both part of a collective delusion!

Nate

Unironically love Maoist Will

Podcast subscriber 78

I’ve seen every episode of the Newsroom and don’t recall whether “You lie!” is actually referenced at any point. However, it Absolutely suffuses every minute of this show and is part of the subtext of every scene in one way or another. I also can confirm the full names of the characters are: Office Jim Don (other Jim) Jeff Newsroom Maggie-Pam (aka Pam-Maggie) Olivia Munn Jane Fonda Jane Fonda’s son who went to Harvard Sam Waterston Tobey Flenderson in that one episode where he comes on and explains climate change

James Browning

If Aaron Sorkin is ever on one of the flights I'm working, I'll tell him this episode of The Newsroom resonated with me and was powerful. Doing that with a straight face might not be possible. I'll also tell him he needs to bring back Studio sucky. Thank you for watching all these terrible shows so we the Michael and Us Nation don't have to. You guys are the real troops and we salute you🫡

Brad MacDonald

I suggest everyone go check out Esquire’s top-50 HBO series of all-time. The Newsroom sure is in an interesting spot (26!!!!!).

Timothy O'Connor

Goddamnit, did you guys really need to play that McAvoy 'we got ’im' clip? A low-key Canadian rendition would’ve done the trick. I mean, I was just standing in my kitchen—here in God’s blessed land—loading the dishwasher after dinner, smirking at Aaron Sorkin’s expense, feeling pretty darn good. Then that damn clip came on, and next thing I know, my lips are trembling, my eyes are all scrunched, and this ugly, grunty sob comes out of nowhere, filling the space that laughter once called 'home.'...He got me, guys. He got me and I'm all messed up about it and that's all there is to it. Luckily, I'm currently recovering from a concussion and I'm holding that circumstance responsible for this shameful and confusing display of emotion.

Anthony Cabrera

I just wanted to mention that the bit about using your phone on the plane is a recurring bit for Sorkin because he used that for the pilot episode of The West Wing. It was his first use of “spoken repartee” between Rob Lowe and some woman, so he’s reusing the classics, I guess.

Paul Brewer

The discussion on the Third Way strategy for Democrat Victory came at a bad time for me. About a week ago I listened to the episode on FAHRENHEIT 11/9 and heard you two commenting on how the Democrats would have to take into account the emerging 'new left' of the party in the future. While I think some of the Biden administration's plans did reflect that, I get no sense now that the Democrats are thinking of anything yet another attempt to appeal to GOP defectors, on the basis that Harris was some kind of 'radical liberal' candidate. I've got to a point where I'm thinking long-term of going back to Blighty, as Sir Keith's government -- bad as it is -- seems to be better than anything I'm likely to find in the US anytime soon. (Of course, one also has to weigh the likely outcome of the 2029 general election. I'm too old to think much about elections beyond that.) One of the joys of being in Waterloo at the time of Osama's killing was that I didn't really notice it had happened. It was so nice to live outside the American political noise bubble, but still be close enough to drive over the border to visit my mother and brother in Michigan. Couldn't do that from England.