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#620 - Creation In Pectore (Patreon)

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sinesynced

Maybe a pedantic point, but I've never understood the liberal equation of conviction with intolerance. Believing strongly in something doesn't imply that you think it's impossible for you to be wrong, and, more importantly, being suspicious of strong beliefs is itself a far more repressive attitude than simply believing in something in the first place

Sean

As an ignorant American hearing like run through the unforgettable electoral blowouts of Canadian history sounds like someone doing world building for a new Star Wars franchise.

Sean

As an ignorant American hearing like run through the unforgettable electoral blowouts of Canadian history sounds like someone doing world building for a new Star Wars franchise.

Matthew Duhamel

Perfect example of a myopic cultural diet clouding your ability to see the things around you clearly. I watched this film with my Brazilian girlfriend and her read on the film couldn't be more different. The Cardinal picked at the end is not a centrist figure. They are a transcending figure that actually showcases the failures of centrist planning. Thomas is barely hanging on, hopelessly losing control, and coming to accept a future without hope only ambition (with him as Pope) when the literal hand of God (fate) steps in to change the minds of everyone. Unless the past Pope planned the bombings it shows even the master chess player cannot change the board itself. My read on the film is much more succinct: when man makes plans, God laughs.

Gabriel Flynn

Good to get some Northern representation in the outro song after the scandalous rejection of 24 Hour Party People at the ballot box

Blank

Re midbrow, I’m curious what kinds of recent films you’d categorize as high brow? Is high brow more or less synonymous with art film/are most high brow films art films?

Dan

The "friendworker" thing was too real.

sinesynced
>>172893524

Yeah I was kind of surprised to hear the term middlebrow used in a non-pejorative sense. I always thought the term was essentially pejorative

piranhaplant
>>172926030

A third patreon tier that grants access to AI-powered Luke and Will friendbots. Luke bot talks about the end of history, and Will bot just hallucinates gay porn recommendations.

Neil C

Am I missing something or did this movie end on a pro-TERF position (a sin to change the body God gave me)?

Michael and Us
>>172834709

I completely agree. In the US context anyway it might be a holdover from the Cold War, in that it's rooted in a fear that "conviction" either leads to the gas chamber or the gulag (whether people realize this is what they're channeling or not). But it's absurd regardless, and I've always found the tick particularly repellent when being directed at the young by older people who've lived comparatively comfortable, secure lives and think it's scary others have the conviction to demand the same. - L

Neil C

I hope that the movie is viewed in a positive progressive woke stance-just reacting to the exact words “It seemed to me more of a sin to change his handiwork than to leave my body as it was. I am what God made me”. Such words don’t seem to promote bodily autonomy and could easily be co-opted by the anti-Trans crowd.

Butterfielda

I think the ‘Know Your Enemy’ podcast is trying to annex Michael and Us’s territory. First they do an ‘At the Movies’ episode discussing the Reagan biopic starring Dennis Quaid, now they’ve just put out an episode on Conclave. They’re no better than Trump at this point ;)