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Episode 619: Dune (Patreon)

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2024-06-14 07:00:05
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2026-06
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Despite the many attempts to transform Dune into something a little more palatable to the mainstream, Frank Herbert's 800-page sci-fi epic didn't truly catch fire with the mainstream until the release of the recent two-part adaptation by Denis Villeneuve. So what's going on with this book, and why have so many failed to translate it to a different medium? On this episode of Retronauts, join Bob Mackey, Jeremy Parish, Diamond Feit and Merritt K as the crew dives deep into the countless dunes of... Dune.

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Phil Cobley

I discovered Dune around 1997, through a budget rerelease of the Cryo adventure game and have been obsessed with it and the series ever since. I read through the manual on the way home, giving some history of the book, the film and the inspirations for the game and was fascinated by everything I learned. The game itself, although very abridged, managed to get through a lot of the plot points from the book (such as the ecology missing from the recent films), while using elements from the Lynch movie (wierding modules for example). The soundtrack, which I hoped might be used in some of the episode music, and the opening/attract mode is absolutely hypnotic and does an incredible job of drawing you into the world of Dune. For a 1992 release, the game is a technical masterpiece. The character portraits are beautiful, the floppy DOS and Amiga releases have an amazing amount of detail to the world - from the map screen, to flying over the sands of Arrakis, to travelling on foot, all the places can be seen in increased detail. The CD ROM replaces the travel segments with (skippable) streaming animation loops, which although looses that detail, is a pleasingly relaxing experience in itself, the time of day affecting the colours on all versions. The CD version also has reasonable voice acting for its era and even has lip-syncing on the PC version. I also appreciate the fact they had an option for subtitles written in Fremen. The game was such a labour of love, and it inspired me to dive further into the franchise and track down the novels as well as the Lynch movie. Picking up the book, I was hooked from page one and would go on the read the whole series, and even some of the prequels (the most recent, Princess of Dune, actually being genuinely enjoyable in its own right). I went on to pay all the other Dune games, all of which I enjoyed (apart from the PS2 game that tied into the miniseries, which is the closest you’ll get to the Dune 3D platformer you dreamed of, however will likely discover to be more of a nightmare) but none of them hold a candle to that first adventure game, in which I see nods to not only the novel and movie, but also the unmade Jodorowsky version. Dune 2 may be more important to the history of games, but the Cryo adventure is the most accessible and immersive dive into the sands of Dune.

Kormakur Gardarsson

Is the music in this episode from the Sci Fi Channel mini series? Clearly far too milquetoast orchestral music to be from Zimmer’s mad score. Also, not only has there been a Bene Gesserit TV series in development since the release of the 2021 film, it even has a trailer and release date: https://youtu.be/EEoQAoEGLhw?si=nubi-n3HSPUdXQyD

tendo

Surprised but pleased to see twitter legend Merritt K as a guest. Would enjoy more from them on retronauts!

Riley Hall

I've said a lot about Dune already. but Herzog Zwei means Duke Two. Duke is a term for poop and so is the number 2. So the retro gaming community should refer to Herzog Zwei as Poop Poop

Michael Castleberry

My Dad for whatever reason LOVED the 80s Dune movie. If he had a sick day from work, he was basically watching that and "The Bridge on the River Kwai" back to back

Steven Guglielmi

Analog is still around; my copy of the latest issue just showed up yesterday.

John Simon

I got turned onto dune 2 when a friend pitched it as “It’s like sim city except the cities have buildings to build tanks and blow each other up” Obligatory, I can’t believe you didn’t discuss: (spins wheel) The Atreides Royal Pug https://youtu.be/bj3-Ay6VCX8?feature=shared

Zach Adams

There was an early Nickelodeon show that ran what would eventually be DVD extras, so when it was coming out I BEGGED my parents to take me to the Lynch movie and they refused. I've only ever read the first 2 books, but I've read them both several times. I told a friend that I'd really enjoyed the first 2 books and she described the Sex Fight and a couple other things from later books, and I just said "welp, I've read a basically perfect two-book story, and I'm going to stop there."

Jason Lew

I see that Jeremy follows r/cyberstuck.

TeamVenom

Dumb story time: A few years ago I stayed at a summer vacation rental in Northern Wisconsin, and the guy who owned the place had a very extensive DVD collection. The crown jewel: a bootleg copy of the Sci Fi Channel Dune miniseries. Not a bad adaptation, has kind of a "community theater" vibe to it.

Phos

I think you might have conflated Dune 2000 with Emperor: Battle for Dune, a fully 3D RTS game where the biggest name they got was Michael Dorn so he got to be Duke Atreides. It follows a completely different storyline where the emperor gets assassinated (I think) before the events of the book kick off. Everyone has mechs for some reason. Also has this neat sub-faction mechanic where you can ally with two of the smaller players, such as house ix or the now leaderless saurdaukars. I also don’t think you covered the inexplicable 2001 “Frank Herbert’s Dune”, which I think was cryo’s last game before they went under. It didn’t really coincide with the release of anything (unless they wanted to tie in with the prequels for some reason) and I’m much less familiar with this game.