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if you missed the webchat, read THIS. (and thank you alllll) (Patreon)

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2018-02-10 19:02:34
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($10/webchat-tier patrons only)

hallo all of you...

MAN - okay that was amazing. i just did an epic 2-hour webchat with an average of about 80 $10+ patrons getting nitty gritty nitty into the bowels of the patreon, the workings, the tiers, the whys and wherefores. the geekier you are the more you will love it, and it would mean a hell of a lot to me if you watched it, because it really does explain a lot of things (how the team works, etc)...also my hair was fucking out of control, it was reflecting aLL the pain of 2012.

if you missed it, you can watch the replay archive, but also, i am going to write a HUGE blog for the entire patreon mostly recapping the topics and asking for general feedback and advice. 

the last post (where the stream was announced) holds the archive (and the chat itsle fis archived!!!), or just use this link: https://www.patreon.com/posts/this-is-it-im-16918638?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=postshare 

and THANK YOU to all of you amazing folks who tuned in and had some wonderful chat and ideas and thoughts to ad, and to cathe and lindsay who braved the screenshare!!!!!!

if you have further thoughts about stuff that we discussed, put em HERE, i'm readin' (and so is hayley)...or wait until i do the general blog about all this stuff. 

i love you & this patreon so much.

xxx

a


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Jann

This is a great and informative webcast regarding the future development of the wondrous thing we all create together with and for AFP - her Patreon!! Take advantage of your $10+ pledge and give it a listen!!

TheGratefulNed

Are the chat and video archives available indefinitely or only for a limited time? I really want to listen to/read it, but probably won't have time for at least several days.

Barbara Griffin

Great chat/business meeting! It was amazing to hear, ,and have an opportunity to understand, the effort and thought that you and team AFP put into everything you do to run the Patreon and your business as a whole. Appreciate the transparency and real interest you have in what your supporters have to say. The feedback that everyone gave was incredibly interesting, a lot of people had great ideas - you have a very smart savvy community backing you. Especially loved the conversation about content vs. art and glad that art won!

ChiliBossXXL®™

Needs more music and art talk. That felt like work.

Brandi

I missed you do to some adulting but I'll for sure be watching soon

Melissa Mykal

I liked the "business" meeting (which I just wasn't able to watch live). I'm happy to have a heads up on your thinking about the tier changes. I will be upgrading (yay!) but want to reiterate my support for whatever art you want to make.

Kelli

I'm really glad I got to be there for the webcast, I'm pretty nerdy so I love that kind of stuff. Here's my thoughts: It makes 100 percent sense to me for you to change from 'per thing' to 'per month." The reason why is, well, you're not just an artist. You're a professional artist. Meaning, this is your profession. And it's because you, at some point, whether consciously or not, made a decision to make art your profession, that I (and the rest of us) get to hear your music. If you had chosen some other profession, and chosen to do your art-ing in your spare time, then I most likely would not have your music to listen to when I'm riding the bus or working or cleaning or needing a backdrop to whatever feeling I'm feeling. This is all obvious, of course - but the point is - what I am paying for, or at least contributing to paying for, is not only the art, but the work. The work, being, all the shit you have to do in order to take that art and make it something that I can download onto my computer and my phone and carry around with me and listen to and enjoy. All the emails and the meetings and the phone calls and the traveling and *whatever* -- and then of course all the work your staff does, and all the stuff you have to buy, and etc etc -- of course I don't even know what it all entails, I can only imagine, because I'm not a professional artist. I am an artist, and there was a time I wanted to be a professional artist, but then I went to art school and what I learned from art school is that I didn't want to be a professional artist. What I am, profession-wise, is a data analyst. I work in the non-profit healthcare world, and I make graphs and lists for people, mostly doctors. And there are many many days where, at the end of a 10 hour day, I have no graph or list to present to anyone. There are times when I spend my entire day just doing research, or catching up on emails, or going back and tweaking stuff I've already done. Nobody sane would argue that on those days I'm not working, or I should not be paid for my time. Yet for some reason, with artists, there is an expectation that the only time money should even be mentioned is when the artist has some finished piece of art to present, as if they are a kid whose finished a school project. My guess is, that even during those months that you don't release anything to us, you are working. Haley still has to get paid. The lights still have to stay on. I doubt you all go and hibernate until it's time to record a song. Anyway sorry if that was long-winded... I really appreciate how you share this part of of what you do with us. Thanks for everything.

Douglas A. Gwyn

Kelli put it very well. Per-month capped billing is a good match for the recurring costs of doing business. At normal funding levels, we don't need concrete "things"; but we need to know that we're enabling a reasonable flow of art to which we will have access. Based on past experience we trust you to continue producing that, and we trust your artistic judgment while going about it.

Jim Lloyd

I like the hybrid idea. Almost everyone I back on Patreon is monthly. Adding a "per perk" add-on sounds great (assuming we can still cap things) so I will probably go for the $25 option when it comes out. I do love the fact that you work so hard to build an ecosystem of art that (with luck) will become a kind of virtuous-circle of good things coming into the world.

Zaque Harig

That was two hours well spent! Understanding the complexity of what goes on behind the scenes is helpful. I had a successful Kickstarter for a traveling weekly video adventure thing and my rewards were simply unmanageable. Literally without exception, all of my backers later told me they wanted to be patrons and to buy me the freedom to create free from financial worry. We want that for you dear Amanda. As you say, it is not possible for you to disengage from the relational aspects of our community, no one is worried that you will leave. You are at your best when free from stress. Here are my suggestions: Get rid of the per-thing option and if you need more money for a thing, Patreon should have a ‘Special Need’ button/widget with a funding completion pie graph. When you have a need, we can support you above and beyond the monthly amount and raise the goal amount as a community. Churches do this for special offerings and it works well. If you need to promise yourself that we’ll get one thing per month to justify it, great. Really we just want the Amanda machine to keep churning and for your incredible staff to always get paid. I and many others fell in love with you and your story through The Art of Asking. (I’ve listened to it 9 times). Discovering that I tremendously enjoy what you create is an added delight. You and your team and brave pioneers, charging into uncharted territory, and making life and art possible for THOUSANDS of other artists. What you have given modern artists is incalculable. From where I’m sitting, your second guessing what you do or don’t deserve is absurd. You have an amazing track record of consistently creating things. I swear, no one is worried that will change. What would be incredibly valuable to receive as a patron is of course, time with you. I agree that those with the beaucoup bucks (not me) should get something special. Dinner in-person feels logistically impossible. What about a beer or glass of wine with a Skype chat? #digitalcocktailhourwithafp Booze or no booze, it would be a privilege and an honor. For those of us in the lower tiers, it would be cool to be in a lottery to be randomly selected for a one-on-one Skype chat. Thank you Amanda.