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Gamergate Tangent Back Online (Patreon)

Published:
2023-09-06 21:39:47
Imported:
2026-06

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Hi all—good news!

I've successfully appealed YouTube's removal of the Gamergate Tangent, which was taken down for "harassment and bullying" after bad-faith flagging by, I can only assume, Gamergate supporters.

I have decided to age restrict the Tangent (like I did with the psychedelics one) to help prevent future flagging. So you'll have to log in to YouTube to watch it. I hope that's not too inconvenient.

If I were ever to refine this Tangent into a main channel video (which seems appealing at the moment), I would have to be much more cautious about showing examples of harassing messages, and generally with using non-euphemistic language. Because, as we've learned, Gamergate continues to be one of the most vindictive and pathetically online movements out there. They complain that feminist criticism is somehow "censoring" games at the same time they organize boycotting, flagging, and harassment campaigns to silence anyone who disagrees with them.

Unfortunately YouTube's flagging system has always been vulnerable to this type of abuse. An hour of video gets uploaded to YouTube every second, so you can imagine the moderators do not have a lot of time to spend reviewing the context for each flagged video. False positives happen. In 2016 I had a video called "Why White Nationalists Are Wrong" or something like that taken down. It was flagged and removed for violating YouTube's hate speech rules, presumably because it showed hate symbols onscreen or didn't censor the word "N*zi." Meanwhile, actually bigoted videos don't get taken down because the bigots know to use dogwhistles. And they're so gleeful about false-flagging anti-fascist videos—"I thought you wanted more censorship online! I guess karma's a bitch!" So I've been blurring swastikas and generally being very careful with de-contextualizable quotations ever since. I need to be more cautious with the Tangents too it seems.

Anyway, here's the link to the restored Tangent: https://youtu.be/N8EqmExn1No

Thanks again for your patience and support!

Natalie

Comments

Prutt

Yay!

M. A.

Awesome. Classic Natalie W.

Michael Layer

Thanks Natalie! This video was so good btw

Agusto

Thanks Natalie!

Frostfalls

Thanks for persisting through the bullshit

Frankie

Main channel video on this would be a great idea, as this incident seems to prove there are still a lot of people who really, really want everybody to forget about this

silybun

yay ٩( ๑╹ ꇴ╹)۶

Nathaniel Gallup

Thank you so much for all your hard work! Can’t wait to watch this!!

Cat Cannon

One thing that I must say about your work--it has made me such a better arguer for my cause. I used to just state my cause, be rebuked with some dogshit badfaith response, and break down in tears. Now, after years of imbibing your content, I feel confident addressing any of the issues you covered with poise and the facts to back it up. I recently made friends with a terf (don't worry, I feel huge amounts of moral ickiness about it) but I've politely and humorously argued her into a corner more than once. I'm not naive enough to think that'll change her worldview, but damn it felt good.

patroclus

Why not just dump on a different service that doesn't censor anything? Or troll the shit out of them and put your info on the "Intellectual Dark Web" where they literally can't censor it without looking like assholes

Willla Cohn

I love the tangents! Don't get discouraged and don't stress too much about censoring yourself for the hate groups. Maybe vimeo or nebula would be a better host 🤔

Frostfalls

when the gamergaters streisand effect themselves

Mara Montuori

So glad the video is back online! I wasn't able to watch it before it got flagged and taken down, so I'm looking forward to watching it now. Y'know, I had been thinking that coverage of the topic of Gamergate so rarely comes from a woman's perspective, I think the only other major videos in breadtube on gamergate are by Folding Ideas & Innuendo Studios, who offer good insight but naturally lack a female perspective on the issue so I'm very excited to watch this. Glad you got it restored.

Matthew Mendenhall

OMG congrats Queen! 😭❤️ I would love to see this become a main channel vid. I think it really suits your most recent departure from the ideological and political middle to fight cultural reactionary politics. I also think this topic of games remains tied to your commitment to aesthetics, art, and criticism (which is where I fell in love with your content and ideas in the first place).

Emma

so glad it's back up but can you upload it outside YouTube or not age restricted? like seriously love ur patreon content but it'd be nice to have it somewhere I can actually access it

Jacob Gill

Keep it going queen, we’re all here for you! don’t let your motivation take a hit :)

patroclus

Have you considered hosting these videos through torrents? We pay to see your tangents. Why not just let us own/download them like if we were to buy a book of essays from you? Or post the full transcript on your website or here on patreon to download?

Jonas

A truly pathetic battle on which to have to celebrate a victory.

You_With_The_Face

Glad it's back up! You did a great job with the video, and I'm glad you're fighting back against the obvious trolls. And hey, if this becomes a main channel thing, all the better!

Tasha

You'd think people had something better to do with their lives - apparently not.

Greg Kemble

I was able to see it the first time around, so I'm very pleased others will be able to see it now. I'm also a bit curious how an unlisted video got so much harassing attention. Very sad.

Alex T

Glad the appeal worked. As someone who works in “trust and safety” at a (fairly large but mostly benign) tech company, I think your commentary on the right’s abuse tactics of these platforms is really interesting. Content moderation and the way it’s exploited on major platforms could be an interesting tangent I feel. Thanks for your amazingly high quality work as always.

Kate Kater

Call that a Natalie win.

Ben H

The fact that Gamergate is still active and false flagging videos about them is simultaneously the saddest and funniest thing I've seen. I'm sorry, it must be annoying to deal with directly but when the video was flagged, it was so absurd I couldn't help but laugh.

Mikel

You ate that!

Jonquil Studios

If I was higher tier pledge I'd vote for this as a tangent topic. I think it's truly challenging.

Declan

The world don't deserve your hard work! Thank you

Ted(dy)

WE WON!!!!!!!!!

Jessica Cheeri

Good to see the video is back, wish you didn't still have to prepare for brigading on this subject in 2023

Andee Blacksugar

Great news, I'm looking forward to the video. Curious, have you considered uploading directly to Patreon? It seems a far less troublesome platform, flagging-wise, than Youtube.

highclass_lady

Natalie Wynn resilience appreciation comment 💝 Seriously, I admire your work so much & your poise & integrity in flighting the good fight, even when, well, especially when it shouldn't have to be a fight at all. I know this is nothing new to say but seriously you do so much good in this world & your work has such an incredible impact. I don't think people get to pick every battle faced in life, & I'm grateful for however much you can protect yourself when you can, but girl, what you bring to the field, & your artillery of facts & logic too, now that's what I'd call a win 💖 🥳

Ren

If you decide to adapt it for the main channel, there are SO many people I will recommend it to!

IgnisXIII

Excellent! Thanks for not giving up 💪🏻✨

Luigi Cree

Terrific news! Well done!

Natty Soltesz

You should definitely re-do tangents as main channel videos!

CoffeePoints

I will personally bully everyone who is a gamer gater in retaliation for this 😾

SarahKeith

“I were ever to refine this Tangent into a main channel video” <— fucking do it!!!!

Beverly Trafton

I think converting this tangent into a main channel video would be especially delicious!!! Congrats on escaping YouTube jail!

Jacob Yeavello

It's very interesting they would take exception to even this, a bonus video locked behind a pay wall. Honestly I'm just so surprised they would feel like acting at all. I can see why polishing this into a MC vid is appealing. It's got my vote. If they are so insistent on letting us know they are ashamed then drag them to the stocks.

Lars Overdale

This is great news! It’s a shame that it had to come to this, but kudos for never backing down! You’re a lot braver than me lol (I mean, being publicly trans alone is in itself a brave act, really)

CrystalJade

Fuck the symbolic order and the false platitudes of the multinationals!

Amy Gleixner

Question! A person I know always cites something about "didn't even play the game" or "pulled screenshots from someone else" and I usually ignore because i have no patience. But is that argument included in the bottom of that pyramid? That feels like a subset of "but ethics!" (Edited to add: i just got to part 5 so you may have answered that... I'll wait lol)

Anne Berry

You should put the video on the main channel. Next year will be the “official” ten year anniversary. I will be interested to see if lots of creators join the bandwagon doing retrospectives on Gamergate (or maybe yours could kick it off!). Honestly, one of your best videos in a while, which is saying something, because all your videos are so well done.

Madison

Thank you for continuing to wage war against these people. The world needs more humans like you ❤️

Scolipendra

I'm glad your video is back up!

Kargonius Gerankoli

Just watched it and it's actually kinda criminal that this is a patreon-only video - i think this is the first video where i fully understand what "Gamergate" was concretely supposed to mean, what it is etc. I've come into contact with so manyy of the points. With vague Anita Sarkeesian Hate that you could somehow only observe through gamergate-yters eyes- the way this campaign caused ripples in other languages notably my own and inspired and informed so many right-wing yters. They even picked their own localized Anita Sarkeesian!! I've never seen the whole picture before and it is the inciting incident for so many things that influenced my (sometimes kinda troubled) childhood growing up on youtube. Damn. I really have this problem with your yt collegues content that they will just assume this knowledge in the viewer - offer their opinion or very specific insight without context - which makes understanding what the issue was even about so hard. The personalities at the core of this are the critical information i've always been missing - because all the alt right content merely hints at it, and it's so incredibly hard to comprehend if you've not been obsessively following the drama - or joined the internet just a bit after that time. Ah well thanks. Tbh i think this should be a publically accessible resource since a lot of people have been touched by this neboulously defined event - and i think few actually know wth was going on. But i respect your decision to have it here instead

Madeline Wilson

Champion. Thank you for getting it back for us!

Iridiscent Iridium

Does anybody know if we can send "tips" or a backsheesh/ gratuity to creators (Natalie) for a particular video? Like if I really liked this can I send a $5 "thank you" or something???

Franco del Rosario

I’m so glad that it’s back online! Have always been fascinated by Gamergate and it’s weirdly big impact on culture, will check it out when I have time to sit down and watch it. I’m 100% sure it’s a banger video given your insight, rhetoric and experience. Random thought, but would “How hate groups abuse YouTube’s false flagging mechanisms and other social media algos” be an interesting topic for a video, if not too emotionally draining for you? (If couched in a lot of fun and creative euphemisms)

fae

victory!!!!! 💖

June

slay mother slay

Brayden Myers

girl fuck these neck beards that report your content. i love your videos and you have truly helped radicalize me❤️

Teaghan Young

Hooray!! Good thing I had already watched it twice before the musty gamer gate brigade made their pathetic attempt to get it taken down💕 watching it for a third time to celebrate 🎉

queerly beloved

This was so helpful!!! Thank you for creating and sharing this video. Before watching it, I didn't know anything about Gamergate, really, beyond the bare bones. So I learned a ton from watching this.

peter annear

Nice work Natalie. I'd be happy to support/help to fund whatever rejigging you would need to publish it publicly on youtube. No only does it contribute to our communal remembering but it would be a fine piece of karma for those who worked so hard to take it down...

Oliver Sartun

Usually at least on YouTube there's a "Super Thanks" (though YouTube keeps a big share of any money that is meant for creators). Here on Patreon, Idk if that exists

Chantal Sorrentino

Being forced to blur things and reword things (example, suicide becoming unaliving yourself) is really a form of censorship. The way youtube operates stifles free speech and makes it harder for people to talk about important matters. Youtube is a shit platform

Maria

I am now torn between leaving it for later to savor or watching asap in case YouTube screws up again

Josh Reyes

To be honest, I feel like age restricting the video limits its reach, which is exactly what gamergaters want. So it feels like they've won because you have to restrict the video simply to prevent them from banning it.

marie✿

If it's an unlisted video then does age restricting really affect the reach? Unlisted means inaccessible without a direct link doesn't it? Kind of also makes it sus that it got falsely reported too though. Someone who pays Natalie is reporting her content and/or sharing it with people who are reporting it. Please correcte me if I'm wrong about any of this. It's just my best understanding of the way unlisted videos work.

Abbi

So glad this got back up and we were able to watch it! It’s absolutely important that we don’t forget who was involved. Two weeks ago, Shoeonhead was on Breaking Points talking about how she has been “advocating” for men since 2014 (hmmm I wonder what else happened then), and she’s been “unfairly” called out as a pick me girl for it. I laughed and said she was definitely giving pick me energy on the show. I was sad to be confirmed in her grift by seeing her early involvement here; it makes me sick that she’s able to pretend she’s doing this out of care for our current economic precariousness and how it affects men when she sold her soul to be the queen of the losers.

TerryEnby

Thank you so much! Sharing with my eldest kid who is getting ready to study coding stuff at uni soon. Excited to help him understand history, and learn even more about the world via weird conspiracies etc! I want to comment on YT and say how great all your videos are. But I’m nonbinary and starting streaming soon, and honestly I’m trying to avoid being publicly hated before I am even publicly known! I realise the gross privilege that displays, and the anticipation that I will be known by more than 5 people… but still. Thank you for giving me the bravery to be online publicly, and the education to help me feel at least partly in control of my appearance! 💜

Jayemdee

Glad you were able to get the video back online! Sorry you had to put in all that extra effort, but thank you for doing so.

Josh Reyes

That is true, I guess I'm referring to if this were a main channel video. And maybe this an inconsequential thing, but even for paying Patreons, it's still one more login screen barrier that could potentially make someone put it off until later. But I know that's an extremely minor thing to bring up, the real issue is if it were a main channel video. If I had to guess, a gamergater saw on twitter that Contrapoints was making a video about the subject on Patreon, paid for a subscription to get access to the link, then posted it on 4chan or something.

Remour Ridgepath

I watched it when it was originally posted, but was so high on legal weed that I thought I didn't finish it, watching the new upload to the very end when it hit me that I just gave Natalie two full watches lmao

Lev

I can't watch your age restricted videos because I don't have a youtube account :(

Matthew Mendenhall

When her content was primarily trying to deradicalize the alt-right. I probably misspoke. Her content had a centrist agenda for years, in my opinion.

Kritzlof

Very interesting! I was a gamer at the time (and still am) but wasn't fully aware of gamergate as it happened although I was always annoyed with the misogynism of gaming culture. I actually watched Totalbiscuit and thought he represented a more sensible part of the culture, but it's clear that he still was a part of it and that he failed to realize what was really going on and distance himself from gamergate. I would like to believe that he would have realized his mistake if he were still around, but unfortunately he's now remembered just as one of the gamergaters.

Lev

I don't want to make a google account, I don't want to help them track what I am watching so I would need to log in and log out every time I wanted to watch one of your videos.

Lev

@contrapoints Would you consider hosting your videos in some way that allows any of your Patrons to watch them, without making a Google account?

Jenny Robins

The fact that the colours of gamergate are the same as the suffragette colours and also just one of the ugliest combinations of colours feels like a potent reminder of the absurdity of human symbolism.

Adequately Sized Dog

If you're going to do a follow up I would recommend looking more into the psychology of anti-social personality. Take a look at The Personality Puzzle 7th Edition and Abnormal Psychology 18th Edition

Barry

I really enjoyed watching this after seeing that upset dude on Twitter whose immersion was destroyed by pronouns. I thought about him when you said that bit about the Hugo awards.

Barry

Oh and actually can I get a breakdown of how much my donation goes towards drugs or general vice? Budgeting advice is always helpful.

sunlit_music

This is a fantastic video, and one of your best Tangents. Thanks so much for posting it! Anita Sarkeesian's Feminist Frequency videos are amazing, I used to watch them when I was younger. Her videos made such good points, it was ridiculous how Gamergaters thought she was overreacting. I really appreciate your analysis of the sexism and the racism in Gamergate.

Bara

First off - love this tangent, and all your work, and your fighting back fills me with hope and joy. Second - tangent idea - the noosphere?

Elsie Hupp

Speaking of Gamergate, Ye’s divorce from Kim Kardashian had really strong Eron Gjoni energy, no? Ethics in momfluencing! (Like, to be fair, I do think it’s not great that Kim Kardashian publishes so many photos of her kids—a problem that exists with most momfluencers—but Ye’s way of handling that issue was, uhhhhhhhhh…) (In other news, celebrities get off my lawn!)

Elsie Hupp

It would be interesting to see more general statistics on how much Americans spend on illicit drugs (perhaps broken down by tax bracket), but I don’t think the necessary information is forthcoming enough for statistical (rather than anecdotal) analysis.

Elsie Hupp

Waaaay back in like 2006 there was a prominent figure on Second Life*** who used a similar color scheme, but in her case it was part of a watermelon motif. If you tweak the Gamergate colors just enough that they’re watermelon colors, the color scheme is actually not bad! 🍉 ***I spent about 30s trying to Google her, but even if there are still, like, BlogSpot posts about her online, good luck finding them!

Elsie Hupp

I mean Patreon did IIRC just add first-party video hosting. The main issue for me personally is that YouTube has a TV app, and Patreon does not, so it would be necessary to post every video to both. (As far as YouTube tracking is concerned, I actually prefer targeted video recommendations, and I have YouTube Premium, so I don’t see ads, but also I avoid literally every other Google platform as much as possible, so my Google account is basically just for YouTube.)

Elsie Hupp

Regarding Google’s cross-site tracking: if you use the YouTube app rather than the website, it won’t share cookies between YouTube and other Google sites. And if you use Firefox instead of Chrome (with the privacy settings dialed up to the max) and DuckDuckGo instead of Google search, you’ll have even more restrictions on Google’s ability to track you.

Elsie Hupp

You could increase your Patreon tier for a month and then lower it back to your current tier afterwards.

highclass_lady

There's also a PayPal link on Natalie's ContraPoints youtube channel! I'll try to link it below

highclass_lady

& you can also superchat when Natalie streams a game on her livestream channel ContraPointsLive (the same channel she posts her Tangents too)!

Lev

Also, FYI: viewing age-restricted content on Youtube requires sharing Government issued ID or Credit Card details with Google... needless to say this is not desirable for many

godliath

I've come back to this video a few times already, despite the depressing subject material. I definitely think it's main channel content and I fully support you tweaking it as you'd need to in order to protect it from mass flagging. It's important to keep this information out there. Side note, I actually encountered Anita Sarkeesian independently a few years before this all went down, during my first baby steps into feminism. I thought her blog (relatively obscure at the time) was a good feminism 101 but didn't think much else of her -- if anything, I thought her videos were somewhat anodyne to the point of not being particularly interesting to me. So it was WILD to see her thrust into the limelight during Gamergate because the Tropes vs. Women series was similarly extremely inoffensive and academic in its tone, and not especially harsh in its criticism. I don't think she would've entered the public consciousness if it wasn't for this whole mess, ironically, giving her a much bigger platform. I've been following her since and I'm glad to see she seems to be doing well.

Dave L

Well done.

ryan rieffel

I feel like in terms of tangents to refine “AI” or “liminal spaces” would be more appealing, interesting, timely (not to mention safer) topics for the general youtube public than “gamer-gate” Anyway follow ur heart ♥️,

Joe Azar-Williams

Tangent to the tangent, "an hour of video gets uploaded to YouTube every second" is way underselling it. Published estimates state 3-500 hours every minute, so 5-8 hours per second.

Naomi Hatchman

I remember someone posting on Facebook about how he didn't like the "misandry" in Sarkeesian's videos. I told him I'd watched most, if not all, of the videos and "must have missed it" and invited him (politely) to let me know where I could find the terrible things she'd said. Well, it turned out that he'd never actually watched her videos (he probably only ever watched the dishonest 'reaction' videos).

andromis

Love this tangent. So ashamed to know that my internal transphobia was so bad when I was young that I subbed to gamergaters like sargon 😭😭

Caio Cerruti

can anyone tell me the name of the song at 49 minutes?

RmhWork.

There is so much fascism emerging from conspiracies. I came across this article https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2023/aug/02/everything-youve-been-told-is-a-lie-inside-the-wellness-to-facism-pipeline?CMP=share_btn_tw and I’ve seen this in Europe in real time. Hard to find a nutritionist or a trainer that is not becoming straight fascist/eugenic. Y’all just need your thoughts to don’t sick and die! I wonder if it’s connected with TESCREAL (transhumanism, extropianism, singularitarianism, cosmism, Rationalism, Effective Altruism, and longtermism) ideologies somehow (and financed by it)

dan le sac

Thank you for this Ms Points. Excellent work as ever.

Nathan Sherwood

I’m finally getting around to finishing watching this Tangent, and my god Part Four is brilliant. This type of stuff needs to be main channel material so I can share some of these gosh darn amazing things that you are saying. Genius, Natalie. Genius.

Shayzy

How about next Tangent being about Camille Paglia? She sounds like a real piece of work.

RamblesAboutStuff

I'm very grateful you could successfully appeal YT's removal because I hadn't been able to watch the Gamergate Tangent yet, but I finally did last night. I had been waiting for a video from you on the topic and if this Tangent is the elaborated nearly-one-and-a-half-hour-long draft of a future Main Channel Video (trademark), I just sayin'... YES, PLEASE. And if it isn't, I'm still super grateful for this Tangent video. Keep up the amazing work, Natalie! :-)

Pierre Brown

I’m not fully finished with the video yet, but I wanted to say I am sorry that you experienced such cruelty, harassment, and acts of violence from the hands of people you’ve never seen. I have always believed that there needs to be more tangible, real life consequences for people that have committed such acts from behind a computer/phone screen. They should not be allowed to just go back to bed after traumatizing someone so deeply. Even if it’s like a court ordered couple months at a social media detox center or something, it’s better than just absolutely nothing being done.

Anonymous

I watched it twice before the mass-flagging…Random bored gamergate truthers simply cannot stop me from immediately consuming any work you put out

Amy Forest

The moral panic around transgender identities is clicking atm. Like, "transgenderism is a social contagion" or "the trans are pedos" both seem like they belong in the same crowd of people who fear satanic daycares or an influx of Catholic nationals

Amy Forest

I was watching your interview with Matt Bernstein, and the topic of Blaire White debasing herself came up. I have to agree with your position, both on the way trans people blur the lines on a fundamental human distinction, and how traditional cis people respond to the cognitive dissonance through contradictions. I find Blaire White, while maybe not always tasteful, functionally acts as a gateway for conservatives to grasp maybe more constructively at the (frankly) earth shattering new concept of transgender identities. The Info Wars segment demonstrates this nicely; not only did Alex Jones, to his own disbelief, assert that Blaire was a woman, he wished her well (offering something to the effect of "god bless you for the work you do"). Blaire White may not be the trans you want; but she is the trans you need

Atieno

I’ve got about half way through, it’s compelling and I agree with it all but it’s also a hard watch and triggering a lot of introspection. I’m a gamer but I also worked in the industry in a very well known studio and I’m also openly gay and a loud socialist. I remember gamergate but i think I was on the very fringes of it - I can remember around that time being distressed when I found out my employer paid for alot of its review scores for very well known games, thus the ethics in games journalism initially attracted me at the time. (Although I wasn’t initially aware of the Zoe bit back then) Then I found out what the people were doing in gamergate and just the immense toxicity, hatred, bigotry and intolerance that was actually it’s central core; trying to hide behind a moral panic to dross up its central ugly aims. Can remember just retreating from it totally but in hindsight, and with a lot of the context of this video that I didn’t really know until now… I really shouldn’t have; I should have advocated more against that behaviour. So aye it a challenging watch for me, but a much appreciated one… so thank you for this.

Wolfebrayne

the Zoe Quinn drama is John Tucker Must Die but the main characters are nerds not popular girls

George Clutterbuck

Thank you Natalie. I was totally uninformed about this and with everything that is being brought up anew in the UK about Russell Brand—and how he seems to be defending himself at least partly through his criticism of the media, writ large—it felt especially pertinent. What is this thing about being reactionary against the media as a guise for oppressing women?

Ash Gabrielle

Wait, Russell Brand the actor/comedian fellow? Is he a GGer?

George Clutterbuck

Oh no, sorry for the confusion, he's not associated with Gamergate; but their claim to a higher ethical crusade—criticising the supposedly corrupted media, and evading responsibility via conspiracy—is totally Russell Brand right now. Natalie's words on this really resonated with his response in a striking way. (:

Amy Forest

Can you talk to us about Israel? Seems complicated

morgane Oger

It must be so hard to be a petulant man child (at 40).

Sappho's Friend

i dont think thats a topic for contra's channel. And no, it is not in fact complicated at all. dont do g* , a******id and ethnic c*****ing is not a very complicated set of instructions to follow.

Sappho's Friend

I have an idea on a tangent, Queer Heterosexuality (or more accurately called queer cis allo heterosexuality). The idea that e.g. a GNC allo cishet butch woman can identify as queer. Peronally ive thought about it a lot and i dont see valid objections. Its just an idea and if you dont want to talk about it for whatever reason thats fine.

Halalala

im loving the jazz soundtrack in this video

Sappho's Friend

but at the same time she acts as a funnel that erodes trans identity's connection to broadly progressive politics, in favour of just "adding another cell to the prison", a situation where trans people too can be drone pilots that kill children, capitalists, and whatever uber oppressive assimilation into the status quo you can think of no, trans people do need her and people like her, she does much more harm than good

Sappho's Friend

tescreal with its inclusion of rationalism and technology worship is in one way the opposite of antimodernist new age conspiracism. The only unifying quality is that both the techbro "im so rational" pseudoliertarian sphere and the crunchy sphere ideas can be used to introduce their respective targets to fascism. The former leads people to reactionary modernism (see the wikipedia), and the latter to antimodernist ecofascism/social darwinist primitivism so naturally because they are both finances by the same people, but only because they lead to fascism and not because they are otherwise similar

RmhWork.

Okay, everything you wrote might be true (although I suspect tescreal and conspiracy/wellness theories are both more deeply connected with idealism than rationalism). In any case, I'd still like Contra to tangent about tescreal.

Jenny Rodriguez

I decided to watch this one from watching the Ian Danskin series, and I found the comments disabled, these people are insufferable.

Terra Jones (edited)

Comment edits

2026-09-14 12:00 Maybe you could transition over to nebula. Long form advertiser unfriendly content tends to work better there
2024-08-14 18:18