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#626 - Metaquest (w/ Wendy Liu) (Patreon)

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2025-05-29 01:23:52
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Tyler M.

As someone who watched entirely too much TechTV in high school, let me just say that I never expected a Leo Laporte reference on Michael and Us.

Worf Worfstofferson, and I'm da Venari Ral

nobody who sees those AI-exalting billboards can actually purchase what they're advertising, so i guess we can take the ads as passive-aggressive threats to the working- and professional class ppl whom the AI companies are trying to replace.

TubiRocks

Worth noting this tech mindset that tells you you’re better than everyone else has now led to a series of cult murders.

Gabriel Flynn

Great episode, great guest, unforgivable outro track

Eric Dorman

It’s Aaron & Us now *Captain Phillips meme*

Ty Underwood

What I think is most interesting about this movie that I don't know if you mention is the character "Erica Allbright" (god what a name) is the most significant character who is completely fabricated. For most of the events of the movie, real life Zuck was happily dating his now wife! The invention of that particular kind of incel misogyny makes an entertaining movie, but I think it also speaks to how much Sorkin doesn't actually understand the ideology of silicon valley or Zuckerberg at all, and how he needs to bring it back to the specific kinds of interpersonal hatred of women that is his wheelhouse. In real life Zuck's motivations and ideologies are a lot more interesting than the resentment towards the rejection of a specific woman depicted in the movie.

Sean Wrona

The Facemash blog post was real and that's what the fake character of Erica Albright was based on, only the woman he actually wrote it about was Jessica Alona, so that doesn't seem to be quite as fabricated as people say it was. I wouldn't put that down to Sorkin sexism, but Mark and Eduardo's groupie dates (especially the one who set fire to Eduardo's scarf), absolutely. Those two characters are the worst part of the movie apart from the final line which I agree sucks. I think Sorkin hates tech so much (you forgot to mention how he wrote his Television without Pity haters into the West Wing canon, lol) that he intended all the characters to be unsympathetic and I'm wondering whether Fincher forced Sorkin to put that in because "you're not an asshole" doesn't sound like Sorkin to me. Although I loved The Social Network, I too found Steve Jobs unwatchable and that's exactly when I got off the Sorkin train. I unfortunately did like his TV shows, while simultaneously admitting that it was horrible that they influenced actual politics. I think he had a knack for understanding how Democratic-aligned politicians and newscasters act, without realizing that it's not a good thing... So I guess I have the Nathan J. Robinson take on it (https://www.currentaffairs.org/news/2020/10/what-happens-in-the-west-wing) - well-written but arguing for evil and not something you actually want to base your society on. I guess The Social Network has a little of that going on too - I can't believe anybody can watch that and that's what inspired them to get into tech, but people always say that on YouTube comments... I guess Sorkin is pretty much exactly the TV equivalent of Doonesbury. They're both almost entirely associated with their political content but they always seemed to be more interesting when they weren't writing about politics; their character interactions (with the exception of Sorkin's sexism) were always better than their explicitly political content. And I think Trudeau was actually an influence on Sorkin. Did you know that he stole the name Josh Lyman from Doonesbury? I'm not kidding: https://www.washingtonpost.com/doonesbury/strip/archive/1993/05/11

Coco C

Facebook is still called Facebook *on* Facebook… it’s not a rebrand of Facebook specifically like the rebranding of Twitter to X. It is a new name for the larger company that also owns Instagram and WhatsApp