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#613 - The Paucity of Hope (Patreon)

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2025-04-08 14:15:47
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In the summer of 2016, with a guaranteed Hillary Clinton presidency was on the horizon, the Obama Era enjoyed a premature victory-lap with SOUTHSIDE WITH YOU (2016). Seen nine years later, this Sundance drama about the Obamas' first date has, shall we say, aged poorly. PLUS: Did you know that Elon Musk's family has a (very racist) Canadian connection?

"The Canadian roots of Elon Musk's conspiracist grandpa" by Geoff Leo - https://www.cbc.ca/newsinteractives/features/joshua-haldeman-elon-musk-saskatchewan-tech-utopian-conspiracist

"The Obamanauts" by Corey Robin - https://www.dissentmagazine.org/article/the-obamanauts/

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Geri Danton

The movie about a couple I'd like to see instead of this one is one of a couple in Afghanistan about to get married that then gets their wedding struck by one of Obama's drone strikes. Maybe there could be a subplot following a first responder who then gets hit by the double tap.

Jeremy Hawkins

It is genuinely so impressive that post Ferguson the liberal elite were able to effortlessly channel the call for racial justice into having conversations about Ivy League Schools and elite law firms. Loved the episode. and yeah it's funny that there was hesitation about doing this episode out of fear that this movie was of it's moment and trapped in amber. This is Michael and Us!

Marshall Steinbaum

There’s a monument on 53rd street in Hyde Park, Chicago memorializing the precise location where this kiss took place.

Kramer O'Neill

There should be an award for ending a cold open with such spectacular timing.

Marc Catapano

FWIW, Adolph Reed Jr is NOT a fan of Do the Right Thing.

Chris Sherman
>>170387811

I live one block from it. It’s made up for in that I live on a street that has been named Honorary Chaka Khan Way.

Oliver Elliott

I recall a certain kind of liberal asking who would be the Democratic Trump, the subtext being that Democrats would never go for such a person. But it’s Obama. A fundamentally fraudulent, cynical narcissist who’s only really in it for fame and adoration. Sure, Obama’s not as personally morally noxious, but he fills the same space for liberals as Trump does for the right. People always make fun of it, but you do have to hand it to her: Palin nailed Obama with the “hopey, changey thing” comment. None of the rhetoric means anything, just empty words that you can fill in with anything.

Oliver Elliott
>>170406034

Is there a place to hear/read his take? I’ve never really liked the movie for reasons I can’t quite articulate, and I wonder if he can clarify it for me.

Oliver Elliott
>>170406034

I think it’s that everyone in the movie other than Mookie and Sal strike me as ridiculous stereotypes, but their actions are also presumably supposed to illuminate something about the condition of real ordinary people. I don’t know, it just seems like there’s a disjunction somewhere in there. Doesn’t help that I don’t like Lee’s style that much.

Son of El Topo

I believe TrueAnon did a deep dive on the Musk family and the wacky political movements his grandparents were in. Definitely worth a listen

Mid-Sized SeDan

I won't go to bat for Barry too hard now, but at the time I thought it was much better than this. As I remember it, it treats Barack Obama as a biracial young man trying to figure out his identity, versus this treating him as The Anointed One. Is it compelling without the knowledge of who he'd become? No idea now, but I was in a much different headspace ten years ago. ... Damn, ten years ago. Luke said four years and I thought "UHM ACHSHUALLY IT WAS SIX YEARS". And it was almost a full decade instead.

Laura Frey

Great episode as always, but mostly wanted to thank you for making me read the article about Elon's grandpa. I saw the headline and thought, big deal, but this is actually one of the craziest things I've read in a while!! I'm sorry you had to (re)watch this very bad movie.

Nate

If Republicans made a similar movie next year about Trump's early business career it would (rightly) be viewed by liberals as deifying propaganda but they are unable to recognize their own cultural slop as the same