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Well then.

There are now scalper stubhub tickets on sale for the upcoming Dresden Dolls shows for $3,372 a pair.

This makes me really sad.

Let me remind you that the band will eventually do bigger tours and everyone will be able to come music with us. You should get on the band’s mailing list.

Again, there’s like that 2% of my heart that get thrilled and ego-stroked that tickets for my band are this wanted.

But this also veers into the realm of horror when I look at what the band is going to earn from these shows (very little) and the fact that one scalper who took advantage of our relatively honor-based system could literally earn more than both members of the goddamn band, who are going to rehearse our asses off for two weeks and then soundcheck and perform nine hours of music over the course of three long days…just because they grabbed a dozen tickets and can now sell them for a kings ransom.

This scalper could - in all seriousness - make more money than the band and the crew combined.

This really hurts, because my band and my crew work really hard. We are good at our jobs. We deserve to get paid more than a clever scalper.

Lots of bands have tried lots of things to escape scalping. I remember a few years ago when NIN put tickets on sale IN PERSON. You literally had to go stand in line with your ID and get the goods in the flesh.

I talked to a local woman in Woodstock about a week ago and she was bemoaning the fact that she couldn’t get tickets…and then she texted me that she was just going to blow the thousand bucks on stubhub. She was thrilled. I was not.

I don’t think people understand how much it hurts, when you’re the musician, and you know the math.

Could I have squeezed her onto the guestlist and asked her to just give *me* that $1,000 in cash? Sure. Would I ever do that in a million years? No.

The band also could have sold ALL these Woodstock tickets for $300 each and they probably would have sold. But we didn’t want to gouge our community. We sometimes sell VIP tickets, but we have always, always tried to keep our general tickets really reasonably priced even when we knew we could make more money by charging more. Because FAIR.

There is really no way to fix this at the moment. These scalpers already bought these tickets and we cannot get them back. Our team looked into systems for the internal community to buy and resell tickets - and we will implement that when we eventually tour - but that doesn’t help us now.

These tickets on stubhub are VIP tickets; as evidenced by the fact that you get a merch package with the ticket. That means that either some scalper had to be on our mailing list, or some actual fan of ours decided that it was worth $3,372 to not see a band they love.

So many people are struggling right now. Me included. I haven’t been able to properly tour in a few years, because of the collision of mothering a young kid and pandemic, and belts are tightening all around the world. My patreon numbers are falling. The exit polls show that people are having to budget more tightly.

I wonder how much you’d have to bribe ME with to not attend these dolls shows.

Like, if someone just flat out offered me $5,836,386 in cash to cancel these three shows, would I do it?

Does everybody have a price?

More critically:

Will I ever go back to making posts about art, songwriting, and music?

😀

I guess all I want to say is this: to whatever person is selling these tickets, I hope it’s worth it to you. It’s making me and my band sad, you’re taking advantage of some pretty nice people and pissing in a system based on kindness, and whatever you’re spending the profit on, I hope it’s not meth.

We will figure this out, my friends. Bear with us.

I just posted this to social media, and immediately got three text messages from pals who had extra tickets and were wondering what to do with them, and offered to sell them back to the band at face value.

YES. If you have tickets you want to sell back to us, we will take them and find them good homes. Email management@amandapalmer.net and we will sort it and thank you up and down.

Also, here’s a post about all the patron and extra dolls stuff you need to know (yoga! brunch! brigade!!) https://www.patreon.com/posts/73301948

There is also the shadowbox forum, where we have a thread going with housing, ticket trades, ride shares and all that.

https://forum.theshadowbox.net/t/dresden-dolls-november-10-11-12-woodstock-ny-need-offer-ticket-ride-couch-buddy-info/9860/6


And if you have or need tickets right here and now, feel free to comment below and find one another.

xx

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Katie Ní Mhaoláin

Scalpers are the absolute worst. Taking tickets and money from the real fans... it's shameful. I've been to shows where my name was printed on my ticket and photo ID with a matching name was required to get in. The place would buy back your ticket if you couldn't make it and resell to someone else at face value. Could be an option going forward if this is going to be an issue?

Christine Webb

This is so upsetting. I'm in need of 2 tickets, if anyone finds themselves unable to attend.

Janet in Georgia

That’s absurd. Just an IDEA. I’ve never had the opportunity to buy vip tix for any of your shows I’ve been to and I’ve been to 5 total, solo and DD. You should TOTALLY do vip packages for PATREON members with a password to buy them. That way some scalping butthole can’t buy them up and sell for more than 2 months of my mortgage :)

Jen

❤️❤️❤️

DebbieG

I know some artists have been able to cancel tickets that they saw posted for resale at insane prices, but I am not sure how they did it. Sadly this is rampant with just about every band these days. I am sad that the local woman would actually pay that piece. I admit that I will turn to the resale market for some shows, but I will *never* pay inflated prices like that. I know the face value of the seat and pay as close to it as I can. I know that using it only contributes to the survival of the scalper system, but it is hard to get tickets sometimes, and live music is important to me. I am sorry that someone is taking advantage of your fans.

Rafael Mendez

I miss the days of camping out in front of Tower Records on Mass Ave the morning that tickets went on sale. Scalpers could still get tickets but they had to physically be in line. With ticket sales going digital, it’s easier for them to get access to more tickets. The digital camping out experience isn’t the same.

Pamela Kirsch

Hi! I was one of the people who got scammed for tickets early on. Totally blows but ended up working out when an Angel gave me a ticket. I wonder if these are even authentic or another scam? Anyway if anyone has tickets for the 10th I have friends in need and I don’t know if I can go without them because ride and Woodstock house. Please please let us know. I know they reached out on shadow box too. Amanda we love you beyond and hopefully this will all work itself out with the power of our community. Also also if people are sending you tickets please let us know if/when/how to snag? 💓💓💓💓💓💓💜💜

Emily Alderson

The person that was supposed to go with me cannot, so I gave my other ticket away to a fan of the band I have never met. It will be their first time seeing the band. The memory and experience of being able to do that is worth way more to me than $100. Karmic effects are on the way

DoodleHeart

LOL I stood in that ticket line for NIN. It was an experience. As someone who, if I had the money to travel, I absolutely would go. It breaks my heart to see someone take advantage of this. I'm so sorry.

Sarah E Murray

Why don't you sell tickets with a minimum price but encourage people who have more to pay at higher levels on a sliding scale? Do you tell people how much it costs to tour, and how many hours of work get put in? It's interesting that business like Amazon have been able to take books - which, when in hard copy, can be endlessly recirculated for free - and bound them to an individual person (something that is incredibly destructive of culture and tends to benefit Amazon and middlemen generally rather than writers) - there much be some way to tie a ticket to an individual so that you sell a license for an individual to attend a concert that is nontransferrable (which would be supportive of culture).

Jen Avery

This is heartbreaking, especially for those of us who truly wanted to see the show and weren’t able to get tickets (and also wanted to see the Dolls show in 2018 and weren’t able to then, and on and on.) In any case, if anyone has two to sell, I’m very interested, and to all who are lucky enough to be attending, art your hearts out for the rest of us!

Damian Masterson

I’ve been on ticketing side of this, and it’s fascinating how challenging a problem this is to crack. Every effective step there is to thwart scalpers doubles as a kind of punishment for fans. Using Dynamic pricing like Springsteen just did does dramatically reduce scalping and shifts that revenue to the artist, but at an expense to every fan. Tying every ticket to an ID without allowing transfers ends up burning loads of people whose plans change. I did in person ticket purchasing for Nine Inch Nails in 99, but was only able to do that because I was a high school kid, and standing on line all morning cost me nothing. Flooding the zone might have helped. Maybe if you had been able to announce a gargantuan world tour at the same time, it might have tamped down the demand some, but these three shows would still be seen as the most special ones. Even in my case, I’m going to be at the 11/11 show, and that’s going to be extraordinarily special for me, but I’m also still a little aware that I couldn’t be at the first show. I’m literally going to the thing, and would still be a little tempted if a scalper offered me a ticket and to free me up the night before. I can both recognize how irrational that impulse as well as how little that awareness diminishes the impulse. So, with all that in mind, I suspect that, absent efforts that disproportionately punish fans, scalpers are an inevitability. I would love more than anything to see someone Gina rack that problem, though.

EmVT

Pamela, you raise an excellent point that the scalped tickets could be fake tickets. Interestingly, I just checked back to the eventbrite site where I put the ticket in your name (it is still in your name by the way), and there would be nothing stopping me from changing that name to somebody else. You would think you have a ticket, and I could probably easily convince someone they also have a ticket in their name, because I retain control. I only have to type in a new name and their email, and they will receive an email from the system saying they have a ticket in their name. I am seemingly able to edit that ticket at my discretion (as many times as I want?), as the original purchaser of the ticket. This seems like a flexible yet flawed system once bad actors enter the mix. On a related note Pamela, if you are not able to go, let me know and I will put your ticket in the name of Dresden Dolls management. I hope you can go, though!

Pamela Kirsch

Thanks Em! I was totally planning on returning to you if that were the case but I don’t want to think like that we are gonna get there! Also so excited to give you a hug In Woodstock if you consent of course :-)

EmVT

That's the spirit, you will do this! I'm a hugger, you have my consent :)

braincolor

I asked this on Facebook, but perhaps this is a better place to think: Can it work without tickets at all? If you want to go to the concert, you register with your name, which is checked at the entrance. If you can't go, you cancel. The entrance permits of people who have neither cancelled nor turned up 30 minutes before the start are given to people who are present and waiting. Payment before/during/after: "What is/was this concert worth to you?" Would that be too risky?

Janet in Georgia

I used to camp out in Chicago for tickets at various places when I was a preteen/teen. Rose records was my favorite place though :) those were the days!!!

Janet in Georgia

The cost of touring for the artist is CRAZY. I heard from a band member of a different current touring band that they had to drive around in a van because tour bus prices were astronomical and close to 80k a MONTH. People just don’t understand how much it actually costs for touring things and how little they actually get from the ticket and merch sales.

Peter (Reet) Glass

I agree how distressing this is. BTW, I doubt u could make yer gelt back if u played here in south Florida. I am just accepting that for financial reasons, i won't be seeing you live any time in the future. This place sucks if yer not a commercially viable performer (maybe u should call yourself " Amanda the Fucking Stallion "!!!!

Ragamonster

Angel Video in Auburn or Sears in the Auburn Mall! Im spacing on the Greendale Mall one’s name. I met the best fans in line. ❤️

Ragamonster

I wish we as a community could figure out how to fix this and set the precedent for all shows going forward. I wish I had the answer. I’m just glad we have this space to help where we can. ❤️

EmVT

braincolor, this seems reasonable, though since the permits are not transferrable, it counts on people canceling as soon as they realize they can't make it, to allow others enough logistics time to make plans to be there. People showing up hoping to get in is A LOT easier in a big city, Woodstock is a special trip for most people. The system could manage an advance waitlist--not an insurmountable barrier. it still doesn't stop bad actors with clogging the registration with fake names just to be a**holes and prevent fans from seeing the band (different kind of a**shole than a scalper, granted). and a minimum price of some kind would be needed to ensure everyone gets paid. but it does seem better than the current situation!

Len Tower Jr.

Interesting idea, Except: "Payment before/during/after: "What is/was this concert worth to you?"" Asking the crew & venue to take on a share of this risk doesn't really fly. -Len

Angela Fardo

Ooh I so dislike scalpers. Scalpers are why we can’t have nice things.

braincolor

*sigh* I always try to believe in the good in people, but actually I know that even a few a**holes can cause big piles. -_-

Jenna Bruner

This is really sad, especially for those with the ability to be there, but with no ticket. Question: what happens to those tickets that don't sell? If the last 100 tickets are no less than say $1000, and no one is willing to pay that, what happens to those? Is that where a waiting list, or sales at the door would work? I ask because a year or so ago we had a big band come here where I am. Tickets sold out in like 30 minutes. They were about $150 with fees. The day before the show I get a text from a friend asking if I was going, that he had just got a ticket for $10 thru an app like stub hub. WHAT!! That is why I'm asking. Is there a possibility of extra tickets day day before or day of? Not sure how you know what is left.

Aimsel Ponti

I slept outside on a sidewalk in Lowell, Massachusetts to get David Bowie tickets and I would do it again.

Marni Mead

In Australia we have anti scalping laws in most states that (try to) prohibit scalping by making it illegal to sell tickets for more than a 10% price increase. Official resale websites won’t let you list a ticket for more than 110% of the purchase price. Doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen - it’s just a lot harder for people to get away with it. I hope you can find a solution someday.

Laura Morland

Emily in Vermont, how wonderful to see your continued acts of generosity. ❤️It was YOU who inspired me to purchase 2 tickets to Amanda's first appearance back in the U.S., which I offered on Patreon, and were used by a lovely, longtime fan of Amanda's ... AND during the pre-show meet on the High Line she got to tell her story about how Amanda had changed her life, and received a deep hug in return! As I recall, Emily, nobody took you up on your offer for tickets for that show... which suprised me. Anyway, I never would have thought of doing that, if not for you. So you should get most of the credit for that fan's joy. 💓💓 P.S. Maybe, in future, fans of Amanda who live far away from Woodstock (like me) should immediately buy tix for her shows, in order to crowd out the scalpers? If hundreds of us each bought a pair of tickets, we could give them to Amanda, or put them up on the Patreon for face value, whichever works best.

EmVT

All, I want to highlight what happened to Pamela, is there a guarantee (through Stub Hub) that these are even actually real tickets? In Pamela's case they just took her money and ran, there was no ticket. Please don't buy outrageously priced tickets from someone you don't know. I'm actually more concerned about the more reasonable tickets in the few hundreds of dollars--don't buy those either. You can have my tickets if you're really thinking of spending thousands of dollars. The Dolls are going to be touring at a city near you in the near future, I'm sure. I can still enjoy a nice mini-vaca in Woodstock with y'all. Bottom line, the band and crew need to make a fair living wage, and fans buying tickets from scalpers is not going to help that happen. Maybe buy some merch instead this time around, if you can't find any tickets, or, like I said, you can have my tickets. I'm a new fan, never seen the Dolls live, and am not as invested as some of you old-timers. For the future tour, maybe there's a way to avoid booking regular venues that are going to charge an arm and a leg due to trying to recover from the pandemic. Could you get a tent or something, and a permit, in most bigger cities and towns? Anyway, scalpers are the worst. Fucking outrageous.

Janet in Georgia

I camped out overnight in 94 & 95 for NIN tickets and I’d do it again!! Very much an experience.

Lena DeGloma

Yes, this is the perfect solution - in fact - if someone could create ticketing software that not only attaches tickets to people’s names (with photo ID requirement) but also can have a pre-authorized payment waitlist feature, so that buy-backs of tickets are based on the venue already knowing they have someone on the waitlist with guaranteed authorization for payment upon availability (like kickstarter, you aren’t charged unless goal is met, you get on “waitlist” agree to pay and then you are only charged if someone sells back their ticket to the venue (and the venue doesn’t have to worry about buying back tickets it cannot resell since it can allow buy-backs only when there is someone on the wait list to buy it. That would be an almost-perfect system - someone just needs to create the software.

Azucena

I upped my Patreon, people need to up their Patreon because really supporting the artist is very important

EmVT

thanks Pamela, I do plan to go to at least one of the two shows I have a ticket for, probably both :) I'm just saying if someone truly can't wait, to the tune of hundreds and thousands of dollars, consider reaching out before spending that kind of money. because the band and crew will not see a dime of it, and what if there is no ticket? like, if it's someone's literal dying wish to see the Dolls, so they literally can't wait because they might die before then, take my ticket. I'm new to concerts and ticket buying so I'm not exactly sure what is going on, but my spidey senses are tingling. 🕷️

Grace Beaster

So sad to hear of this occurrence, especially within a community that is built on faith, love, trust and kindness. Good on you for laying out the math.

Jessica Petty

Urgh scalpers ☹️ NIN are still super tight on the trying not to let scalpers get tickets. I bought tickets to see NIN this year in the uk but unfortunately got covid before the gig (I’d been to a festival a week before). Obviously I was gutted! I tried to contact the venue, the ticket company - no one would give me a refund. The tickets were only available on my AXS app and the QR refreshed every 60 seconds - I couldn’t resell them - I couldn’t even give them away for free!! Good on Trent and co for making tickets impossible to transfer but also… there has to be another way! I had a genuine reason to not go! I could have gone to that show with covid, since I wasn’t getting my £70 back, and they don’t ask you, but I would have felt awful knowing I was spreading it around so I stayed home. Luckily hotel was refundable and train tickets weren’t yet purchased, so I only lost the price of the ticket.

EmVT

Just watched a John Oliver video on youtube about ticket resellers, interesting. It strikes me that posting a blown-up price might be a convenience for the ticket reseller if they want to post the tickets all at once, but hold some of them until closer to the date to actually sell them. In other words, not many people could actually pay that much, so it's a way to post a bunch of tickets all at once but hold some of them for later by posting an out-of-reach price. They drop the price to a more reasonable amount when they actually want to sell them, closer to the date when people are more desperate and would pay more. The listing shown in Amanda's post is now only ~$675 today before fees (they're probably getting a lot of traffic after Amanda's post :). ). Anyway, it would be interesting to get the data on what the maximum actual price someone has really paid on these sites for tickets.

Holly Smith

You hope it’s not meth? Yikes.

John Reskusich

Make tickets not transferable and ticket needs matching ID on entry. Limit number of tickets per person. Option to buy tickets determined by lottery. I can only imagine how frustrating this has to be. I don't miss spending Saturday mornings in long lines to department stores to buy tickets. But, at least it meant you had skin in the game to get a ticket.

Lindsay Rickman

Thank you for being real and raw in this post, and as always. So many people I care about work as independents, and I'm always trying to educate myself about the everyday-life things you guys are dealing with out there. Scalping truly is stealing from artists.

Len Tower Jr.

Laura: Might help a little. Note the scalpers were buying tickets during the three hours they were on sale. Anyone can join the d.dolls' mailing list.

Alex Pugh

On this note: how do I offer my second ticket for NYE to another fan at face value?