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Just a heads up (Patreon)

Published:
2017-10-27 07:31:41
Imported:
2026-06
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 I set all my Patreon posts containing NSFW images to "Patreon only",  because someone made me aware of a change in Patreon's policies  regarding such content. Maybe I'll make them available directly on  the blog for those who aren't patrons, in the future, but for a while it might be impossible to see  them, sorry everyone for the inconvenience.   

Comments

Rycharde's Realm

Know what you're talking about. Had to throw all my posts to patreon only, then I worked through them and 'cleaned' them up. Well, a couple I was not sure would pass the nebulous new rules and left them alone. Do you have the address to the open letter to patreon that discusses this issue? <a href="http://www.openlettertopatreon.com/" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">http://www.openlettertopatreon.com/</a>

mdqp

I just don't understand the need for such rules, Patreons doesn't make money through sponsors, but through the general public, is the one situation where if there is an audience for it, it will get funded, and everyone minds its own business. Thanks for the link. While I share the sentiment, I don't like some of the wording though: "...disproportionately queer, trans, disabled, people of color and those whose first language is not English – are literally scared for our lives." for example. It makes it sound like people should be pitied. I am Italian (so english isn't my first language) I have lived all my life in public housing (paying rent, struggling at times) and I am going to drop out of university soon (after wasting years and money, having to stop and start several times because of debt, etc.), but I don't go around asking faceless companies for help because of what's going on in my life (and being white doesn't change how I pay the bills or miss a payment). Losing my Patreon page would be devastating all the same, but I leave the sad stories for my friends, when I want to vent, not when I am asking someone who has no real obligations toward me to reconsider what they are doing. I agree Patreon is being unreasonable and overbearing (as well as being double-faced) for no good reason, but I am not sure I can get fully behind that letter. It's plenty enough to tell them this would drastically damage people's livelyhood over night, and feels like an unreasonable, uncalled for change (even if they are trying to pass it out as if it was always like this), rather than make it about the groups using the service (I am also going to guess the large majority of creators, and so the monetary interest of Patreon, lies in the white male demographic, so I don't see the usefulness of bringing up our differences, as if that gives the letter more legitimacy). Sorry for the little rant. XD

Rycharde's Realm

Understand. I'm disabled (white-male otherwise) but I do not and probably will not rely on patreon or the next patreon-like company. I am doing this for fun and a way to get my head out of the pain, mania, depression, etc. I find myself in. I kinda disliked the singling out of the minorities as the letter did, though he was speaking for the most part of movie producers and other high-end patreon creators. Though I fully back up the nebulous and contradictory views patreon has, for instance, that one source of rape, etc that Game of Thrones has is cool. So you are saying if you have enough money you can do anything. Sounds something like... Nah. That couldn't be the same...

mdqp

I currently rely on Patreon a bit more than I would like, but I did this for years for fun (although I must admit, to me it's simply about having a creative outlet and sharing it with others, I didn't find comfort from any problems I ever had in life, but in sense all "distractions" do that, to an extent). Yeah, I don't think the letter was ill-intentioned, of course, but it still rubbed me the wrong way, there is almost a political undertone, even if it's not heavy-handed. Companies usually have rules just to suit them, and they want an easy way out for being accused of hosting/helping pornographic production, that's why the rules are contradictory. In a sense, I don't blame them for having exceptions (life is too complicated to properly sort with a few simple rules), I am against the merit of their decision, as well as being surprised they would do it after all this time, with all the traffic adult content creators produce, it's just a shitty move. Money makes the world go round (is that how the saying goes? XD), but I think the problem here is that A) There is actually money in what we do and B) It doesn't harm the platform in any way, so it's just bizarre this would even be brought up, so it doesn't make sense even from a business perspective, it's just an image issues they don't really have that is somehow dictating how they handle this. Are there really groups annoying Patreon for hosting adult content?

mdqp

I do agree, the underlying idea behind the letter is sound, there is really no obvious reason as to why Patreon should do this to adult content creators, we are already outside of the public space, and we generate our own revenue, so there is really no reason to be so overbearing. Still, politics have a way of getting bundled, and I don't want to be right for the wrong reasons, because then it feels like these "rights/protections" should only be given to vulnerable people, which I believe is wrong in principle, as this move by Patreon harms content creators indiscriminately and without a good rationale. These things have a tendency to bite you in the ass later on, so I wish they were more careful with this (it also feels needlessly antagonizing to suggest Patreon is raining fire and brimstone on the "weak", and also a bit condescending toward said groups, if I am honest). I sure hope nothing really comes out of this, and it's just posturing to keep Patreon safe from possible critics, but we'll see what the future brings. I always liked The Allure of Wanton Cove myself, but I must admit I wish the world was more reactive to your transformation, and we had more things to do as a girl (*wink-wink nudge-nudge* ). Also, the possibility to repeat almost all the scenes drives me crazy (;P) and I always end up replaying almost everything everyday. Man, I really need to find more time to play the games, but it's hard to even keep track of the updates!

Derp

"I just don't understand the need for such rules, Patreons doesn't make money through sponsors..." Answer: Patreon probably doesnt care, they obviously dont want to restrict their source of income. The problem came from PayPal and their HOLY CRUSADE against gambling and porn. Comunity centered around adult stuff on Patreon has grown too big to be ignored by PayPal.

mdqp

But again, what would PayPal gain from this? I could even understand gambling (although I don't see how it's PayPal's business what people do with their money), but adult content? Regardless, if that's the case I would expect Patreon to take a stance against such pressures, but I guess I am too naive.

lightningshifter

I suspect it was moreso pressure from different countries to reign in the content or suffer the legal consequences on their end. Technically some of the content being shown openly was very illegal. What could have happened was those countries could outright block patreon if they refused to conform to their country's rules on this sort of content. So they probably did the general compromise so they didn't wind up on a special domain that would severely hurt their ability to advertise and present themselves in a global sense. You have to bear in mind that governments can and will review the internet content and pass judgement within their own country. If you want to do business globally you have to compromise with those entities otherwise they can blacklist you. What's worse is if your own country raises criminal charges against you for violations. Someone with power probably warned them to clean it up or face legal repercussions. This sort of extreme enforcement just wreaks of having a threat of lawsuit against patreon by some country behind it.

mdqp

Now this is something I can understand. Considering how several nations have laws regulating adult content (sometimes with very strict rules) this all makes more sense. I wish it wasn't this way, but if that's the case, this is hardly something they can do anything about.

Malachmorn

I'm not a creator so maybe I don't understand all of it but didn't patreon already removed porn creator from the research (if i search for mdqp it won't suggest me your page) making them acessible only by direct link or reference on another porn cretor page so I don't really see the point of further reducing the visibility of creator . Also with google making the rules about porn on blogspot harsher how can an artist display it's talent or possibility to potential new patreon?

mdqp

As lightningshifter wrote in a comment above, it might be to ensure compliance with the laws of various nations across the globe. For example, in Japan you can't show genitals, right? I imagine several countries have different rules as to what is permissible and what isn't, and to keep doing business internationally, they decided to keep things as hidden as possible. I think that's the best explanation I heard so far.

Malachmorn

I can understand the reason but I think they just picked up the easy and fast solution at the expense of a solution good for the both side (creator and respect of a law). Like nsfw image not displayed for connection from several countries or the obligqtion to have an account with age verification certified to see content or a new tagged imposed for nsfw with censoring to respect law in countries like japan.

Jerome Fournier

If I had to guess I'd say it's either their "trust and safety council" that is infested by a certain type of, lets say, puritan ideologues or it's about trying to manage England and Germanie's increasingly draconian online censorship laws.

mdqp

Well, I sure hope things don't get worse, I feel like there isn't a good enough reason for all these stringent rules, but we are sadly in the weak position here.