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AMA Stream #61b [scheduled for tomorrow] (Patreon)

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2024-09-12 18:46:20
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Hi all,

I'm back in the US and will be doing the second half of AMA Stream #61 tomorrow, September 13, at 3:00 PM ET (earlier than usual because my brain is still on European time). The stream will likely run for several hours and will be archived here for those who miss it live. Questions are posted on a separate post (two posts ago here on Patreon) for $15+ Patrons.

Looking forward to chatting!

Natalie

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ContraPoints Patreon AMA Stream #61b

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Sasha

Cool, can’t wait! Does anyone know if this is the end of tangents of what’s happening with that?

Aderyn Albarelli

Ah yea! Hope my workload doesn't conflict too much, this time. Hope France was kind to you Also, is the long bread real? 😯

nichibei

Awesome Natalie! Are you taking new questions on that old post, or are you thinking you already have more than enough?

Paola Nicoll Alzuru Castillo

It's only for while she's doing this new main channel video. The work of doing tangents and a main channel video altogether is too much so that's why she's doing the AMAs, it's a little bit easier

pooperofbeds

I'm pretty sure she said she's pausing doing Tangents s she ca work on a main channe video, but don't quote me on that.

Evelynn

YIPPIEEE

highclass_lady

Oh my gosh! Also, would love to hear a bit about your Europe trip! 💝😍🎉 Hope you had an amazing time! ☀️👑🪞⚜️✨

highclass_lady

also, Patreon switched the order of the questions again, bottom to top top to bottom etc etc, you've already answered the questions in between Aislynn (Tangents) and alexander roberts (coke zero) but still have the questions outside of that section! hope this helps!

Andrea Schreiber

So for me that would be 21:00 Evening, or 9:00 pm ET, the ideal time for me, I'll then prepare the ginger chai latte. 🤷‍♀️

Ash Gabrielle

That's midnight where I am, so I'll be watching it when I wake up the next morning. Which is fine with me—just like old times when I lived on the east coast and these nocturnal streams were too late for me! :)

Maxwell Douglas Kinghorn

I was $15 a month for like 2 months but then decided to go back to $10 because the streams are always at 5am and it's not super exciting to see my question in a replay.

highclass_lady

So since Natalie has a birthday coming up & we don't know if she'll have time for another ContraPoints Live stream before then, I thought maybe I'd start on her birthday e-card early! Here's the link if you want to sign it! 🎉 The birthday card won't be sent to Natalie until her birthday! 🎂 https://www.groupgreeting.com/sign/d7940ff5257b242 I'll be moderating & safety-checking the card so if you have any questions just ask me!

SG

Are you still doing tangents?

Josh Reyes

First time tuning in live! Also there seems there's a consensus among everyone that it's nice to return to AMAs every once in a while, especially in the post-Tangent era. Maybe one AMA every year in lieu of a Tangent would be a good cadence? Or whenever Natalie needs to clear her mind of the hot takes too spicy for the Twitter mob.

Ann C

The behind-the-scenes videos are fun and I enjoy going back to watch the main video after watching them.

Templeton Ze Rat

Which emotional state for you is the hardest to attain while being the most sought after?

Bara

OMG - not sure if you’ve come across it, but The Secret Sun blog is the most insane paranoid anti-satanist rant.

Ezra

What are your thoughts on ‘twin flames’? Do you believe relationships like that exist?

Liz Jones

I don’t find behind-the-scenes videos interesting (when anyone does them, not specific to your channel). Post-video retrospectives are much more intriguing! Another idea would be a post-video AMA stream, with the AMA questions limited to only being directly about the video topic.

Aderyn Albarelli

The way you talked about vulnerability in the Twilight video is still rewiring my brain

doovde

whats the best way to counter someone claiming that race is the same as gender? if both are social constructs.. happy if you just point me to so literature. thanks

Stephen Woolford

Did you see alien romulus? If so, what did you think?My favourite is alien ressurection, I think it is very open to a query reading. If you want manga with a sapphic backrooms vibe read otherside Picnic.

soph

on the topic of "gender as duality," i think of gender in a sort of amateur-taoist way in which the masculine and feminine are not opposite ends of a binary, but are one concept constantly creating itself. so, the existence of the masculine creates the feminine and vice versa. perhaps it's a bit biblical as well, now that i think about it.

Cassidy Brinn

I'm so happy to live in this era of Natalie Wynn. I can't wait for the main channel video and don't care about behind the scenes and bloopers etc. The curated vision is more than enough and her time is valuable!

Cassidy Brinn

that is a cool idea! (the video specific AMA)

Billy

PLEASE do a video or tangent on UFOs

SuperMaria

Instead of a Patreon pause, could we get a Natalie!tangent instead of a normal tangent where you just talk about your takes on Hannibal? Or generally, you pick a topic (not us) you don't need to do much research for, if at all, and make a more opinion-driven, less scripted, shorter video? Getting to hear about whatever you're into and why you're into it would feel like a treat. I love your work a lot, it's really weird to hear you second guess yourself on whether your AMA answers make sense and the quality of previous tangents and everything else under the sun, because you are really not expected to blow our minds every time you open your mouth, you're allowed to have normal, non-brilliant takes and thoughts. Consistency in quantity of output or quality of output is a scam!!!1!1!1 Also I don't mean to be snarky but you can just sip tea in silence for 10 seconds and you'll still be more articulate and just better than most other video essayists out there hehehe. Thank you for the time and effort you put into this stream, appreciate it to no end <3

Cassidy Brinn

The protestants are wrong! Hyper-productivity is neither morally nor socially valuable. I guess there must be idiots out there pestering you for more content and leaving mean comments on vacation pictures? 😿 but please ignore them

Cassidy Brinn

Consistency is a scam! Love that

lotusmaglite

I saw "The Cook, The Thief, His Wife, and Her Lover" in the early 1990s, because I'm old as fuck. I've had 30-odd years to digest it (pun intended), and I'm still not sure I have. Fantastic movie. Another lost treasure (IMHO) is 1995's "Jeffrey," a romantic comedy about a kinda self-centered asshole trying to hide from love during the whole 90s AIDS epidemic/cultural struggle within and without the LGBTQ+ community, and Sir Patrick Stewart happily announces that Angelique is going to remove her penis, which is peak 90s queer joy.

lotusmaglite

I, too, struggled with a voice. As a bi man of a certain age, I was for many years too gay for the straight world and too straight for the gay world. So, I switched between a "straight voice" and a "gay voice," the latter of which made me self-conscious, as if I were mocking the people who forced me to adopt that voice to begin with, because they didn't accept me as me.

Tyla Stark

Alert: nerdiest opiate user found 😂😂😂 love your steams, and thank you for your willingness to talk about addiction openly, I joke, but it is very important I think.

Tyla Stark

I think retrospectives on videos as bonus content is a great idea

Noah Rouse

On quitting straight people: I actually have experienced this as a neurodivergent person with ADHD and maybe some ‘tism. Also, maybe just being an artist. I used to think the world was my oyster, and sure, I do okay if I’m just at a party and hooking up with someone. But if I’m looking for a long term partner, I’ve realized I can really only date neurodivergent people. If I try to date neurotypical people, I’m just not appreciated. And especially the older I get, it is clear that most people see being an artist as a red flag lmao.

Noah Rouse

It’s been sad, but also, extremely liberating.

Eleanor

If you did do a live AMA, I also live near FSU in Tallahassee and upvote that location

highclass_lady

Oh my gosh Natalie your Versailles Pictures! 😍🪞⚜️✨ You absolutely slayed! So glad you had a good time! 🎉 And thank you so much for sharing them!

susan tiss

The Cook, The Thief, His Wife, and Her Lover! I haven't seen it in years and it remains one of my favorites!

Derick Gadd

When you mention a "behind the scenes" benefit you're talking about it mostly in terms of videography stuff, but I think what people would be more interested in is the journey you went through intellectually with the video. What inspired it above all others, where did your research start, did it go in the direction you expected or did you go down a rabbit hole which completely changed the final video, etc. I think your mention of tangents coming out of "spillover research" from main channel videos kind of fills this niche to some degree though. Although I'd also be super interested in BTS stuff about set/costume design when it applies.

pjkc

Come check out Toronto! Lived there for 11 years, can't recommend highly enough -- such great food and an amazing waterfront + parks system. Plus, the AGO and ROM are pretty sick

joshua

I hear your struggles with wanting to do everything and not having the time toward the end of this live, but I personally would love to hear more harpsichord/piano stuff, along with the ramblings you post in the comments! I just graduated with my B.A. in Music (classical voice) and relate a lot to your feelings of inferiority while going through the process, so it made me feel better hearing that someone else felt the same way and came to terms with it in a productive way.

joshua

Also re Mozart, if you're looking for good Mozart singing, get a load of this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7qCgv-G8qA There's a lot of history behind the specific singing technique in use here by Mme Woodland that I won't get into but it's incredible! She also has an incredible queen of the night and has sung some beautiful Handel.

fryfry

It was fun hanging out with everyone on cyyyyberspaaaaaace

A.E. Kieren

Natalie, loved the question about Alan Moore, and would encourage you to get into his work, especially since the Twilight video brought up for me his essay 20,000 Years of Erotic Freedom, and his lesser known graphic novel work Lost Girls, which pushes every possible envelope of erotic taboo. By all means borrow my copies of both works if curious

Mirabai D

hey natalie! i’d honestly prefer a retrospective analysis/followup video to accompany an already-published main channel work. i love when people rant about their own shit, and it always makes me appreciate the work more. that reads sarcastic i mean that extremely genuinely

Angie B

The royal opera house in London is doing the ring cycle right now! They started last year

Narcissa Deville

I would love to see a retrospective on some of your videos. I really will enjoy any of your Patreon content that works for you.

Amelia Anne

i’ll be in Bethesda MD for a month starting october 8… when were you thinking?

Dorothy's Friend

postmortems are widely used for learning and improving. i think that is a good idea instead of a how it was made.

SG

I LOVE the ideas you came up with for reacting to videos after you've posted them

HaYdN

You might enjoy The Singing Detective by Dennis Potter if you enjoyed Michael Gambon in TCTTHW&HL. It's 80s BBC telly so a bit dated now but a great performance.

Ilana Galpert

I love "shame" and "are traps gay." i also love newer videos like "justice" and "twilight" and "envy." the ones i've watched the most are "cancelling" and "cringe," which i think are part of the era of vulnerability you're talking about. Cringe has to be my favorite, though, it feels like a transition from your more vulnerable content to your more audience-focused content, and i think it hits a perfect sweet spot, at least for me

Zindagigi

To the person who asked about Audrey Tang, I'm curious to know if you have any familiarity with groups working with pol.is software or doing similar stuff in the US or elsewhere. Also, have you heard of Collective Wisdom/Co-Intelligence and the work of Tom Atlee?

Christopher

Just because it came up in multiple questions here: I’m a guy who has a lot of weird baggage bound up in “wanting to feel desired” and “preoccupation with one’s own body” who somehow managed not to ever be an incel lol. “Twilight” helped me fundamentally re-conceptualize my sexuality, and I think you do an incredible service just by being one of the very few people online who can talk about this issue intelligibly (that is, neither completely ignoring it nor falling into a pity party circle jerk about it)

Albertyna Varga

Did I misunderstand something or did Contra call Africa a country when talking about languages/french. Cackled at this

Djcm

Good stream

highclass_lady

I think Natalie was just refrencing that there are 29 French-speaking countries in Africa, of which 21 have French as one of their official languages!

Chazie

I have a lot to comment on since this is such a long and dense stream but I'll keep it short lol, I appreciate the horribly disturbing movie recommendations, if you're ever in Paris again around september check out the Etrange Festival which is specifically centered on horribly disturbing movies <3 I might be mistaken but I feel like being friends with real people and less with other youtubers might be one of the reasons why your videos don't have quotes read by fellow youtubers anymore, tbh I think it got out of hand as a practice and actually ended up being more distracting than helpful in a lot of cases. I really enjoyed that the quotes in "twilight" were read by you, it flows much better with the rest the the video and I was actually listening to the quotes and not going "omg is that hbomberguy"

Marinousky

Austin is doing the ring cycle this year I think

Nel Meyrink

Video retrospectives would be amazing! I would much prefer that to behind the scenes videos. :)

Sam Johnson

omg you have to get in the zotero game to generate bibliographies automatically <33 saved my life

Helen D

Fantastic AMA

Nel Meyrink

The translation of the DDJ that you quoted in your spirituality tangent is pretty removed from Chinese cultural context, but the original and more faithful translations are much more culturally specific. The translation you read from is actually a very zen-ified version of the DDJ, so I think you'd possibly connect really well to Zen buddhism if you got into it. No direct relationship with a teacher required; zen welcomes dabbling.

Emily McNally

If you're in NYC in the fall I highly highly recommend the musical "Teeth"! Based on the cult horror film of the same name, it's super campy and fun and the music is so good. I think you'd have a blast.

bluebestfriend

Hereditary gets attention because it's simple. Simple is fine, but I think people try to pass it off as complexly horrifying. It's not lol. I still don't understand why tops horror lists.

Keeb Bard

it's simple to You*

bluebestfriend

it's my comment Keeb. the film being simple to me is an implication that doesn't need to be said.

sammy

what's the link plsss

sammy

Thank you so much!! Signed

UponaWhim

I think you should stick with content that brings you joy. If you’re offering Patreon bonuses, and the bonus is something that’s causing you stress, change it to something that is fun for you. Something that doesn’t feel like work. If that means retrospective, that would be lovely. If that means bloopers, that would be funny. Whatever feels natural for you. We come here for your authenticity, so just be yourself. We’ll love you for it. 💜 For the bibliography, maybe just have a notes file where you jot down the basics (title, author), and then throw that in the description when you publish. don’t worry about formatting. I know some artists synch each source reference up to the relevant part of the video, and that’s nice, but it is a lot of editing. The little things add up to a lot. If it’s getting in the way of you doing what you love, just throw them in the description.

KatyCon

You could never post anything on Patreon and I’d still subscribe bc I want to support your work!! The extras are just fun benefits (I LOVE the tangents but am always supportive of you taking a break from them to focus on other work). Also you deserve a vacation!!! Take three weeks next time!!

Ashton

I love the idea of retrospectives on videos

Ro the Lion

Blooper-reels are great for the parasocial vibes yk? So humanising, she's just like us fr fr.

TPK Games

Can someone explain the BlackRock conspiracy theories that I’m seeing more and more?

Bogo

Just speaking for myself, I’m happy for you not to pause Patreon when you can’t get content out that month, taking a break is perfectly reasonable.

Simi Parquette

I feel like the tangents alone are well worth the money because of all the research you put into them. I don’t feel the need for additional content but I would watch retrospectives or BTS if you posted it

highclass_lady

I've been thinking a lot about hope. Because something I was told that was very helpful to me when I was an adolescent was "live in the present moment, BUT if the moment you're in (is 1 of misery &) is not a moment you want to be living in, while then there's hope." I've been thinking about that advice because this election feels uniquely antithetical to hope, like somehow hope, especially larger scale big picture hope feels to my rational brain like a mix of denial, minimizing, ignorance, naivety, or dismissal. I feel like I'd be acting like an annoying, insensitive privileged a-hole telling people to have hope when I'm not one of the most vulnerable in this situation, because there's something sharply inconsiderate about that. But having & creating hope is not all or nothing. It's not only applicable in one way or universal to every situation, there are versions of hope that can be applied to realistic places, or in realistic ways. Hope is not an excuse or a blanket to throw over something to deny the suffering of others for your own comfort &/or the comfort of those who benefit from a situation or status quo that is or will be worse for those who suffer. We've all been let down in disparagingly traumatizing ways, in the realization that the values & protections that help create a safer, kinder, more ethical & less exploitative world were blatantly looked past or audaciously voted against. It's knowing that they want to take away who we are. That feels traumatizingly antithetical l to hope. But when talking to a friend I've known since we were children, I was reminded that hope is not the same thing as trying. Not always. And hope is not the only reason to try or to keep going. I told her "it's okay that we had hope, it was better to try. And trying doesn't stop just because things have gone this badly. If anything, a new type of trying starts now. We create our own reasons to keep going, even in the absence of hope." I told her (my friend) what I did because she had reached out to me in a very dark & serious way, & although I also encouraged her to seek professional help, I wanted her to know that I understood the grimness of the situation & that the pieces of optimism we can choose to hold on to in carrying through isn't coming from a place of denial but of resilience. Resilience is a form of resistance that's rooted in survival. In times like these we create our own reasons to keep going, even when the right now & "very soon" future feels bleak & the "someday future" feels so far away, but one way we resist is to keep going. I've been near the bottom, trust me, & I promise you that even if it's not realistic to change your situation right now, there may still come a day when you'll be able to build a beautiful life even after all you've been through. So do your best not to burn out, to preserve all the goodness & potential that is still in you, because keeping going is part of resistance, it's part of creating moments in the midst of a storm. Even if you don't feel some grandeur of hope in any given moment, or only feel hope about smaller more temporary bits & pieces rather than the big picture as a whole, sustainably keeping going, trying, is how we create those moments that we make meaningful & beautiful. We create our own meanings, even when, especially when our feelings & versions of hope at times evolve & transform. And one of the many forums of resistance, one of the many reasons to fight on & keep going, is all the good they can't stop us from, all the good that we can do. Even if it's not right at this moment, even if it's not all at once, even though it may often be a little at a time. Hope is wonderful but part of hope is also still a feeling, so sometimes even hope is vulnerable to the same seeming fleetingness as other feelings. And we resist not just because of how we feel but because of what we care about & who we love. So we resist by keeping on going, especially in the midst of hardship, because keeping on going is part of how we can do all the good we can do. And who you are is worth it all on it's own. This is the anti-capitalist in me so bare with me & listen: you are inherently valuable not just for what you can do, but because you are. In other words, keep going also because you are valuable, regardless of what you can do or if you feel you are in any given moment. So that's 2 more reasons to keep going. And you can only keep counting & creating reasons & moments if you keep going. So keep counting.

Jarkko Kinnunen

What you said about Easter was completely fine! There exists a false etymology associating it with Mesopotamian Ishtar instead of just Germanic Eostre, and that circulates in the granola fascist communities every year, and you're probably confusing the debunking of that with debunking any association with a fertility goddess.

Nikola

these two women are the same woman is veeery spot on after watching the Substance :D

Noel S

To bigots, quote Toni Morrison: "If you can only feel tall when others are on their knees, you have a very, VERY serious problem. And YOU need to figure out what YOU are going to do about it. Leave the rest of us out of it."

Noel S

Rilke, Letters to a Young Poet, also Vonnegut lectures on YouTube

Skillz McToots

It's called thought leadership and you have it in spades, girl <3

Rose Dombegh

Via making content as a gift to the audience -- I really felt this in the Twighlight video. For me, your theory of the erotic (tension & release) and how you related it to philosophy and classical music has unlocked my understanding of Audre Lord (always a good thing lol) and given me a new perspective on my own relationship to learning. Theres a certain *zing* in my mind when I somehow frame contrasting ideas to be cohesive or fit an argument into itself in a just-right way, and I think it's that tension and release that's propelled my thinking and scholarship. Recognizing this has helped me more clearly evaluate my pursuits and my sanity. So, thank you!

Chrombus

Natalie, if you're looking for a fiction book you might like that talks about the rush of rising to youtube fame and who you're making your content for and all that, you should absolutely check out Hank Green's science fiction novels. They are some of my favourite books for sure.

Nahema Borrel

I am happy that you can take vacations, it is important...in France it is called "congés payés" social rights that we have since 1936. Today we have 5 weeks of vacations per year (if not an Independent worker). So i know it is a lot compared to the others countries. On my side, i am happy with that system, no problem. I will be happy to keep my patreon open.

XYA|6782

I love behind the scenes videos !!!! 😭