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Hello loves.

Ok, let's fuckin' go there.

I have a million other things I should probably be doing right now. Approving the mailers about to go out about the merch sale. Getting Ash some new winter clothes and snow boots. Trying to convince people to take part in early voting. Cleaning the kitchen. Rehearsing for The Dresden Dolls rehearsal that starts at noon. I am, as I have been since 2020, or 2018?, or 2016?, very behind.

But this comment from the Althing the other day from Deevoid the other day seared my heart to the very core. 

So I wanted to respond. I'll cut and paste to catch you up.

Deevoid posted:

It would be great if you gave some attention to the Patreon community. It’s been a solid two plus years since you started near radio silence on a personal note because of being overwhelmed. We have been here and stayed supportive and are waiting patiently to hear from you. To get a proper, in depth, check in from you about everything that has happened, how you feel, how you are doing, where you’re at, that isn’t just “I can’t talk right now, so overwhelmed, drowning, busy, tired, mothering, barely coping”. Patrons keep the lights on, but it seems like no one is home. Please talk to us. Please sit down and get a wine and share your heart, your life - prove that judgemental journalist wrong and return to being our friend. Otherwise I feel the connection you built with everyone is just going to peter out and disappear, because you don’t have space in your life for us anymore.

I responded: 

Hi Deevoid. If you mean talking about my relationships, that I cannot do at the moment. I think everyone here probably understands why, or at least understands some aspect of why. It is very hard. And unlike me, given years of constant divulging. But I have a kid now and my kid is my first, second, third and tenth loyalty. Everything else, even my desire to share all my feelings, must come second. Stay for the art, and have patience. It will all make sense eventually. ♥️

They responded: 

Hi Amanda, it's bigger than your relationships. It's about your heart. I can go back and assemble quotes from every email you've sent in the last two years and they all say you can't talk right now. They all say you are struggling and that you can't focus on talking to us. You say thank you for the patience and that at some point you will come back. Then, in August you said "I need your help. I need everybody’s help to figure out how to focus my attention.  I wanna write more. And I’ve been so off-grid as an artist, as a musician, as a published writer even, that I’m really trying to also get some perspective." Well I'd like to give you my perspective. You've been emotionally absent from us for years. We all understand the awfulness of the past couple years. But what your patrons and you have always shared, is deep honest friendship. Waiting for years for your friend to feel better and tell you what is going on is ok, but please come back. Do you need to go on tour now? I feel like its vital to spend time connecting with the patrons now. It's been too long. These past years, the only things you share is overviews like I've been doing a and b (e.g laundry and taking ash to school) and I'm struggling. But I feel like we've lost you because even when you have time to do things, you don't check back in with us. You don't talk about your life anymore, your feelings other than vagaries. You now say you are overbooking yourself again doing too many things. But still you don't check back in with us. You haven't been available. I feel that the community you have built with us is drifting too far apart to not say something. 

What has your last couple years felt like? What have you learned? What are you struggling with? What is making you happy? Are you happy? How do you feel about life itself? How do you feel about Ash? How do you feel about America? How do you feel about your life? Do you miss us? What is your take away from these past years? Is the takeaway that there is no takeaway? Do you still want to connect to us? Why are you going on tour now and getting away from home and getting on the road after you were on the road for years before covid? Do you think the fans need more live music, or do you need it? 

Your patrons around the world, waiting to hear from you like the old times, aren't all going to be able to see you live, and even if they do, one night months from now, won't it be months to a year before you sit down again and speak to us again? Will you speak to us again? Will the Althing be the only time we hear from you about how you are doing? I'm asking you these things because I care about you and value you and value the relationship you have built with us because it goes beyond the art - we stick around for you. I've been following you for many many years now and I valued the connection of friendship that you made with us. I'm just asking you to rekindle that connection.

There was also this comment, from Maggie:

Yup. I messaged Amanda and asked her wtf is going on with Neil since he up and abandoned her and Ash. I asked her, how on earth she, as a feminist can stay with someone who would just up and leave like that during a pandemic. Nothing. I heard nothing. I then asked Amanda if Neil made her sign a non disclosure and not allowing her to speak. Nothing. I have been following Amanda since 2012 and I am starting to feel taken advantage of. 😡

And this, from Angel Rosen:

I had to take some time to digest these comments because... what? The fact that Amanda has had a history of being an intimate oversharer, does not mean that aspect of her is for sale.  Also, would you ever say to someone who has been traumatized -  "You actually haven't told me about your trauma enough," - to someone out outside of the Internet? Surely, you wouldn't, unless you were someone's mental health professional... Amanda can fight her own battles here but we all miss her. I'm sure she also misses herself but that person may be inaccessible. Trauma changes people in different ways. She could've closed up the Patreon when the Stuff happened in 2020 and shut her doors for life, but she chose to maintain and value these relationships.  If you are not enjoying the Patreon posts, you can choose to leave - that's your freedom and no one would judge you for that.  Neil isn't a character of Amanda's life, he's a separate person, and their life is just as much his business and it is Amanda's, and she's made it clear that she's not comfortable talking about it. I don't think she's looking for us to encourage that out of her. I don't think there's a type of support a bunch of Internet friends/fans/strangers/family can offer her that will change this decision to remain private about things and change how she shares.  I'm so sad thinking about this comment.


........

Angel, thank you for that. I think you understand me deeply.

I, myself, have not been able to shake these comments.

Yes, I have been a huge sharer of feeling and life experiences (I refuse to use the term "oversharer", I think that term is fundamentally flawed) on the internet for a long time. I shared a lot in my book. I share. I tell the truth.

For the last two years, I have not done much of that. I haven't done that because I have a kid, and I do not want to damage his fragile and growing relationship with the world by sharing things that could stunt that growth. Anybody with children knows and understands this. Kids change the game, and raise the stakes. They humble you and shut you up. They need to create their own stories about what is going on, what is happening, and who people are.

But given my liefelong habits and plundering my lived experience for art and blogs, and given my long-time advocacy encouraging women to speaking out about trauma and their lived experiences, well, I would hope it'd be obvious to all of you. I have definitely felt the irony and the paradox. 

I do, however, take issue with the phrase "if you gave some attention to the Patreon community." I think you gotta grade that one on a curve. I am not the Amanda Palmer of 2007, who spend 5-7 hours a day on the internet, sharing every photo and experience and throwing a constant part on the internet. I think that would have changed no matter what after I had a kiddo. My time with Ash is precious. He's 7 and growing up so fast. I have had to turn my attention away from the internet and towards motherhood. But I do think I have explained this over and over, and given a lot of attention - as much as I can, I think - to the patrons and community who have stayed and supported me through the past three years, which have, by a factor of hundreds, been the most difficult of my adult life.

I have never been called to share and say so little, and fight so hard to protect what is immediately precious. 

That being said: I think this has been good for me. I now have a patience and a long view of time, trauma, justice, and healing that I never could have or would have had.

The patreon has been supportive me throughout this weird period and that is something that I cannot and do not take for granted. Those who know me trust me that I wouldn't do anything for no reason. I have been called a charlatan before (epspeically in the Kickstarter days), and that is why comments like this cut me to the bone.

The last thing I want is for peopler to think I am taking advantage of their trust and goodwill. That being said, I have said it here until I am blue in the face:

This is not a monogamous relationship. It's an - ethically - open one. You talk to me and I talk to you. If you feel that you are not getting enough from me, you can walk away and come back. You can be honest with me, and make comments telling me you are tired of me saying I'm tired. That's legit. But I can also throw up my hands in your direction and say: I'm sorry. This is what it is right now. This is who I am right now. I tired mother trying to focus on many things. A band. A kid. A silence. A new country, and another new country. Living in a new situation, twice, three times, four times, with a little kid. And all within that silence.

I ask, again, for you to trust me, love me, support me, understand me, and allow for things to unfold - they will - in the time they need to.

If I had stopped making art (or "content", though that word makes me cringe"), I think I'd feel one thousand times worse. But I have managed, in this bleak era, to dig to the bottom of my soul over and over again and I've put out over a dozen really incredible projects and continued to spread the love and funds to so many artists and makers who have been so grateful for the work and collaborating and support. (If you haven't yet digested my last project with Sophie Strand and Co, it didn't get very much attention, but it's one of the best things I've had the pleasure of making in a while).

I hope you see that this patreon is about so much more than me, my little art, my little life, my little feelings. It's about everyone I support. Incliding Ash. It's about everyone I make art with. It's about you all staying here with me, and all of us keeping one another afloat. 

This is, I think, what love is.

It's understanding, it's ebb and flow, it's allowance.

I am still here.

I am still trying to write to you all the time.

I am trying so hard to do what I can within the constraints that I find myself in.

People have left. People have joined. I have not been able to make everybody happy.

But I know I cannot make everybody happy. 

I can do this.

I can cut and paste all of your questions, and answer them.

And because, Deevoid, you took the time to ask them, and because you seem to actually care deeply about me (and the community), and I will answer them here, as honestly as I can.

What has your last couple years felt like? 

Like Hell. I have never suffered this much and been exposed at close range to so much human pain, broken mental health, trauma and unspeakable darkness. It has been fucking horrifying. It has also been like Heaven. I got to escape most of Covid in one of the most beautiful countries in the world. It was a very strange combination.

What have you learned? 

I have learned that I can survive anything.

What are you struggling with? 

Your comment. The balance between motherhood and art. Where to live. What to work on. 

What is making you happy? 

Playing with Brian. Reading Ash "The Lion, The Witch and The Wardrobe" before bed and before school every day.

Are you happy? 

Yes. But after around 4pm every day I get melancholy.

How do you feel about life itself? 

More clear-eyed. Far less naive than I used to. I used to have an inherent faith in the fundamental goodness of people that has been shifted over the last few years. 

How do you feel about Ash? 

I love the bejeezes out of him. And I feel like he will be absolutely fine no matter what happens because I've made the right decisions and re-prioritized my life and work to make him the main priority.

How do you feel about America? 

I will be very honest: I do not feel good. Even if the midterms go well, I feel like something incredibly dark is happening over here. It concerns me deeply. 

How do you feel about your life? 

I feel like I am doing the absolute best I can given the situation I am in 

Do you miss us? 

Yes. I miss you, and being more connected on the internet with this community and peoples stories, and touring, and hugging people constantly, and being in the mix of performers and artists and shows and community sharing....more than I can possibly put into words. I miss it fucking terribly.

What is your take away from these past years? 

Slow down.

Is the takeaway that there is no takeaway? 

The takeaway is a daily evolution, my dear.

Do you still want to connect to us? 

Yes. Here I am. See?

Why are you going on tour now and getting away from home and getting on the road after you were on the road for years before covid? 

That is just incorrect: I am not touring. I am doing three shows with The Dresden Dolls next week, and a New Years show in LA. That is fucking it for a while. I am too traumatized and exhausted to do more than that. I would love to tour. But I am not ready, and I won't be for a while.

Do you think the fans need more live music, or do you need it?

I don't know what the fans need. I think everyone is a little sore and tramatized right now, and even knowing what we need is hard to grasp.

I can try to know what I need.

I think I need to stay slowed down, and I think I need you to love and understand me, and I think I need you to leave here and come back if this isn't working for you. I will always be here with my arms open if you return.

I think I need to slowly start putting my band together, and I think I need to read poems, and I think I need to make sure Ash has enough colored pencils, and I think I need to make sure he's not just eating pizza for dinner, and I think I need to be a whole and healed human before I can be a whole and healing artist.

When this artist has healed herself, she can be what you miss and remember. But it is going to take a moment, still. You cannot rip open a budding flower, you cannot pull the stitches out before the cut closes, and you should not wake a person who is on hour 13 of sleeping off a journey that took her through the woods for days without sleep.

Help me by understanding this.

It's just been a nightmare from which  I haven't quite awakened.

I love you, Deevoid. Thank you for making me sit down to write and explain this.

And thank you Maggie. And Angel.

And all of you.

I love you, and I am still here, and I am still Amanda.

Yours.

xx

A


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Jennifer Harnage

I love you, Amanda, and I'm sorry you've endured so much suffering. ♡

Jessica Coiro

Life is such a clusterfuck of balance, there is not enough time in the day, not enough days in a year, and not enough years in a lifetime to accomplish everything you want, keep in touch with everyone you want to, and make everyone as happy as you want them to be... you just do your best and that is enough... I just recently joined your patreon because I'm finally in a good place where I can... yours and Laura Jane Grace's to be exact. I feel connected to you both because of your art and music and frankly you both seem like super rad women who I admire. I've met ljg a few times and got to see you once in Chicago in 2019. I'm glad to be here, I'm glad you are here. And was super pumped to read ljg's blurb about the two of you having dinner in NY. Just keep doing what you're doing you can try but you can't make everyone happy and if they can't understand that you have priorities outside of your art then they will just have to do what is best for them. We are all just doing our best and that is good enough. ❤️ much love, looking forward to seeing you in my cluster fuck of a state(fl) this summer.. we definitely need you and can't wait to see you and Brian

Lesil Buschman

Dear Amanda, When I signed up for your Patreon, I knew I would be supporting your art, your life. I did not do it expecting to be in on your every life experience and feeling. How exhausting that would be... is for you. What job does that to a person? I support you because I believe in you and let you do your thing without my interference (isn't that why you started this Patreon, to work without interference). I love you and am supporting you. That's really it. Go be you.

Just Jupiter (Chelsea)

I was thinking recently about LOFNOTC recently and how much your community has changed since then. I miss those days, but the truth is I wouldn’t be able to stay awake till 2AM like we would back then, anyway. I also changed. The world changed more than we ever thought it could. Have grace and have patience, for yourself, for us, and for the world.

Anna Booth

For a while I couldn't afford this but rejoined now as soon as finances got better. I missed this, I missed you, I am also a mother (of 3 littles) and I am also tired... Also would love to have time to read poems... But at least I can listen to music as I do this mothering thing. Xx

neely

you *are* still Amanda. I love what you share and respect what you choose not to. I don't have all the words at rhe moment (I'm working/should be working) but I la-la-love you and hope you're able to bounce back and take care of your heart today. ❤️

Anna McCotter

I’m having hard core déjà vu.

Kirk

I’m new here… but so far I feel like I get MORE than I can keep up with. Which is great - I can go back and catch up when the days allow. So by all means, continue to share what you like, when you like, and thanks for letting us take the ride with you. P.S. kick-ass concert at The Bowery last night. I flew up from Nebraska and it was well worth it.

Angelica Cordero

The fact that you even had to address this is infuriating.

Janet in Georgia

Amanda. I’m so sorry what people are saying and I cannot even begin to begin to respond. My mind is infuriated. I love you. Take what time you need for everything. ESPECIALLY FOR ASH. You do NOT NEED TO EXPLAIN your choice of what you choose to share and NOT share. It’s no one’s business. I WILL BE HERE.

Bethany Olson

I saw this comment yesterday and it made me so sad. I know what it’s like trying to parent a kid as an older mom and not lose yourself in it. But at the same time it’s the most important job you have. Finding balance is hard. But as I said yesterday. We are entitled to your art. We are NOT entitled to you. What you give us is done from love and joy and NOT from obligation. I’m still here. I still see you and love you so very much.

Rhiannon

I do not believe at all that your family situation is any of our business. I think you give us plenty. A lot more than some other people on Patreon. I’m sorry you’ve had to address this.

Patti C

Be you, AFP. The negative voices who don’t understand where you are coming from have their own motives. Let them lie. Do your thing, keep thanging. We who get this whole big bundle of messinesses that is being human remain with you.

Monster Zine

This was rough to read. It feels really gross that people have this level of entitlement to people on the other side of the Patreon. Because the creators are that: people. They are humans. They have lives. It is hard to deal with this daily hustle of creating. No one has to stay if it’s not working for them and everyone’s process and availability is going to change over the years. People have children. People have variability in their health. I can tell that this comment came from a place of good intention and caring but that doesn’t mean that it is not harmful.

Stacy Litwin

I'm sorry but what?? How could you possibly give us more of yourself than you do now? You're constantly in communication with us, it's Ash and Patreon, and now occasionally Brian lol, but where else do they think you're spending your time? Please do not feel the need to espouse more of yourself, we get plenty

Dave R

You do you. You are ALLOWED to take care of yourself and your family FIRST. It is none of our business to pry into your family situation. Our choice of things are allowed to be private and others should respect that boundary. Paetrons do not own you. You GOT this. Positive vibes your way.

Tal Edmunds

I am your patron because I love your work and I want to help support you and your work. I am not entitled to intimate details of your life simply because I help financially support your work. Please look after yourself and your family. That is what I, as your patron, want from you.

Justin Wendzicki

If I think about parasocial relationships between artist and fan/patron, it's clear to me that you (Amanda) give way more than most...perhaps even too much at times. Even during the past few years I feel like you have given so much and have let us into your world in so many ways. I can think of several moments throughout the pandemic where what you put out into the universe helped to keep me going. And to continue to even attempt to create or be creative in these times is so hard. I've felt a complete drain on my creative reserves personally, and I'm so thoroughly in awe of what you've remained capable of and committed to putting out there in light of everything. People are always going to want more. I think it shows a lot of wisdom and self awareness to know where that boundary is, and I respect you even more for setting it and maintaining it.

Jake Marcus

Never been so glad I rarely read the comments. I am supporting Amanda Palmer THE ARTIST. If my patronage supports Amanda Palmer THE PERSON I am glad. The person makes the art. But I have NO right to the personal details of the artist’s life. What you (Amanda) choose to share of your life is a gift. It is not something to which I am entitled. That said, I worry. Having met and talked to you. Having my 15 minutes of thrilling intimacy at a yoga retreat. These things make me care that you are well. But I would never demand information about your private life. Never.

Heidi

Hi Amanda - I know the chances of you seeing this is very low, considering how fast the responses are coming in. But I just want to tell you: You are doing great. I became a mother one year before you did. I had no idea how becoming a mother would change my life. The idea that people are harassing you over your intimate relationships (and your supposed lack of an intimate relationship with your fans) is outrageous. But it also makes me feel known and seen. See, the fact is, I've been your Patreon since the very beginning. Every month, without fail. And yet, I have not read all your updates. I haven't even - I am ashamed to admit - listened to all the new songs you've released in that time. Isn't that outrageous? I subscribe to your Patreon and I don't even listen to all the music! Why? Because I simply forget. Life is busy. I download and save and leave that email in my inbox, all with better intentions to getting to that tomorrow. And just like so many other things in my life - crochet, and the three novels on my bedside table, and Fallout 78, and my exercise bike - those songs and best intentions to listen are forgotten and eaten up by what I've made my priorities: my son and my mental health. So when someone calls you out for not engaging with the community enough or not telling us more about the most painful parts of your life, I have to roll my eyes and laugh. I haven't been holding up my end of this relationship (and my part is a HELL of a lot easier). I've hardly read your life updates and I've never commented. And yet, I love you and continue to follow because I know you'll be here for me when I'm ready. When I have the time. And I hope you know the same of us.

Maria Fagerlund

Aww everyone. Please be patient and loving with yourselves and each other.

Beth

I love you Amanda. Do not apologize for putting yourself (and Ash) first. These past two years have been so hard for so many of us, and I must admit I kind of "zoned out" from the Patreon. I skimmed your emails, and never clicked through to comment or even heart your posts because I didn't have the energy. But it was always nice to hear something from you, to know that you were still there even if I couldn't connect with you in the same way as before. And I know it won't be like this forever. One day I'll have that space for you again, and I know you'll welcome me back with open arms. And the same is true in reverse. You are here for us and we are here for you, always.

Janelle

I honestly don't know what to say other than I am stunned by Maggie's comment.

Stephanie Quinlan

Holy fucking hell. The fucking nerve and sheer gall of some people. Amanda, I know you know this, but I'm saying it so you know you're loved and supported. You don't owe anyone any info about your personal life , at all, ever. It doesn't fucking matter how much you shared in the past. You are allowed to change your mind at any time about how much you share. Anyone who thinks they have the right to demand that of you needs to take a very long look at themselves to figure how they came to be so entitled, crass and utterly lacking in empathy. And anyone who thinks you haven't been paying attention to the Patreon community simply hasn't been paying attention themselves. I love and cherish your presence here.

Katie Ní Mhaoláin

There is not a single person in this community that is entitled to the deep, personal information that is being asked for in those comments. Not a single one of us has the right to demand information about your personal life, or even for engagement from you. You share what you want to share with us, and that's more than enough. You are absolutely, 1000% in the right by prioritising your child over all else. You are completely within your rights to withhold information about your relationship from the public. We don't need any of that information, it's irrelevant, and asking for it under the guise of concern is just flat out rude. Please take care of yourself xx

Natalie Briggs

I literally cannot even comprehend having this level of fucking entitlement to a person who, despite how much they may choose to share with you, is at the end of the day not your friend. (Amanda I love you but I recognize my relationship with you is one of a celebrity and not my friend albeit a cooler one than most celebrities.) Even demanding this of a friend is kind of gross if somewhat more understandable. On top of that to say you don't know how Amanda is doing or feeling or that she's not sharing really feels like you're not even reading. I could have made an educated guess of the answer of any of those questions before she had to sit down and spell them out for you. That's called reading comprehension.

Aimsel Ponti

thanks for sharing all of this. Lots to think about.lots. For the moment I find myself thinking about Aslan and turkish delight (which I've never actually had). xxx p.s. and tell Ash a gal from Maine has a cool thing for him which he'll love that was meant for delivery a few months ago but that covid had other plans for.

Fanny von B

Personally I've always appreciated your honesty and respected what you choose to share and actually when you say your tired it makes me feel more in tune with the world. EVEN Amanda is tired, maybe I'll be OK. I don't think this community was ever about picking apart the intimate details of your life, but instead a relationship of trust. You're work has been such an important part of my life and I'm so thankful for that. Thank you for the art and what you chose to share. Sending love and endless support. 💜

Valerie Jaruzel

I think it’s awesome you’ve held your boundary-love-guardian around your family life. I personally value privacy very much, especially around my children. No one is entitled to that. Cheers and hugs to you. 🤍🤍

Emily Harris

Oof, that was a rough read. You are allowed to take things slow and reflect inward rather than shining outward while your batteries are recharging. Please keep taking care of yourself and Ash. So many of us love you, Amanda, and you are not alone. ❤

Rebecca Strout Letourneau

All I can say is THANK YOU ANGEL for saying exactly what I was thinking while reading that comment. I can’t speak for everyone else but I joined this Patreon for the art and the community, not for open access to every private detail of Amanda’s life. I seriously don’t know how you could have given us more than you have these past couple of years, and I don’t know where someone gets off demanding more of you in this community that’s completely OPTIONAL to be in. Like is it really that they demand more, or that they’re just tired of the same phrases on repeat? Either way, check yourself, and remember Amanda is a fucking human just like the rest of us.

Brody

Kudos to you for writing a level-headed and thoughtful response to what was an incredibly entitled comment. People are not entitled to your personal attention when they choose to give you money. Artists are not…uh…coin-operated, as it were, obligated to steer into the wind of other people’s expectations and misplaced feelings of ownership. I wonder if they demand the same performance from their friends and family?

Russ Grazier

You've said everything I wanted to say, Monster Zine, only more eloquently. Ugh is all I come up with. There's a lot of love for you here, Amanda. I hope that helps.

Turtles

Love you! And love the comment about giving and taking what you need from this patronage-friendship, in an ENM way. I'll be honest I don't read half the writing on the patreon, because actually you release a lot and I'm busy with a boring grown up job. But I stick around supporting the patreon and reading when I can - and always checking out the new music releases - because I remember the time twenty years ago when I was an angsty teenager with a pirated CD of music that spoke so much to me. I don't think any relationship is equally give and take at any moment in time, and I don't think you've abandoned the patreon. It does seem though that that comment was written with love not malice... I hope the commenter is able to stick around <3

Rania Webber

Holy shit at the few comments so far. Here is AFP taking the time to respond, and actually tackling the feelings the comments brought up - and even speaking about her interpretation of the place the commenter is coming from (love and community) and you are all talking about entitlement. I'm glad difficult conversations are being had, I'm glad patrons can be truthful and that Amanda can be truthful back, it feels normal and sane, what we should all be doing. Thank you for tackling the difficult feelings, Amanda, and for responding. Thank you for sharing what you wish to share and thank you for protecting your son from the otherwise-unregulated openness of the internet. I'm glad I know little about your marriage/partnership - I never cared one way or the other (not in a mean way, just in a "I'm just here for the music" kind of way). The rest of the art is a bonus. And the rest of the (for lack of a better word) drama is just ignorable :) Much love. Rania

Static Candy

It's sad to think people actually feel entitled to be constantly entertained, I for one couldn't care less how often or little we hear from you because in the grand scheme of things your music has kept me sane and helped more than you could ever realise and I'm sure many others feel the same. We are grateful for everything you have ever given us as I hope most of us truly expect nothing in return. We are fans and followers and everything in between and as such it's not for us to demand stuff just be grateful for what we have been given x

Hunter James

Thank you for sharing. I'm sorry you had to take time out of your day to address selfish comments like that. Internet relationships can be such a tightrope to walk, but you always do it with Grace and humility.

Jeanette Eckert

I second what Angel said. No one has any right to demand access to your personal life, even if you chose to share it before. Even if they're a patron. Full stop, the end. Many people want to keep artists under glass and/or freeze them in a moment of time. People grow and evolve, the world changes and it changes us. Just do what you need to do for you and your kiddo. Life is too short for anything else! 😘

Rebecca Brisbin

I joined the Patreon after your last tour, right before Covid changed our lives. I’ve read about you before and read a lot of in-depth, personal things. I think it was very kind of you to take the time to respond the way you did, but I also feel like these people were out of line. Maybe it’s because I’m a writer myself who shares very openly, maybe it’s because I don’t worship you’re every being, but came here out of respect to support a person who I believe in and is doing amazing things. But I think it’s cruel when someone is bleeding out all over the place to start pricking their body all over with knives because the blood flow has slowed. Does that makes sense? Please continue to take time for you, please continue to be the best mother you can be. As a child who grew up without one, I can say it warms my heart tremendously to see the shift and the way you put him first. I don’t read everything you write, sometimes it’s too much for me, too hard for me, because I have my own struggles. These letters from your community, demanding access to you feel wrong. It hurts my heart to see. You have been sharing, continually, and Amanda, you are enough. In this moment, and all that come after, you are enough. I hope you can look in the mirror and tell yourself that, because it is the truth. You are enough. You are a human being. You are doing the best you can. You are protecting yourself and your son. You are nurturing your wounds. You are alive. You are breathing, and sometimes, in some moments, all we can do is breathe and keep breathing, and when that’s all you can do, you are still absolutely enough.

Angel Rosen

I am still upset about this. I am sorry, Amanda. I love you. I will always have your back. You are enough. You are doing enough. See you soon, ❤️

Emma Willis

Just want to send love. Love Love Love. I share less now too, the older they get…the more you kinda have to. I think back to cringe blog posts I wrote years ago about deeply personal opinions (I remember deeply hurting my Dad when I talked about several times he had smacked me as a child and the impact it had). Now I feel a bit weird posting about them (the kids) or photos or anything. I see friends who always hide their child’s face or never post pics and wonder if I should’ve done that. Sorry you had to go through all those feeling reading that (the comment), imagining it is giving me a headache. Angel totes hit the nail on the head.

Janine Eden

I've just come out of my "zombie patreon" state to comment on this. The patron do not own the artists and the artists are not indentured, they are not required to share their owned lives.

Lee Harris

Love you and your beautiful, radical authenticity Amanda, even though you never owe any of us that.

Kelley H

I found your Patreon recently so I don't have the before times Amanda to compare to, but you shared enough in the first few posts I read that I connected with you, related to you and feel stronger and more human after reading everything you write. Sharing is a tricky balance and I think you manage it beautifully.

Laurie

I support the ebb and flow coming from Amanda F Palmer - nothing is linear and as a member of Patreon you're only entitled to what she can share and when. This isn't about YOU - it is about her. I applaud what she is doing.

John Contarino

This is just flat out weird. Yes, the lines get blurred when your life is on public display, whether as a celebrity, influencer or Patreon creator. But that doesn't make you a character and your life a serialized story. Your monthly payments don't allow you to objectify the people you sponsor. A line has been crossed here and it feels icky.

Joannah Adams

Relationships within your personal sphere are yours & the individual (s) involved alone. I personally have no expectations that you will/ should divulge those details to us, your artistic patrons. Personally, I have some hard stuff going on that I don’t consider anyone else’s business & my friends support me in that 100%. I hope & trust that you have those people too. It’s absolutely affected my ability to create in my way (I’m a yarn slut myself) & I understand that similar personal experiences will affect you in similar ways. Yet, you have given us ART in our / your darkest hours, and for that I am so grateful. Please don’t let the cult of celebrity make you feel as if you are bound by some weird contract to divulge your personal experience as a mother, partner, or band member to the wider world. Most of us are here for your ART. And it’s wonderful when you are able to give it. Please remember, on the days when you only have 20%, and you give 20%, you have given 100%. I’m struggling to remember that myself atm, but you help ♥️

Samaire Wynne

I know you cannot talk about your romantic relationship with Neil, but as a fan of both of you who found my way to you from Neil, I wish so much that there were one or two mentions of him on your patron posts. Tiny things, that don't matter to many, matter to us. A picture of a shoe. A picture of a toothbrush. A sentence about a shared meal. A picture of his hat. A mention of his little workshop in the Woodstock forest outback. Anything. Even "Neil is fine" — we will be happy with anything. You are important to us. Ash is important to us. Neil is important to us. 🌷

Lee Harris

Life is weird, and so are we humans and our expectatios and reactions. Take good care of you and I love hearing that one of your happy moments is reading to Ash. Beautiful.

Fanny Froeliger

Wow. I mean... Wow. It was very nice of you to answer each of this person's questions in your post. I'm simply perplexed and shocked that they felt they had to ask them. Because you've been writing here. You've said all that already. We know how you feel. You let us know where you stand about things. Lately, you've published a substack article and two poems! Plus the Althing! Personaly, I've always felt that you were sharing too much. But that's just my opinion, and I can always read less, or not at all. I would never dare to ask about anything too personal. It's none of my business and you have every right to share less than you used too. Life is happening, people evolve, situations change and we have to change our behaviour accordingly. I feel that's what you've been doing and it seems right. It amazes me how people feel entitled to you personaly, because you used to share more, and the unhealthy relationship they have with your relationship with your husband. It really feels like voyeurism. I also have little patience for people who don't understand why people with children have less time for other things. I don't have children, but I've always adjusted to friends and family members welcoming a baby: of course they won't phone your every two days for an hour to talk about this and that, of course they on't be able to party every week! Good grief. I wish you a wonderful rehearsal, great concerts and just, a good time.

Janet in Georgia

RIGHT?? How can one become SO ENTITLED feeling to expect SO MUCH from someone who is basically a stranger??? Not that I think of you that way Amanda I really don’t but it IS in reality true. Yes I love you, for MANY reasons and you love us but we ARE strangers. Meeting someone a few times and reading posts online does not really count as someone who can expect anything more than some shared art whether it be in writing or song. Do they REALLY think that paying a monthly fee entitles them to any more than some form of art?? I don’t understand and it breaks my heart for you to deal with the bullshit.

Joni

I gotta say.... WHAAAAA??? With the obvious exception of the state of your love life, (which is, and I cannot state this clearly enough, quite simply none of our fucking business) I feel like the last two years have been an incredible gift of your time. The webcasts, the podcast and follow ups, the poetry (oh, the poetry)... I feel like I actually know you a little, not Amanda Fucking Palmer the Rockstar, but Amanda, the woman, the artist, the mother, the friend... I feel like we've all been through the last two years together, with you and as a community. I... Yeah, I just don't get where that's coming from. I love how much time and thought and compassion you give everything .. but that's not a recipe for "quick". And the wait has ALWAYS been worth it... But frankly, my favourite "Patron" moments are almost all non-"content" related. The magic happens in the moment, you can't plan it... So do what you gotta do. Keep putting out what you can... If all I ever "get" from you is my copy of "Empathy is Nothing..." I'll keep paying my monthly fee and feel like I got a bargain... Stand Fast.

Nikki

Trying to read the quoted messages that were sent generates this sort of blank static in my mind that folds back on its self into this screeching feedback noise that wipes out all cognitive processes. I know that everyone is the protagonist in their own story but the lack of self awareness is really mind-boggling. You don't owe them the things they're asking for. While there may be people on your life you do owe those things to, I'm sure they have ways of reaching you other than here. 💜

Janine Eden

I want to think that that these requests came from a good place, out of love and concern that Amanda is OK... but stop and think. No one has to share their inner most feelings about their most precious relationships. Some people do, good on them. Some of the best music came out of tortured relationships... but there is nothing feminist about pressuring a women to justify her decisions. Relationships are messy and unique, we all have opinions about other people's lives but the truth is most of is are wrong. May you all find happiness in your own relationships and find it easier to stay out of other people's. Xx

Taylor

As counter balance from a 28 yo mom of a differently wired almost 5 yo and a 1 yo. Unlike probably most people here I am not overly familiar with your music. I stumbled upon your Instagram in the early stages of lockdown when you were newly marooned in NZ with Ash and I only had one babe and I was D R O W N I N G in motherhood. I am here (on patreon) because of what your content is now. Because it is comforting and reassuring to me that motherhood and covid and politics and whatever the hell this period of time in life is has humbled pretty much everyone who is paying attention. So just know there’s new people here too, who arrived when you’re “content” shifted

Alfredo

I fucking love you <3

Jon

From me I offer all the love, and none of the expectaions. You do you, Amanda. That is all I personally need.

Damian Masterson

All love to the OP, but the idea that AFP doesn’t share enough is the funniest dang thing I’ve heard in a long while.

Lucy

Having a community so brutally open and honest and raw as this one is wonderful. But I think it can sometimes lead to people forgetting what boundaries are. There are people in life who might earn complete unfiltered access to your life and your heart - but that is not earned by paying a few dollars a month to a patreon, or buying CDs or concert tickets or commenting on posts. Those things are wonderful and supportive, but they do not buy you a right to know everything. The patreon tiers are very clear about what is offered at each level: I don't see "every single detail of Amanda Palmer's life" on any of them. Amanda, you share so much of yourself with us and it's one of the reasons we love you. But there will always be people asking for more, more. Never feel guilty for keeping some parts of yourself just for your closest people, and for Ash, and for you.

Kim Bowie

I support AFP because She is Wonderful. Not because I need constant input or entertainment. It's incredible to me to think that people believe their $3, $10, or whatever a month gives them the right to call the shots in another person's life and try to dictate how they spend their time. Amanda does good. She's an artist/mom (and those are the same, right?) and she cranks out enough "stuff" to satisfy just about anybody. If the past few years have taught us anything it should be to be patient and kind to one another. Try that instead of oversharing your own lack of self-awareness.

Len Tower Jr.

I'm not infuriated. Its a sad part of reality that different people acted differently than one hopes. The fact Amanda has the compassion to try & help a patron, a fan, a friend understand, to be a more compassionate human impresses me, as it has for the 16 years I've known her.

Peter (Reet) Glass

All of this just confirms why I don't get close to anyone. After almost 70 years alone, I have learned to keep everyone at a distance because I have such low self esteem. It's a good thing no one expects me to produce anything of value. Actually, I am glad NO ONE expects anything from me! I support you, though, unequivocally and financially. My love for u has no complaints nor bounds. If I knew how, i'd aspire to be like you. But even under stress, yer a better human than I. Fuck the people who bitch at you. It's like TV, they can choose not to watch. Sorry they cause you heart rendering pause. I value their feelings, but that kinda pressure you don't need!!!!! Leave Brittany alone I yell!!! I mean, my darling Amanda!! Sorry, just had dental surgery so I am already bent outta shape and offsides (I'm a flesh pretzel). I always keep you in in one of my heart pockets. Soldier on, my dear mystical musical guiding light.

Len Tower Jr.

I'm not infuriated. Its a sad part of reality that different people acted differently than one hopes. The fact Amanda has the compassion to try & help a patron, a fan, a friend understand, to be a more compassionate human impresses me, as it has for the 16 years I've known her.

Poppy Ascención

You know there’s gonna be people mad Amanda said nothing about Neil 🙄 Ugh wish I could say I’m shocked people would act this way, as if they’re entitled to someone’s entire life. Please, anyone chasing chisme, just fuck off.

Steve Miles

People change, life changes. It would be nice to go back to days of yore, but the past two years have been unprecedented. The art that Amanda created during COVID times was awesome. The use of technology to continue to create art during restrictions. COVID brought mental health to a head and we are still seeing it's effects. The Geopolitical landscape over the past few years has not helped the situation as well. A majority of the musicians that I followed and supported during COVID created virtual content as well. It helped me through the past couple of years mentally. I am just ecstatic that the Dresden Dolls are even doing a couple of shows this year. It's like a class reunion, you get to see people you have not seen in a few years. They may look a little different, act a little different but that is because they have experienced life. Anyone who has been following you for the past couple of years knows what you have been up to. They have seen the art. It's different art but it came out of a place that was different than your pre-Ash years.

Pamela Kirsch

Oh Amanda I’m so sorry that people are asking more of you than you can give. You give us so much. I saw you briefly over the summer and your hugs and light healed me for years to come. YOU ARE ENOUGH AND YOU ARE DOING ENOUGH. Also also never ever feel pressured to share anything that you are not ready to. Just as the patrons expect a safe place you should too ❤️❤️💜💜💜💓💓💓sending hugggs and kisses and can’t wait to give you the biggest squeeze next week!!!

Len Tower Jr.

I'm not infuriated. Its a sad part of reality that different people acted differently than one hopes. The fact Amanda has the compassion to try & help a patron, a fan, a friend understand, to be a more compassionate human impresses me, as it has for the 16 years I've known her.

Francine Hibiscus

WHAT ANGEL SAID. Criminy. Just looking at the volume and quality of the art you have produced since your tour ended, WHAT IN THE ENTIRETY OF SHINING FUCK! I am here to support YOU, at a sadly lower level than in the past, but the feeling remains: you owe us nothing that you don't want to share freely! Yes, I want to hear about your life, and offer virtual Auntie Hib hugs and wisdom. I don't want to *pry*. You have your priorities lined up, and they are rightly ASH, ASH, ASH, and ASH. Big love to you and and Sxip and Coco and Theo ! I am glad that you are among friends. 💗🌺

Marley Kendrick

From the start of signing up for the patreon, there's times when I've read every update and there's times where life was overwhelming and I didn't keep up. And I always kind of never expected anything one way or another....I never got round to listening to more than one podcast, I probably haven't even clicked on every song or cover if I wasn't in the mood or life was happening. But I still have been here all along and still care. Life ebbs and flows and just as I don't always have mu full attention here or in the shadow box, you and the sloths are always in my heart. That's kind of how I view it from the other direction too. Sometimes there's been lots of posts and updates and sometimes it's been quiet. Life happens. We still get so much more than from a solo artist on a label that we only heat from to promote an album and sell overpriced tickets. That's never been you, and I'm glad. The past few years have taught me the difference between people who are always there even if you don't hear from one another all the time and those who are only there for the good times and parties. I am so glad Ash is your world and your top priority,the world needs more parents like you xx

Janet in Georgia

I felt all the emotions. My first responses I was super mad. Then I tried understanding it then it moved to sadness and a heartbroken feeling. She impresses me as well as a human. One of the many reasons I’ve loved her for so long.

Kthonis

I still think sharing your pain, difficulty, and inability/desire not to share as much as you did is still tremendously valuable. One thing though, you said: > I think I need to be a whole and healed human before I can be a whole and healing artist. Maybe I am reading too much into your wording, but I think most of us go through life a little unwhole and a little unhealed; to be whole and healed is sort of to imply perfection, or an end to the process, but life is the process. Don't ever think you need to be perfect or complete for your friends and patrons etc., the imperfection and the messiness has always been what helped me feel less alone on this little ball of mud when reading your posts and listening to your work. <3

Giia Weigel

Just be YOU. That's enough. Love you.

Cyn

Dear Amanda, I love you as much as a stranger/fan/chronic oversharer who's never met you can. And I believe that of you, too. You and your partner collectively told us that neither of you would be sharing any further about your relationship. I had great respect for both of you, and also felt a deep heartbreak. And then two more hellacious years happened or two and a half, and I think most of us are broken by it. It will take time to heal, but right now the best I hope for is that the scar tissue is at least stays flexible. As a long time, low end patron, I have never felt neglected. Your ability to find time to display your humanity, your coping, your homesickness, and your beautiful child growing up on the other side of the world made this now complete hermit who is balanced on the razor's edge of homelessness feel less lonely, less strange in my fears, and remember to break out the uke and sing, both terribly, every now and then. So your critics, who have always been there, can have the same advice I've always given them. They can shove their entitlement and intrusiveness straight up their ass. It's not loving, kind, compassionate or empathetic to insist on invading the privacy of Anyone, but especially you, who I feel helped carry some of us through a real, bad, terribly, horrible time, and we're not necessarily finished with that. Please Amanda. You do you the best you can. And I love you for it. And respect your privacy. Horrified in America, but Love, Cyn.

sloan

“When this artist has healed herself, she can be what you miss and remember.” She may not be able. And that’s perfectly okay. Shedding everything you are and know like Inanna journeying through the Underworld leaves you fundamentally changed - your sense of self, relationships to others, what you value. Embrace the new shape of it all rather than contorting it to fit the last vessel. You are not for sale, or consumption. You generously share your art and perspective and life, it will ebb and flow. As Tanya Davis sings in Eulogy for You and Me, “things change, time passes, death happens.” Much love.

Grace Beaster

It’s 4.20am in Aoteaoroa and I’m awake and with you. Maybe I felt this disturbance in the force. Hedging my words about the comments that have upset you, because… WTF? The Foo Fighters song I’ll Stick Around is all I can think of shouting back in response. Thankfully Angel is evermore articulate than insomniac I. I love you, Amanda. We love you. You know who we are, because we’re written all over this Patreon. You are more than enough. Ngā mihi nui, e te tau. Aroha nui. Kia kaha.

Bod Cooke

Amanda, I love you. You have done so much to save/change my life, you will never even know. Life happens. You owe us nothing. X

Jen Avery

🖤🖤🖤 Heal, mother Ash, mother yourself (or rather lean on the friends who help fill in your gaps) and show up here as much or as little as you want. Not that you need that permission slip from any of us. Sometimes art is gestating inside and sometimes it’s flowering outside, and I’ll keep giving a few bucks a month to support whatever part of the process you’re in, even if the number of emails you send in a month in zero. I hope you have so much fun this weekend! 🖤🖤🖤

Jordan

This is so strange to me, because I don’t have enough time in my life to read about 3/4 of the Patreon posts that you put out. I feel like you are always sharing, always trying to keep in touch with us. I guess it’s just different expectations. I don’t expect you to be always available to me like you’re a close, personal friend I know “in real life” because you are an artist I enjoy and support. You are at a distance from me specifically because I only know you through your art. While that may be a very personal and meaningful connection, that doesn’t mean I’m allowed to have access to all other parts of you as a human being. The fact that you share so much of those parts of yourself with your fans is unique and your choice. Fans cannot force that from you, just as no one can force another individual in their life to share more than they want or need. Expectations are such a weird thing, and they seem to drive so much of our relationships. And sometimes, maybe we as fans aren’t getting our expectations met not because you have stopped sharing of yourself, but because we have changed, and what used to make us feel fulfilled is shifting. It’s not up to you to shift with us, to always be that source for us. It’s up to us to realistically evaluate what someone is offering us versus what we expect from them, and adjust accordingly. You seem to always be conscious of what you ask from your fans and patrons, always checking in to make sure you are not expecting more from us than we are willing to give. I hope we can do the same as we all move forward in our ever-shifting lives.

Andy Barge

Thank you so much for such an honest share, Amanda. I became a patreon because I love your art in general and your music in particular. Since I am more interested in the creation process for a piece of art than in the actual "finished outcome", Patreon is an excellent platform to witness "The Making of [insert title]". I did not, however, become a patreon with the expectation in mind that you divulge your innermost feelings unless they substantially contribute to a piece of your art, which - pun intended - is also a piece of your heart. Deevoid may be well advised to get a life.

Jen

I haven’t finished reading this yet but I just want to say as a patron who has been here since you started using this platform - I have no fucking idea what this person is talking about you connect with us in so many ways and most importantly you share your art. I will read all of this but I just had to call bullshit on the original comment because it is bullshit.

Len Tower Jr.

a: "a long view of time, trauma, justice, and healing that I never could have or would have had." congrats. an important step in growth. the lack or lateness of it in so many is a large part of why the US & most democracies are having trouble.

Lynn Robinson

FFS - some people !!! You don’t owe us your soul Amanda. We do support you as an artist, mother and a fellow human. Please , please, please - don’t continue to dwell on this side of human nature & continue to make incredible art; raise a child who is a wonderful, curious and an imaginative person . Enjoy your rehearsals in your beautiful space and enjoy every second of your upcoming gigs. Sending love , strength and support from England 🤗❤️💐

Anabel Vélez

Do what you need Amanda. No less, no more. We are here. It's your fucking life! And you always share so much. No need to give more if you can't. Just be yourself, whatever it is now. Lota of love.

Jen Kiaba

Fucking jeezus Amanda…. I wish I could make you a cup of tea and give you a hug. For what it’s worth, from where I sit you’ve been giving more than enough

Jim

I love how open you are. How much the artist in you co-exists with you as a person. How raw you are able to be. It is that which likely creates the expectation that all things should be fair game and shared. You should not need to explain or apologize for limits on what you share, especially when those subjects involve other people. The community needs to respect this. Everyone takes away something different from relationships, art, etc. Some in the community will feel entitled to more. We are not entitled to anything except what you choose to share. Thank you for being so real, which includes when you need hold back.

Monica Byrne

Oh my God. Amanda, I just wanted to say, I don't identify with the complaints at all. If anything, in the last two years, I feel like you've gone out of your way to express yourself and thank us, and everything you manage to do in spite of Everything (fundraisers, podcasts, performances) feels like a feat to me. I know it's easy to focus on the negative comments that amplify your anxieties, but...Jesus. Know that there are quite a lot of us who don't feel so entitled to your every waking thought, who are just profoundly grateful for your presence in our lives.

Nick Tepe

First off Amanda, I love you. You're awesome and amazing and I continue to be blown away by everything you do and accomplish. I've been with you since the first time I saw the Dolls in Columbus in like 2006, and I want you to keep doing what you're doing. We're about the same age and have kiddos about the same age, so I feel a strong connection to everything you're going through, and watching you process it and create art out of it helps me deal with what I'm going through too. So I'm gonna keep sending Patreon dollars your way for as long as you'll keep taking them to make sure you can keep doing what you're doing. Because it helps me too. So with that out of the way, this person's comments are just way out of line. You don't owe us anything more than what you're doing, which is IMMENSE. If people feel like they're not getting enough out of their support for you, they can leave. Those of us who see what you're putting out there and the effort you're putting into your art and your life will still be here. I also take issue with this person's idea that they apparently are owed some sort of special access to your life because you're on Patreon. You get to decide what and how much you share, and if someone doesn't think you're doing enough then they should stop supporting you this way. We'll all still be here with you. You are doing enough. YOU are more than enough. Your art and your existence helps me and others more than you could imagine. Thank you.

Bethany Olson

She’ll see it. She reads all the comments and often responds to them. She’s the most engaged artist I’ve ever known of.

Len Tower Jr.

What Bethany said, with the note that reading each comment doesn't mean she'll respond to each one.

Phil

I write here rarely, but I will say this: I support you financially because this is the best model I've seen to encourage interesting people to continue doing interesting things. If I always got exactly what I expected and thought I wanted, that would not be interesting. If you were still doing the same schtick you were peddling in 2007, that wouldn't still be interesting. If *I* were still doing the same schtick I was doing in 2007, I'd bore the fuck out of myself. Grow. Do. Check in when you can. I know more about you than I do anyone in my own family, so I'm not anxious about your withdrawal just yet.

Mike Javorsky

You know, I suppose we’re each allowed to think of this differently, but the reason I stay a member of your Patreon, Amanda, is simply because your artistic voice is one that I want in my world. Sometimes you share songs, sometimes you share stories, sometimes you share other kinds of art, and sometimes you just share what’s going on in your life. To me, all of that counts for something. I love that I get this window into the life and soul of someone whose albums I listen to. You do not get that with every artist, and I don’t want it from every artist. But to me, seeing both the human and the art is a different kind of experience from engaging with lots of the other media that’s out there. At a moment when so much in the world here in the US seems out of our control, one of the only things I can control is what I choose to bring into and keep in my life. So at least for me, everything you’ve shared is perfect. I never expected Amanda the Art Machine. The fact that everything you share is an extension of Amanda the Person is what I love. And to Deevoid, if they’re reading, you’re not wrong to wish for more, but I’d encourage you to keep in mind that every relationship is a two way street. You can be frustrated and Amanda can feel how she feels and both of you have truly valid feelings! I think one of life’s hardest lessons is that people deserve the right to be the person they want and the best the rest of us can do as not-that-person is to decide whether or not we want to put effort into that relationship. And if you don’t want to put that effort in today but might want to tomorrow, just like Amanda said, you are free to make that choice. But I would encourage you to think of it as less of a “goodbye, I’m done with her” and more of a “our relationship isn’t good for both of us right now, and until it is good for both of us again, maybe a pause is in order.” We can disagree without faulting or hurting each other. Though frankly, America as a whole is not doing great with that idea right now.

Dana M

I rarely comment but I find the comment from Deevoid so obnox on so many levels. I have not felt abandoned by you as a Patreon member. I think you've provided lots of updates over the last 2 years. Also, if you wanted to never provide updates that would be okay - I support several artists who rarely give detailed life updates but I know my small pledge is supporting them and their work in the real world and that's enough. Supporting you or any creator is optional and if they aren't happy they can always stop being a supporter. Please keep prioritizing yourself and Ash.

Isabel Ballan

Dear Amanda, I joined your patreon right around the start of covid, and I have constantly been grateful for the ways in which you share with all of us. You’ve felt like a hand held out in a dark time, even as you yourself go through a dark time. This is how I have received you. This is how I feel your love. So thank you, thank you, thank you.

AnnaLatchman

Wow. I usually read these posts from my email and rarely read comments unless you invite us. You've been posting and talking to us so much, I can't believe the audacity to say the opposite. Have I been concerned about you? Yes. Do I need to know the detail and gossip? Absolutely not. I love you, continue as you were x

Len Tower Jr.

Sadly, just another comment of not-understanding she gets from some humans. More frequent than any of us would like.

Anna Nolan

Count me in as a satisfied and happy patron who enjoys every post as a treat, a piece of art, a moment of an artist’s life worth contemplation. I respect your boundaries and will continue to support you, Amanda!

Bethany Olson

Also, my pediatrician said pizza for dinner is fine. (It’s often all I can get my daughter to eat). He said as long as she also eats snack veggies like carrots she’ll be ok. But it’s hard teaching a kid to eat healthy when I’m used to eating on the run.

Robert Hays

Interesting... I understand the origins of this, however, I don't feel that way at all. I'm old. And I think about what I share because I have people at work and home (and a 32 year old son). I recommend your book at work to my team members. I felt you were posting quite a lot. I also felt you were posting creative things regularly (which is why I'm on Patreon, for you in this case). So I've been satisfied. I expect artists will go through feast / famine periods (my spouse is a painter, and I compose music for a hobby). So I hope you can continue to create new things and be active.

Cornelia

I trust the process. I am not here for any gossip. Your lyrics have always been the part that was most powerful to me. And you will use this power to write about your life. I don’t meet to hear the mundaneness of life - artists have always been able to speak the unspeakable. Using metaphors, allegories, distortion, stories…. All these “tools” are available to you, Amanda, and I trust you will use them when the time comes to “exhale”, as you say.

Nicholas

This makes me angry, I have to comment. I have never considered the Patron arrangement as ownership or owed 'rights to know' - but then I'm only on the tiny tier and have been for years- perhaps the upper tiers expect more, who knows. Anyway, it seems to me that any person has a basic human right to their privacy and dignity and that the sharing of such is entirely up to them. I'm here for the art and humanity, and because I've got good taste. You do you however the fk you want AFP (and anyone else). And, almost incidently, I will say that as a parent life is changed forever by being responsible for children. I was astonished to find that I was no longer the center of my own universe, when I held my newborn son in my arms 20 odd years ago:) As always, love and hugs from the UK.

Grace Beaster

Len, you are lovely. Your comment helped smooth the troubled waters roiling inside me over this.

Maria

Amanda, I am here for your art, the art that you've created and the art you will create. Anything else you share is a bonus - I love hearing about Ash, seeing photos of your adventures, and hearing a bit of your day to day, but at no moment do I feel entitled to receiving this information, and would never-ever feel cheated or taken advantage of for not receiving it. As I personally pull myself out of nearly three long and painful years I can say I completely understand the silence. Reflecting on it, I find myself so fortunate to have people by my side that understand silence as part of my process and don't push for details, because they know there's pain/fear/anxiety behind it and I'll share more when I'm ready. I hope you feel (I know you do) the care and love from people who remain here to support you because we appreciate you and what you do - and who don't need to know details to understand ❤️

Ana Baird

Hey Amanda, I hear you. I see you. that's ok. I send to you all the love that is in everything. I send to you blessings of self love, of self understanding, of patience. It's really important for us artists to stay connected to our hearts and your needs. we give ourselves to the world. we have to take good care of what we are giving. I trust you. I love you. take your time. trust is an exercise. I trust human kind. we are learning. love will prevail. send to you a song made in Brazil, my country who just now is going back to a path of love. we win the elections. love win the war. my trust is up! I'm sending this to you also. this victory, this trust in love. this song means Nothing can stop the spring to come ( kind of, bad translation... sorry) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJDW8yWjBGc

Leta Blake

I love you. You give so much. You've given me much more than I've ever given you with my paltry monthly donation. I don't know how you give so much, and I won't ever ask for more. Just so much gratitude to you.

Bethany Olson

IKR? How is Amanda obligated to share her sorrows or traumas and ESPECIALLY her relationship with Neil. While she has a history of sharing so much, some things are private for a reason. Don’t people understand that talking about Neil is talking about Ash’s dad? That could fuck him up like mad. Protecting the child is number one. We are important but we are not entitled to everything Amanda is.

Sean Dennison

My son ate pizza every day for years and he is fine. Just sayin’.

Elizabeth Hickey

I don’t know, I understand the sentiment but the fact is that Amanda is evolving, as people do. The way she shares will also evolve. She doesn’t write about her emotional pain in the same way she did 15 years ago.

Maura Curry

O M F Gawd! I am angry and so tired of this "i used to get this from you and you owe this to me" fkn attitude🤨🤨🤨 Times Change, People fucking Change, Needs Change, Feelings Change EVERYTHING CHANGES roll with it or fuck off .... AMANDA i joined Patreon during the pandemic because i wanted to know how You and your Child were doing.... I needed to know .... it soothed my heart and filled up my reserves listening watching reading comments... YOU AMANDA consistently allow us into your private life in a way that astounds me !!!!! Watching you figure out how to BALANCE your needs your sons needs and the promises you made to your patrons taught me how to do stronger and more flexible boundaries in my own life !!!! Because of your Transparency and willingness to LayYourselfOpen and share EVERYTHING that you are going through while working thru how to do it SAFELY for yourself and ALL the people in your intimate circle I HAVE LEARNED SO MUCH !!!! I am so grateful that you still allow the $1 peeps in here cause seriously that's what i can afford.... AMANDA you have helped me process and change so much in my life and i am so FUCKIN GRATEFUL 🥹 😭😭😭 I am crying while typing this ... I personally needed you to be EXACTLY what you have been and I look forward to the EVOLUTION of you .... if it were appropriate and you were in front of me Id cover your precious face with little kisses and hug you BIG !!!! I Love You so so much !!!! 🥂 here's to AFP as is 🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳

Hanne Munkholm

OK I suck with words. Things always come out wrong. But I'll try. First of all: 🤗 I am a rather new patron from perhaps November 2019, so I don't have the history of how things used to be before that. I was very happy about the art and updates you posted back when my country was in covid lockdowns. I needed that. I also needed this post today, to calm me down and take me out of myself after a slightly upsetting day. I guess I was feeling lonely right now and your post somehow fixed that. I have been busy myself and sadly missed out on some stuff, like the last art in the mail, and I have had a feeling that you sometimes provided more content than I could absorb. So when you have been writing about slowing down a bit, I've been fine with it. In short, your content works out for me. I don't always read it all, but it is giving me something I appreciate. Of course I am slightly curious about the stuff you can't write about, but that curiosity is mine to deal with. I cannot put it as well as Angel, but I would be disappointed if you told the patrons stuff about your loved ones that they would rather have kept private. You are not our reality show. I also sense through earlier post the impact of landing in a changed America with a kid basically grown up in New Zealand. This will take time. It should. Meanwhile, I do not feel that I am sitting and waiting for things to be back like they were. You're in a different place, we are all in a different place. There is no going back, we can only go forward and see where it takes us. I am still in for the ride. ❤️

Lumi Aurora Valo

I see myself, in my part as Patreon, as a support to an artist. I do it because I feel it is important that this person can do their job the way they feel is right. But that doesn't give me the right to make demands. I never had the feeling that she didn't do enough, on the contrary. In my opinion, in the face of the circumstances that have happened in her life, Amanda has shown a strength that is difficult to put into words. The last two years have taken a lot from all of us. And Amanda, while she probably almost drowned herself during this terrible time, also managed to keep a child and countless Patreons afloat. She was more than once the reason why I kept paddling. It's not a question of guilt or right, this is about humanity. Amanda can count not only on my financial support but also on my compassion, gratitude, respect and love. ❤️

Anika Hartley

💭 I get it, I get both sides. I understand the compassion and the unconditional love, and the freedom to leave and return, and how anything else can seem petty and demanding in comparison. I also understand the disappointment of an important relationship changing, of an important figure changing, nebulously withdrawing, without the communication to which we have become accustomed. I think I have a preternatural understanding of what has gone on with Amanda, and Neil, and with us. There is a divide, between those who understand the choice that Amanda made when she became a mother, and those who do not. And I say that without an ounce of judgement, because I for one, do not understand. The Amanda I first knew didn't seem like she would ever have kids, and I identified with her prolific sharing and touring and the kinds of art she made back then. I have struggled to identify with the Amanda of now. And that's OK. That's like any relationship changing. I'm still here because of what Amanda meant to me, and will always mean to me. But she's not the same person. She said motherhood wouldn't change her, but it has. I may never understand what it's like to choose parenthood, and she'll never be who she was. But we'll both keep moving forward. Whether you choose to let go, or choose to be on board; as Amanda would say, it's just a ride. 🎡

Rebecca Sunshine

I’ve always been happy with whatever you like or can share; you’re a gift. You’re doing exactly what you should be doing. Don’t let people guilt you over that.

Kathryn Sloat

Girl, you post on this Patreon SO MUCH I will never have time to read it all. I appreciate what I do get to read. You seriously do not owe us anymore. Take care of yourself, please <3

Hayley Rosenblum

Wow. There’s so much I can say, but I think I am going to choose not to say much. Expectations are a tricky beast. So are perceived obligations. Everything changes and that is okay.

coucou

It's hard to put my feelings into words... yes, you have withdrawn your emotions a bit in the last months. But I've always been worried how much you put your innermost self out into the open because you're so vulnerable this way. I highly respect that you're not only able to do it but that you've embraced it. The feeling of shared emotions is incredible for everyone involved... and incredibly addictive. I'm still treasuring when you were giving a small concert for refugees a few years ago. On a sunny day in summer I joined the audience going through a hard time in my life, sitting there silently crying to In My Mind. That day gave me the strength to carry on and I still think of it on black days. Everything you shared / did after that is a bonus - it cheered me up when you posted pictures of your life in New Zealand but it was again so deeply personal I felt like I was intruding - very grateful but worried about you getting hurt. And sometimes it felt a bit like withdrawal when some songs didn't speak to me directly. Then I realized that perhaps it's not necessarily addressed to me but I could see how it helps those that need to hear it right now. And it's good that way - otherwise neither you as an artist nor you as a person would grow. So yeah, those connecting moments have become more rare but they cheer me up the same. I don't always need the latest news of your life, I have the memories of what I need. And even with friends who are on an equal level instead of an asymmetric artist / patron relationship it's ok not always to be closely involved. You still meet after years exchanging thoughts with a glass of wine and the distance vanishes in a moment. I don't think it needs more than that and you're doing the right thing exposing yourself but not your family. And perhaps that patron of yours has the same feeling at some point and the distance vanishes for them as well.

Michael Sperry

I admit some curiosity about a number of the topics the other commenters made, but I by no means feel that because I'm a Patron that you owe anything to me other than what you are willing to post here. We pay a tiny amount of money for "access" but what that access is, is totally up to you. Like all of us, these past few years have been some form of hell for you. I'm glad that you've survived all of this. I'm glad that you still choose to share with us the stuff that you do. Perhaps the problem that those commenters have is that so much of our current lives has been upended by the events of the last few years, and they're doing a poor job of expressing how much they miss the comfort of your posts, pre-COVID, pre-world-spanning-chaos. And so they lash out, having no better way to express their pain. To those commenters I say, we feel your pain. We all feel it.

Anika Hartley

I get it, I get both sides. I understand the compassion and the unconditional love, and the freedom to leave and return, and how anything else can seem petty and demanding in comparison. I also understand the disappointment of an important relationship changing, of an important figure changing, nebulously withdrawing, without the communication to which we have become accustomed. I think I have a preternatural understanding of what has gone on with Amanda, and Neil, and with us. There is a divide, between those who understand the choice that Amanda made when she became a mother, and those who do not. And I say that without an ounce of judgement, because I for one, do not understand. The Amanda I first knew didn't seem like she would ever have kids, and I identified with her prolific sharing and touring and the kinds of art she made back then. I have struggled to identify with the Amanda of now. And that's OK. That's like any relationship changing. I'm still here because of what Amanda meant to me, and will always mean to me. But she's not the same person. She said motherhood wouldn't change her, but it has. I may never understand what it's like to choose parenthood, and she'll never be who she was. But we'll both keep moving forward. Whether you choose to let go, or choose to be on board; as Amanda would say, it's just a ride. 🎡

Marie

I’ll never understand it when people think they’re owed something because someone chose to share part of their life online. You don’t owe us anything. I’m grateful for what you choose to share.

Angelica Cordero

Absolutely. The fact that she’s going through all that she’s going through to take the time to address this is by far more than many in her position would or should do. Some may not be infuriated. Some also hold both the rage and sadness in the same hand. Having been a friend of several going through something similar to what Amanda is, it’s also ok that I can be infuriated for her. Because she, like many others in her position, owe us nothing. She’s a person just like the rest of us trying to navigate the waters of life. It’s hard enough that we all have our own stuff to handle on a day to day. To expect of her to have taken the time to do this is in disregard of her humanity. And she chose to be the bigger person. Forgive me if it incenses me to see this when time and again I see women be forced to do so.

Janet in Georgia

I am a parent so I understand the putting your child first. But I also don’t see that she hasn’t been sharing, I’ve seen ALOT of sharing on her part over the past 2 years. Also, are ANY of us the same people we were 2 years ago? Or even yesterday?

Ilana Brownstein

As an artist who also navigates motherhood, trauma, covid, chaos, the fickleness of creativity, constant change, life (life!), social injustice, politics, and on and on... I feel your points deeply, Amanda. "It's just been a nightmare from which I haven't quite awakened." Man for real. You are not a commodity. You are not a commodity. You are not a commodity. ❤️

Daniel Allen

I only joined the community in the year or two before COVID. I had the privilege of seeing the show in the Atlanta just before COVID hit and following along since then. I never got to really know the Amanda that so many people did in the mid-00's and later. I wish I had, 'cause she seems awesome. But so does this Amanda. The world only spins forward, as the playwright said. And all of us are less and far more than we were. And if things changed and they're not the same anymore, that's what things do. That's what people do. And you can either let it make you bitter or you can lean into it and try to enjoy the ride. As to the way things are now. This, in a lot of ways, is a new beginning. For almost all of us. And a beginning, in the words of Frank Herbert, is the time for taking the most delicate care that the balances are correct. Amanda seems to understand that. And to be doing it. She'll get caught up and be more active with us. Or she won't, and some things will go by the wayside. She's absolutely right when she says this is a two-way street. You can choose to travel it, choose not to, or choose to walk it sometimes when your path brings you close by. Good Wishes and Love to all.

Simon Carruth

For what it's worth, Amanda, I love you. I trust you. I admire you. I support you. I am not disappointed. My life is better - and I think the world is a better place - because you are who you are.

Deborah Beale

This is an absolutely astonishing email -- so very honest and self-examining. I wish I could just hold you. And yet -- Amanda, you also just gave me courage I need for my own struggles. Thank you.

Lyndzy Olives

The entitled feelings I get from some of these comments makes me feel ill. The world is a crazy place. You are the most active person I know on Patreon and juggle so so many things, I'm tired just trying to imagine doing all you do. 🖤

Hev

I've said it so many times to friends with children and trauma - I do not know how you do it. I couldn't do it. And that's without COVID, moving houses, trying to make a home, relationship breakdowns, everything, and fuck me, a public eye on it all too. No-one fully understands everything you, or I, or anyone, is going through. And that in itself can feel lonely. Especially when talking about it isn't possible. I've been an absent friend these last few years and I'm not sure how I'd cope, if someone said what they said to you, to me. Staying afloat is all you can do sometimes. Fuck knows I'm trying. And I see you trying, too. Keep digging your toes in. Keep your closest close. Love on your little one. Take time, and heal. Thats all you owe, and the only person you owe it to is yourself (and by extension, Ash) xxx

Christian Huble

Bananas. 🍌 Fans have and always will be, a little bit bananas. You are not my friend, Amanda fckng Palmer. You are an artist that has granted me access to a private show. You've given a gift, the pleasure and privilege of being invited as an audience to your most private, most intimate show. The art of your life. Art is life, and life is art, and by committing to leading with your vulnerability, you have blurred the lines of public and private and transformed your life onto art. Knowing that to keep your sanity, you must also keep parts of you and your family out of the show, the Spectacle of YOU, gives me peace that you'll be okay to weather the storm of this most curious form of celebrity. And the fact that I, being lucky enough to be invited to your private party most humbly as a bottom-tier lurker who joined during the pandemic, get an opportunity to peep that messy beauty, to play along as an observer in your great experiment, well that's worth the 99c or whatever I pay, to be a "patron," to show up. But Jesus MF christmastree Amanda Palmer, you are not my friend. We are humans, exchanging our gifts, however feeble and poorly wrapped. And I love you for that. Feel free to ghost us, b/c we've been sh!tty to you, but I know you're better than that. So just, be present, and ride the wave.

Adele Andersen

I'm puzzled by the questions in the comment. You communicate all the time, more than anyone I follow on Patreon, even though yes, posted in an 'I'm tired' sandwich. We know in enormous detail what your last couple of years have felt like. We know what you have learned, you talk about it all the time. You talk about your struggles every post. You talk frequently about Ash, about life, about America, about connection with Patrons. I'm desperately hoping there will be a time when you are less tired and feel like you're swimming, rather than just staying afloat. I'm here for that time when it comes, but also for the difficult times in-between x

Damian Blacklock

Amanda, I love you. That's some radical compassion in action right there. There's a line between craving insight and craving gossip that has become blurred for a number of people. Between being a fan that's entitled to something and being a supporter that meets their chosen artist in the middle of where that artist is on any given day. Those comments stung but they are just comments from human beings with a specific life experience and world view. Just like all these comments are. You are not responsible for how other people think, consume and act. That's on them. That's on us. You are just responsible for you, and we literally come here to support you being you. So continue being you, Amanda. x

EmVT

Amanda, the comments from Deevoid and Maggie seem designed to deliberately, intentionally play on your deepest fears and insecurities. Much of what was said is demonstrably untrue, or none of their business, surely they know that. And this, at a moment of joy for you when your band is once again in ascendence. Hmm. You are lovable, and you are loved, just as you are now, as you have been, and as you ever will be. You are worthy of love--your own self-love, and the love of all who encounter you! These years with Ash are precious. You are producing amazing work, and even if you weren't we would still support you. :) ❤️ I love you

Du Carniel

I would just like to say I don't feel estranged from you at all. I've had a terrible couple months due to a strain in my relationship (similar to yours, I can only guess) which kind of bled over to the rest of my life in really traumatic ways. And this has been a period where you made several webcasts, essays and videos, and I can't express how fundamental they were to keep me afloat and to give me the strength I needed to face my pain head on. Coupled with Bolsonaro's defeat on this Sunday's election (\o/), I'm finally starting to feel better. Thank you for that, and I love you.

DoodleHeart

Geez. Amanda, I'm so sorry. I've been around since 2003 and I'm not entitled to any of this. Please slow down and do what you need and want to do. Thank you for taking care of Ash. Thank you for being you. I'll be here when you're ready. In the meantime, I love you.

Zoé Grin

I feel humbled that you took the time to answer these comments. I hope all the comments below this post can reassure you in some way, that we all have your back though for different reasons and from different places, and that we know you are something else than a friend, and something else than a celebrity. I'm of those people who don't have the energy or time to read or listen to everything at the moment and I think it's ok? It would be ok if you were to take a break too? When I subscribed to this Patreon in the early days it was mostly out of gratitude and trust. I'm still grateful and trustful. I'm adding my voice to the chorus of people asking you to take care, whatever that means to you - crayons for Ash, music with Brian, sleep, a bath, a scented candle, a nice book. I think most of us if not all of us are so tired and hurt and scared. You are a candlelight in this ocean of darkness. Thank you.

Tym Rourke

I so resonate with where you are at, Amanda. As a parent, husband, and professional something-or-other engaging in the world, there is just too much pulling at me from across multiple universes to keep the train of life on the track, while the hurricane winds of whatever stress of the moment threaten to knock me over. I'm amazed I'm wearing matching socks today. The mental, emotional, and logistical acrobatics I've done to even add a comment here and maybe go eat a decent lunch today is something that is hard for people who don't occupy my life to understand. We must collectively be kind to one another, and better recognize the universe of chaos that is on even the most balanced and healthy among us right now. Do I miss you? Of course I do - hell, I miss me. I have no idea where I am, who I am, where I am going as an individual with an internal universe. I'm too busy putting my energy into the people and efforts in my life that need me. They NEED me. Maybe some day I'll pick my head up and show up in the world for myself again. But not yet. Not today. I'm one who is actually glad you aren't touring - not only for you but for myself - I'm not ready for concerts yet. I'm too tired. And missing a return to seeing you live would break my heart, even if it was the right thing for me todo. Let us all go gentle into our next moments, days, weeks, months. Meanwhile, I'm off to twist and flail through the rest of my day. Amanda - as always, much love and be well in whatever way works for you.

Jo Swift

I love you and you need to do what you need to do. No one is being forced into subscribing to your Patreon and all of us can leave any time.

Christian Huble

Also, AP... please turn this entire thread into a wicked STAN song 😂 but that's a suggestion, not a DEMAND 😂

Tessara Anchales

Our lovely Amanda - you have reached out to all of us patreons weekly throughout the pandemic despite the tumultuous realities of your life, and that constant effort you made coupled with the beautiful compassion and art you share helped me hold onto a sense of connection I otherwise would not have had. Thank you for sharing your heart even during the darkest times. We are blessed by the gods to share space with you. Light and love to you and Ash and your kin ♥️

Corinne

I love you. I see you. Your pain is so valid and your love is valid and your anger is valid. I love you. Thank you for seeing us.

Anika Hartley

It's... different. It's hard to explain. There was something more immediate about it? Raw. Unfiltered. Incautious. It wasn't... updates. It wasn't a list of important things that needed to be mentioned. It was thoughts and feelings, word vomit. Amanda needed it, but she didn't need to do it. I'll never forget reading things like "respoooosiobiloioto" back on the old Dresden Dolls Diary. That blog itself is a wonderful full circle irony of the highest magnitude. And now I see how fragile it was, what a gift it was. For those of us whose lives were changed by a different version of Amanda, we miss her, we wish we could connect to that person. And Amanda is still technically that person, so I think it's natural that some of us might be holding on tight to that. Some people only started interacting with Amanda because of exactly who she is now, and time will come when they feel disoriented by who she becomes. I think it's OK to have feelings about that. I certainly feel validated by this being discussed.

Michael Pollock

If I've learned anything about how the universe works in my time here it's sad things don't happen on my timeline. When I like it, I probably don't even notice it. But when I want change now that's rarely how it happens. 🤷‍♂️ On my good days. I accept things as they are, try and see that it's never as bad as my worst fears, and often there are numerous things to be grateful for. All I've personally ever expected from this relationship is the openness, vulnerability, and all-around beauty. That is Amanda Palmer. And that has never changed.

Ian Gazzotti

I never join someone's Patreon expecting anything more than their art, and in some cases not even that: some people I support just 'cause. When I first started following Amanda it was the time of cheerful songs and happy ukulele covers, and though lately she's been a lot more about the Sad and the Slow and the Piano I haven't stopped supporting her because I'm not here for a specific type of music... I'm here because I believe in Amanda, in her brand of honesty, and owning up to shit, and finding a way to pay the bills without having to sell your soul to a major. I certainly do not expect her to bare her soul on command just because I'm paying her tuppence. Some stuff is private, some other stuff needs to be processed before it can be made public, and other things are not secret, but... you just don't want to spend time talking about it when where's other, more pressing things to do. Like taking care of a young kid. And I also agree with one other commenter above, like, Amanda writes tons of newsletters, and they usually end piling up in my inbox because they're all so damn long and I can't read them all in one sitting, and Deevoid thinks she's not sharing enough?!

Emma Franieczek

Hi Amanda, I think lots of other have said it well by stating that we do feel that we've heard from you and we do understand. But I just wanted to add my two cents. I first met you on tour when I was 18 (15 years ago). I told you I love you and I meant it. I hugged you and you hugged me. When you released your book I met you again, you signed my copy which completely changed my life and I gave you my book, that wouldn't have existed without yours. I have seen you on tour everytime you have visited the UK. When I was struggling I wrote this in my notes: You are my cocoon When life gets tough I wrap your voice around me And it keeps me warm You are always with me, on my phone, on my bookshelf, in my DVDs, in my mind. I don't need you to tell me anything you don't want to. You have already given me so much. That's all just to say, that I still love you. And if when/if you come back to the UK, I'll be there with you.

Bethany Olson

I gotta admit that the transition from pre-kid Amanda to post-kid Amanda was not easy to understand for a lot of people. And if I were not wearing similar shoes, I wouldn’t get it either. I became a mom at age 43, about three months before Amanda had Ash. Being an older mom who is trying to generate art while parenting to the best of my ability while also juggling a marriage and parents who are getting older is insanely hard. Motherhood changes you, and until one wears those shoes, it’s hard to fathom. I too said I wouldn’t change. And while I’m still me, I have to be Ripley’s mom before anything else. Mostly so I don’t fuck her up like my own childhood trauma messed me up. I’m glad you’re still here though. I believe Amanda needs all the perspectives and all the views from all the different directions. You’re right. We move forward. We continue on living and doing the best we can.

Alex Pugh

This isn't a "pay for friendship" platform, that would be weird. It feels like somebody(s) ought to read the art of asking again and remember what this is. Of course there is an ebb and flow with relationships. And when moving forward, as time does, sometimes things never go back to the way they were. That's life. I'm here because of the art you have put out in your past, and how much it continues to mean to me, even after having lost my (admittedly pirated) dolls music 15 years ago and coming back to find them a decade later. I don't even have the time to READ most of the patron posts, if I'm being honest. Go and LIVE your life. If it doesn't make it onto Patreon, that doesn't mean it didn't happen, it doesn't mean it's not important, and it doesn't deserve any less support. I'll be here forever unless I suddenly find myself DEAD ASS BROKE. Be you, I hope to catch you guys in LA if I can snag a ticket. All the love.

Coila

As someone who frequently “overshares,” I understand why it can be harmful to people in your life and I have so respected your ability to keep mum about the things you need to be. I almost posted to the effect of “because I have a child, I know…” but I’ve never totally bought into that way of looking at the world. It’s like anything where unless you’re Doing The Thing you don’t get allll the details but it’s not something that can’t be understood. Having a child during the pandemic with no partner meant you were the only other one in his world. That means 24/7 parenting… it’s not complicated to understand. And children are people with thoughts, feelings, etc who need their parents more than they need anyone else. I think most of us might have had some things easier if we had a parent so was able to and did show up for us in the ways you were able to for Ash! I’m glad for him. Plus…you’re releasing art, doing web casts. I see you and I’m really impressed. Thank you for sharing all that you’re able to with us!

Rhiannon Marshall

Oh Amanda, Reading this on my walk home from work, before it gets too dark for me to focus on the screen light, made me feel so angry, protective of you & sad (I will confess to it bringing tears to my eyes). Angel's post put everything so eloquently that my defensive self would have come to eventually. I have a couple of people here on Patreon who I am happy to see get a little of my money every month even if they can't put out content at all because their month might have been a bad one for their mental health because my support for them goes beyond what they can give to me. My Patreon support is for those who I want to give something back to them. Your posts during lockdown from NZ gave me hope, when things here in the UK looked bleak. I became a first-time mum (& a single mum at that) during lockdown. While we live with my parents, so I wasn't alone, seeing you living through the single parenting thing made me feel less alone given that lockdowns meant I didn't really get to connect with other parents. Since going back to work I have found juggling that with parenthood mentally challenging. Again, seeing you having to find the right balance & not finding it easy has helped with how isolated I feel. My inbox here is always open to you if you need a chat (& to anyone else reading this who feels the same way tbh). I see you, mumma, & you are doing amazing. We've got this (even if it sometimes feels like we don't & that we are wading through treacle). Sending so much love xxx

Coila

It feels a little like being annoyed at a friend who won’t play basketball with you anymore. Like yeah, their leg is broken but it has been for months! Wondering if we’ll ever be able to play together again the way we did! Truth is, they may not be able to… but they probably just need more time to heal…

Mike C.

❤️❤️❤️ just be you thx

Jodina Meehan

Amanda, I am sitting here crying right now as I respond…the first thing is, THANK YOU. Thank you for sitting down and writing out what I have wanted to be able to say to all those, over the past two years, who have said to ME: “So…I get that you are a single mom, full time worker, full time artist and singer, who is struggling during a pandemic to single-handedly keep the bills paid, the kids fed, the kids schooled, and not die from a deadly disease all while somehow writing a book and performing music, I mean I do…but…why can’t you do X for me???” They DO NOT get it. But I do. Because I’ve lived it. And the second thing I want to say is, THANK YOU. Thank you for not giving up, for continuing to write to us, through it all, about what your reality is as a mother/artist/lover/musician/human, what it’s really like, how the hell you possibly do it all, and how it feels when you can’t do it all. Because your words and images, over the past two years, are what has kept me going, allowed me to fucking try to DO IT ALL and not want to kill myself when I “fail.” Or…when others try to tell me I’m “failing.” Yeah, I’ve had many tell me how badly I’m falling short iin the past two years…but strangely…none of them were single moms. HA! Third things is…I LOVE YOU. - Jodina in Vermont

Trey Tristain

I know you care about us all, but what gives them the right? No one should be required to have their every thought put on display for others to pick apart. I have problems sharing in general with those that I love and are close. I’m always amazed with how much you share with us even to this very day. If someone believes you are not sharing enough, maybe they should look inward and determine why they need this since there is no reason for you not to have a bit of privacy.

Janet in Georgia

Well you’re entitled to your feelings. I have been an Amanda fan since around 2005-6? I don’t know. But I came into her world already a mother. I am 44 now, with 4 children, the first one which was placed for adoption in my teens, and youngest being 10. I understand a lot of her life changes, and I too miss the old Amanda (and the old me haha) but I also understand everyone changes and grows and that you can’t expect someone to remain frozen in time as a twentysomething person child and carefree forever!! She has every right to evolve and change and grow and share and not share and hide and run naked in the spotlight IF and when she chooses. Feel your feelings but don’t expect a person to share every aspect of their PERSONAL life with strangers is all I was saying. I love you Amanda and I’ll say it all day if need be.

Beau Ranheim

I don't understand the sentiment at all. I am here for what you give, and I am not interested in taking anything more out of it. Whether I agree or not with your positions, emotions, etc isn't the point. I am here for your particular thought at any particular time you feel the need to share them.

MPB

Hi Amanda, thank you for sharing this. I've been a Patreon for many years now and it upsets me to read comments like the one from Deevoid. please just know that I (and I know many others commenting here) do not feel that way. I don't have anything that insightful to add here other than that I love you and appreciate everything you share with us. As for me, I just moved to LA a couple months ago after living in Boston for over 20 years -- it scared the shit out of me but it's made me so much braver and confident and vibrant already -- hoping to see you at the New Years show. Sending peace and love in the meantime.

Robert Fayle

Amanda, you have my unconditional support. Patreon membership is a choice and if people don't feel it is valuable then they can downgrade or leave. Hugs

Matilde negri

I think this is the second or maybe the third time i post something here…well i just felt this time i might add something too. You have been part of my life in a peculiar way since i was 16. Like one of those friends you don’t really meet much often, but you truly love and esteem. And I’ve always known you were su busy giving something to the world, something so big that I can barely imagine the required effort to do such a wonderful thing. I’ve never had the strength to share some of “my art” (actually I don’t even have the courage to call what I do “art”) or some of my deep feelings in public (online or offline. Sometimes i regret it. Sometimes i just think i used all this spared energy for loving more the people around me, and it’s fine like that. That's the way i am. That’s life. And life can get darker, and i feel it has become a bit darker for any human being on earth, in the last years. The last year has been the worst year of my entire life. I could barely recognize myself and what i saw everyday in the mirror was a person who hadn’t enough resources to change the situation. And reading your posts here made me think you felt someway the same. Sometimes you just don’t have the energy to make everything work, to be cheerful, to smile to anyone you meet on your way, even if you really would love to. Then it happened. After more than a year of struggling it was over (or at least, suddenly it was really better) I’ve never planned that. It just happened. It happened without the will of doing it. The time had come. And some weeks later you posted a wonderful artwork with your quote “when you can't joke about the darkness of life that's when the darkness takes over” i found that so perfect to describe the period i was leaving behind… and i felt a sort of connection with you, old sister i’ve never met. Be strong Amanda. You are. We keep loving you. You will be back when it will be the right moment, I’m sure.

Anna McCotter

I see you my love. I see you. It’s just a ride. I. see. you. 🤍

Sophie Cleverly

I have to say I have completely related to all your posts about being overwhelmed and just trying to survive life and motherhood. I feel the same! I barely find time to work and I feel so guilty about it. I struggle with what to share and what to keep private as well. Although you haven't gone into your relationship details, I feel like you update us all the time and it seems like you put huge amounts of work into the Patreon. I haven't felt disconnected at all personally. Sending love!

Jessica Miller

I love you as you are where you are.

Melody

It's wild to me that people can have gone through the last three years of the world and expect more from anyone. Isn't the lesson that we're all struggling? We're all doing the best we can? And the comment that is demanding to know what's going on with Neil. Were they not there when you made one post, one comment about the situation, and the entire fucking internet blew up in misinterpretations and demonizing you? That hurt so much, as someone who loves you and follows you. Don't they know that keeping some things private is necessary, because the global online community will pick everything to pieces with their own interpretation? How can you as a feminist stay with a man who did one thing the outside world views as disastrous? As a feminist, it's your choice to make, that's the whole goddamn point. Your choice to decide what to share, who to love, how to be. Nobody is owed explanations from anyone, least of all an internet personality they're curious about. Even when it is an artist they support.

Anika Hartley

Yet weirdly enough, I do intend to be a twentysomething (minded) person child and carefree forever, sharing every aspect of my personal life with strangers 🤷😅 I don't expect or demand that of others though, but it sure is nice to have compatriots - and not to be alone in that. Thankfully none of us are alone here. There are plenty of "Deevoids" and plenty of "Angels." It has certainly highlighted a difference in perspective among the community.

Nicole Werner

Amanda-I love everything I get to read and understand everything I don’t. You haven’t abandoned shit. I literally cry every time I think about Woodstock. I NEED Woodstock, all of it. This has been a fucking year, two, threee, who knows anymore. But you’re amazing. You’re Amanda FUCKING Palmer. And you are loved.

Bethany Olson

That’s right. She’s Amanda FUCKING Palmer. I think maybe she forgets that sometimes. It’s so easy to get overwhelmed by parenting, I can only imagine how hard it must be to hold onto yourself while solo parenting. I’m grateful she addressed this, as I was really agitated by the original comment. I understood the need to connect but at the same time the miasma of entitlement was off-putting. I know she’ll read every one of these comments. I hope, Amanda, that they give you perspective and strength. I hope they remind you that you will always be Amanda FUCKING Palmer, even while you’re also Ash’s mom. I’m so proud of you, Amanda. You are fucking awesome and please never forget it. Nicole is correct. You’re amazing. And you are loved. You are *seen*. You are understood far more than you may realize. The level of empathy I have for you is off the charts.

Sam Patterson

I have loved your honest little posts during the past few years. It helps to know I’m not the only one tired, hurting, trying to keep life moving and giving my kid a life. Also, Ash is 7?! When did that happen? 😘

Doyle Casey Ray

Amanda, I’m happy to be here. You don’t owe me anything. I am happy to sit at the table and look around with wonder that I have the seat. I am a healthcare worker whose mental health suffered a tremendous amount during the past two+ years. And I am not trying to raise a human at the same time so I have NO FUCKING IDEA how just those two things can be managed, much less how you can add “fame” and creativity and personal time and, and, and, and. I’ll see you in Woodstock because I want to be in your powerful presence again. I only will take what is available and I will ask for no more.

Andrea Thomann

This comment about not living up to expectations as a persona/artist/instant bf kinda sums up the 20's perfectly for me as a Midwestern liberal. Whether it's my art or my weight or profession or spiritual beliefs or interpersonal relationships I have gotten on the radical acceptance train and have no plans to leave. Anyone else's opinion on my ability to add water instant best friend on any given Sunday is simply their opinion- full stop. Also I think many women are fed up with being seen through their health status of coupledom. If my mom interrupts me one more time in the middle of a work story to ask after my partner I swear I will scream. The patriarchy has much more to be dismantled, of course. I know you cannot be the Amanda Palmer of 2012 lest you kidnap your younger self via time teleport. I look forward to meeting the many iterations of Fucking Amanda Palmer through whatever art you find fit to share. Love Light and all that jazz.

Mareile

I‘m not only surprised someone thinks they‘re entitled to news on your private life but also how demanding they were. I‘m always happy to read whatever you are willing to share but I have no expectations. I fully understand that you need to protect Ash from any drama. You are a good artist, mother, person. I love and support you <3

Ruth Anne Arnold

disclaimer: I'm someone who barely has the energy to do important things, let alone keep up with my emails, which are generally how I keep up with your stuff here on Patreon. Not that this isn't important to me. Clearly it is, or I wouldn't be a patron. That said... I didn't end up in this crowd of people (here or at any of your shows) because I had expectations beyond the understanding that you yourself were the sometimes "the art." If you send one thing or 20, or if you write a novel or a note... you are offering up from your available resources, and if those are plentiful, then perhaps then contributions will be more robust... but if the leaves are bare and winter chill has set in, I would not be so bold as to expect a freshly picked apple from your tree. Realistically, a human cannot be "the art" ALL of the time. Even if "the art" makes people forget we are also human, and that even humans who make art from their innermost intimacies of the body mind and soul... sometimes those humans are entitled to the very real need for privacy in their autonomy. Sometimes you have to put down the "art" and step back from the stage lights... into the shadows where most of us live our lives... and do the "human experience" things. It would be hard to continue making yourself into art in the future if you don't allow yourself to continue having valid human experiences. If there is one thing I learned in recent years, it's that each journey is our own, and no one else's. Our feet hurt at the end of the day regardless of whether we tell anyone about it. Expectations be damned.

Stephanie

Amanda, you didn't have to share all this but you did and YOU DO SHARE WITH US on the reg. It's true you cannot make everyone happy. It's okay to be a slow creator and focus on your own healing and raising your little one. You're not a content machine meant to churn out art for the instant gratification of the audience. You're a human being and the people who know and love you will adjust. You know what to do. You already said it: stay slowed down. There is no hurry. Take your time. Live and create at your own pace. You are loved. Thank you for sharing your heart+art always! <3

Deborah Geffner

Wow! I know I couldn't have explained myself that well. I love you. I support you. I see you.

Sofia Lopes

Never once over these hellish years have I ceased to feel your raw honesty, your wholehearted love and your genuine concern towards this community. Don't worry—we know you care. Most of us do. And if someone went to such lengths to tell you all these things, to ask you all these questions, I'd wager they know you care, too. In some way or another, you've always answered what we've asked. You've always delivered far more than you needed to. And the fact that you took the time to hold our hands and walk through covid hell with us has been like a beacon in a time of utter, relentless darkness. You feel as much of a friend to me as you ever have. But sometimes friends need some time and space to adjust, to figure things out, and to heal. And when there's been so much significant trauma going on all over the place, well... I'd say two years are not nearly time enough to recover. I hope I'll get the chance to see you eventually, and hug you, and thank you in person for the beautiful impact you've had on my life over the time I have known you. But only when you're ready and whole. Not before. Please, take care and don't rush yourself.

amandapalmer

oh my lord. ahhhhhhhh. ughhhhhhh. thank you all...thank you. just thank you. from the bottom of my tired heart. i really love all of you. i needed to hear this. i had no idea how much. most important: so many of us are going through similar things. i forget. you remind me. i love you. so deeply.

Angela Fardo

I think what is captured here is a microcosm of what all mothers feel (or in some cases should feel and don't). It isn't just about you anymore. What you share is what is uniquely yours to freely share with respect for those you love who didn't choose to have their business out there for everyone to see. The most important of which is your child. The world isn't entitled to our every detail even when they are patrons of our work. Who knew that crowd funding could at times be as harsh a task master as a corporate overlord? Would your employer ask about your break up? How would you feel if they did? As artists, we get to choose what we are ready to process and share and at precisely the right time for us as artists. You get to decide that now and always. I have enjoyed watching you grow and learn through the love of Ash. It's lovely. Xoxo from San Diego

Joanne Scott

I see you Amanda. I hug you from afar. I need nothing from you but your existence on this earth, I play your music, the songs you seemed to write just for me, just for each of us. I see your need for space, for healing, for learning, as we all are, to be in this new world that still changes around us every day. I see you . . . I see you 🌷

Rhianne

I only have a small blog that no one reads but putting myself out there on that - making myself vulnerable to strangers (which really is what we are even if we do love each other ) and 'being on' to that extent is really hard! I can't imagine having to be 'on' to your scale, or the demands that you have on you just to keep this space going. So thank you for sharing what you do share, and for sharing what you could as a reply to their questions as well, you didn't have to do that and please don't rush your healing or what you need to do for yourself. I do hope you and Ash enjoy the rest of your book, I loved Narnia when I was little <3

Nora Czy

The last two years I have felt the most connected as I discovered the webchat tier and you happened to be in the same country as me which meant I could attend a lot of the shows. Throughout the pandemic as I was worried/bored in my little apartment I would often think, but at least this amazing person and her family is safe and well only a 30min ferry ride away. Like I was part of a collective protective circle. It makes me sad that you were not feeling great and struggled with loneliness when surrounded by lots of fans/friends who in their NZ way give you respect by leaving you alone. I'm sorry we couldn't be fully what you needed us to be. But you have been and shared more than I could ask ever ask for. This is why (apart from that your art is amazeballs) I rave about you to anyone who will listen. I love you and admire that you can change your focus to what matters to you. I need no more or less. Thank you for everything. Xox

Anne Morgyn

I enjoy being your patron and don't comment much due to my own life chaos but I have always relished in seeing you navigate the muck with as much grace, presence, and compassion you can muster. I am proud of you for your journey as a mother, woman and human. I am having my own parallel journey alongside you and deeply understand, honor and hold space for the process you are going through. Thank you for modeling self-care, it is truly part of the revolution in changing a world that over and over again does not value when women claim that. It is because of this that I will remain being your patron, not the opposite.

Suzanne

Oh Amanda. We see you. We love you. You're doing it right. My trip to Woodstock will be my first vacation for just myself IN DECADES. I'm strangely terrified in addition to being thrilled. Take your time. Give what you can. Your priorities are fine.

Dorit

I know that post 4pm melancholy. Long dark teatime of the soul. Thank you for your words. I'm happy to stay here for whatever really, as long as I can afford it. Keep being you, whoever that is in this moment in time. No one stays the same.

Chris Bowman

I have seen so much of my own struggles within the struggles you have shared and I have thanked you silently so many times for helping me feel less alone and have more compassion for myself. I became a brand new mother of 3 amazing foster (now officially adopted) children in Feb of 2020. We have weathered all the craziness fairly well - it took me until August of this year to process that I needed to go back to therapy instead of just pushing through while feeling like I was barely hanging on day-to-day. I was too exhausted, in survival mode and during that time, your posts started to help me see that I wasn't awful because I couldn't just "do it all"; that it was OK to be honest about being exhausted. I am grateful for those moments of self-acceptance that helped me get this far. Thank you for continuing to share what & when you're able. We are not entitled to anything from you and I hope others are able to find gratitude in what you are able to do to connect here.

Kandice Zelaskowski

I have been a member of your Patreon for a few years, but unlike Deevoid feel that I have come to know you so much more personally over the last (almost) three years. I don't need, or want, you to share the gossipy aspects of your personal life, as I too have children, and understand putting them first. I don't feel that telling us you are tired is copping out. Hell, I'm tired! I want to tell someone. You telling me makes me feel better about being tired, raw, worn out, fried myself. YOU do that for ME. YOU have done that for ME all this time. I am so happy to have you as part of my everyday life. None of us can help how we feel. All of us can help how we act. And what we say. I love YOU Amanda.

Zena Darling

Holy hell. I... think I need to come back and comment when I'm not rushing on my lunch break and have time to collect some thoughts. But just. Jeezus. You, like everyone, get to have boundaries, and a private life!

Martha Mountain

I mean this in the most positive way, even if my words sound negative. Healing is never over - it's an ongoing process and it makes your heart bigger. I don't think we're ver healed, past tense. there's alwasy something new to integrate.

Martha Mountain

AND - I lved the lell out of I refuse to be purified and have shared it widely. I gasped many times and cried a lot of happier tears. Brilliant.

Gail Gallagher

As a patron, I believe that you have shared above and beyond details of your creative process and your life. If anything, I think you should share less not more. You are a person, not a product.

Natalie

I see you. You don’t have to share every single bit of your life to share yourself for us to love. Our babies should always come first! And, although you in your Amanda way did offer an explanation for not sharing every aspect of your life, you don’t have to explain yourself. You are wonderful in all your messy imperfection and uncertainty! Also, where was that commentator when you were performing online and creating all sorts of projects even in the midst of covid and living in a new country and navigating all sorts of shit? Because you’ve been here showing up the whole time!!!

Aleisha Hobson

I truly feel like the last 2 years are such a blur. I was here, at home in Melbourne, trapped. Yet I barely reached out to friends and loved ones. I completely missed movies and shows, my kids and I spent nights awake and slept our days away because that somehow seemed less depressing than missing being able to go out in the sunshine. We missed birthdays and occasions, my husband and I passed like ships in the night because he was still able to work and I was just mum 24/7. I felt lost. We were just purely in survival mode and I feel like I squandered 2 Years of my young kids' life. In some ways I feel like I still am because we have become lazy and also reluctant to be around crowds. What I'm trying to say is it was hard enough for us "normal" people to keep communicating, I can't imagine how much it hurt to read those messages. Sometimes I don't have time to read your posts or watch your videos but I still see them and come back to them. I loved watching you record with jherek and your odd little coffee chats I managed to catch sometimes. I loved how much of your nz life you shared with us. I didn't feel abandoned at all by you, in fact I was often so thankful for what you were able to share and achieve while I lived in my pyjamas. So thank you Amanda, I can't wait til you're ready to bring the dolls back to Australia, it will be so fucking special I just know it. Xoxox

Rexington Funk

I kinda feel like you fundamentally missed the point. I agree with Deevoid, and I’ve made at least one comment about it before the last allthing. Im actually really relieved that I’m not the only one whos noticed. I think you need to really grasp the fact that the Patreon is basically your job. and it doesn’t come before your child or partner, and we’re not asking you to share what you cant. But you also cant expect to build a business on a thing and then fundamentally change that thing and not expect people to be…. Shook. It shoudnt take making you feel like shit in a comment to feel reconnected to you. I really really want you to think about how the Patreon is the job. Ive been a patreon since day one and I dont want to leave and come back. I just want you to blog about your life. I just want you to write. Slaving over 12 projects and using that as fodder as ‘see im working!’ When all we really want is to talk is missing the point. Treat this like the job that it is and figure out what you can share and do it. I loved the part where you answered his questions individually. I dont need to walk away, Amanda, I need to connect with YOU. Please dont take this as another thing draining you. The patreon should make you feel motivated and energized.

Andrew

I may be wrong, but I'm fairly certain you've told us how you're doing, how you feel, & that you miss us and art. People change and evolve and it's great to watch, and they have to realize you're fucking human. Frankly, I'm good with the Amanda that you are now because she's awesome, 2007 Amanda was awesome too, but the 2007 crowd has aged and we appreciate you. I look forward to what 2023 Amanda does.

KarenD

Hey Amanda, happy to be here and support you. Anyone not happy... you're free to make other choices too. Thanks Amanda. You are perfect and more than enough. Ignore the noise and keep going x

Stephie

i do not understand why people may think, that someone has to share all with others. even if this person shared all in the past. past is past, now is now and maybe different. you owe us nothing. this idea that you owe us something makes me cringing. it's absolutely invasive. you're amazing and i love you ❤️

Tiffany Schaefer

I feel like you are always giving us so much and for me a reminder that sometimes rest and pause is the movement we need for ourselves. You are a lighthouse whose presence doesn’t need to be defined by the ships you save by merely being. I love you Amanda and all of the connections I have discovered here, there and in the universe that love you too.

Kataklizmic Design

Ugh... those comments were so entitled. Gross. For anyone to think that being your patron is essentially paying for intimate details of your personal life beyond anything art/business-related is so warped and dehumanizing.

Wendy S. Katz

You have written eloquently, even in recent times, about things that seemed to me deep and intimate. I admire your integrity in walking the tightrope of sharing while respecting the privacy of those whose lives intersect yours. Love you.

Kataklizmic Design

Without walking a mile in someone's shoes, we should be careful about telling anyone how something "should" make them feel.

kevin reeves

Angel Rosen's comments said it as well as I could try to. It is an open relationship. If isn't working, folks should move on. We are adults and can make decisions. I don't expect anything here other than a small way of supporting an artist and person I value. What Amanda sends back out way ... is a bonus. Just my take. The other comments a bit too toxic for me. And plain unreasonable to demand of anyone. In all honesty, I wish I could give more for what I receive. Amanda, you are loved and appreciated 🤍🤘🤍

Nikki Mierjeski

I lost a relationship with a friend of over 12 years recently because she expected more out of me than what I could give. I think we’re all learning new ways of giving each other space and grace. It’s different but it needs to be done. We’re all so much stronger now but more delicate at the same time.

Willinwoods

Echo all the love. Echo all the "fuck that entitlement noise" comments. I can only hope that you answering those questions, with all that integrity and (not so well deserved) politeness, brought some small degree of catharsis... It felt emotionally painful even to read, like they were asking you to pull out your teeth, one by one. Aaarrghh! Regarding the General Weirdness of the World: I watched the documentary series 'Q - Into the Storm' recently, and it almost broke my mind... The toxicity, the mean-spirited stupidity, the willingness of people to be lead in bizarre and violent directions. I needed to know about it, understand it to some extent, but I really really wish I hadn't had to. Bless and be blessed! Love

Thomas Herlofsen

I love you for trying to address this. I love Angel for saying what she said in the way she said it. I've only been here for a few years, I'm sure the Patreon has changed a lot in a decade. I was here before Covid though, and since I got to know you a little bit the fall before that I feel like I've been with you through these three hard, hard, years. Deevoid is right in that the Patreon changed, and that you have been apologizing a lot for it. But in no way have you been radio silent. You have given us SO MUCH. And this year, you may well have saved my life. There is a thread about it in the Shadowbox, I won't repeat it here. I legit could have died this year, without what you have taught me about honesty, about daring to ask and fall and let yourself be caught. And about daring to ask and to help. And even if the people who caught me had dropped me like the sack of shit I very often felt like I was, would have survived that too, because you taught me that as well. I am alive. And happy, mostly. As are the people around me, mostly. And I have made so many Impossible choices SO well. And many of them I wouldn't have been able to make if I hadn't been watching you thinking and writing and helping and suffering out loud. And I didn't have to survive do all this shit trying to run a business and taking care of 13000 patreons, and being low key character assassinated by a sizeable part of the internet. These three years might turn out to be your MAGNUM OPUS. The amazingest of all the amazing things you have done I am a lifelong fan of Neil's too, and of course we wonder. Because we care. We want to help you right back. We know that there is pain you don't talk about. And if you need us we are here. But OF COURSE YOU DON'T HAVE TO SHARE THIS (or frankly, ANYTHING) with us. It's like before when you were anxious about taking a break and we said IT'S ALLOWED. YOU'VE EARNED IT. It's all like that. I love you so much. I want to support whatever you're doing next. Forever. And even if you decided to up and go I'd still have Phoenix and Zowie and Ellie and Rae and Mark and Pria and Angel and all the other people in your online family that have helped me stay alive. Takes a village. We are YOUR village. Or a village built in your name. But mostly we're just a village. And we will be here. (P.S: I have been a cheap and also poor bastard. Slightly wealthier so I'm upping my pledge limit to 15 bucks. I mean jaaysus. Least I can do)

Shannon Daniel

I think, for what it's worth, that being so open about your everything's can sometimes make us feel like we are entitled to know everything. Not knocking the Patreon member that feels left out. But some things, even when you shine a light on your everything, can still remain personal. You are loved and supported. This patron is also loved and supported. We are a big family of the best kind of weirdos. This patron should reach out to the community and we can be there too. These past few years have been so hard. I don't know a single person who it has been business as usual. I feel like you try hard to make us all feel included. I've been watching Ash grow and loving the posts. I've been watching you evolve and loving and crying for those moments too. We've all been bombarded with so much hatred, fear and annomosity over the past several years outside of this sphere of love and art that sometimes we take frustrations out where they don't belong. It's ok to feel alone, but reach out. We all come here for the art, but we all stay for community. At least that's my hope. Love and compassion to you all, and Amanda remember to show yourself love and compassion too. None of us can be all things to all people all the time.

Ash Lozano

Wow. This is a lot but I want to add a voice to this chorus. I want to bring another perspective here. Maybe I came a bit later to the community than some other’s here. My first album was Theatre is Evil and I loved every single bit of it, but one of the first things I think about Amanda (then and now) and what I tell people is sincerity and vulnerability. I haven’t actually noticed that much of a change in those things. Maybe the day to day is less detailed but the emotions are all there. A couple months ago now, I had a chat with Amanda and Angel and Len and a few more amazing people. I was going through a hard time cutting off from my abusive parents, and I still am. But they sat with me over my shitty internet connection, an ocean away, and gave me all the honesty and support and vulnerability I needed in that moment. My mother is dying now, repeatedly overdosing on pills after we stopped speaking and so many things are even more complicated than they were that day , but their support and encouragement was invaluable. I feel comfortable here. Being here in chat or listening to your music, Amanda, or chatting on webcast with many of you feels like a hug at the end of a long day. The way I see it, we aren’t owed some quota of Amanda’s life. We only come to this table, I think, with the idea that when we do speak, we speak honestly and perhaps more importantly, listen earnestly. I also feel like admitting when everything is too much or when there are things you can’t/don’t want to say, is one of the more vulnerable things to admit. When language fails or life becomes too messy, admitting that you have to put down the pen or the microphone or keyboard takes a lot of candor. It is easier I think keep talking, to say words without emotional honesty than to throw out your hands and say that you just don’t fucking know anymore. That it is overwhelming and confusing and you don’t know what to say about it all. That is an honest feeling. I definitely have no idea what I’m feeling. I have always thought of this *gestures broadly at our little collection of wonderful, real people* as a two way street. Our relationships aren’t one sided. I don’t expose everything here or to Amanda and I don’t expect her or anyone else to do that either. I’m just grateful for what we can say and do when we do come together. Love you Amanda. Love you all. Sam

Mollie Isaacks

Out of all the people I support on Patreon, you are one of the most prolific artists. As others have said, I often can’t keep up! You are also a human being with a life and feelings and emotions and trauma to process. I want you to have the space you need to be the artist I know you to be. I don’t agree that this Patreon is a job or that you owe us anything. I am here because I believe in you and your art, whenever it’s ready to come out. Art can’t be forced or produced in command. It comes when it comes. If the artist is dealing with trauma, there’s less room for art to grow and form into something real. That’s just life. I love that you’re here. I love that you post so much I can’t keep up. I love that you stay here, even when some don’t understand. Thank you for letting us be part of all this, whatever it is. ❤️

Marie O'Reilly

Amanda, I’m new around here, 2019, so I don’t know how things used to be. I loved you when I joined, I love you now. I wouldn’t ever used the words ‘emotionally distant’ about you. Perhaps you’re not sharing how you used to, but you’re one of the warmest people I know. And as you say, some things are different when you’re a mum. I’m here because I feel connected to you and by you to others. The Shadowbox is amazing and have helped me find myself and encouraged me through helping my teen get diagnosed with ADHD and autism. Sharing some personal things is hard. I found that out this year. In April I realised I’m autistic too. I published a blog about that in September. The response was so supportive and positive. BUT the stuff that has raised for me, that I’ve been trying to process since has been immense. I’m struggling with the after shocks of so much… and at the same time, I’m sometimes ok and sometimes joyful. There is a lot going on for you and when you’re ready to deal, you’ll deal. You may share that with us, you may not. I respect you and your choice. I love you, you are enough, you share enough, you give enough, you make enough, you love enough. May we be happy, may we be well, may we be free from suffering.

Nicole

<3 I'd love to hear more one day about this bit (if you want to share more and have time) "I used to have an inherent faith in the fundamental goodness of people that has been shifted over the last few years. "

Katja

I think Samantha Lozano above puts it quite nicely: ” we aren’t owed some quota of Amanda’s life”. Just because we are her patrons that help her make and create her art, does not mean we are somehow entitled to be privy to everything that is going on in her life. Especially when it comes to her relationship with a very private person, and where there is a child involved.

Elaine Wilson

Thank you, darling Amanda. Be well.

Charlotte Middleton

Amanda - Reading this broke my heart for you. The fact that Anyone views this Patreon as "I pay you money to divulge your every single thought to me as though it were a serial in a magazine" as opposed to "I pay to support this awesome artist and I get to hear how they're doing when they are able to let us know, but it's not my fuckin business" Jesus, people. You don't need to explain any of it.

Charlotte Middleton

... But you *don't* get it. The Patreon is to support the artist. Point fucking blank, my friend. It doesn't mean, "I pay therefore you must tell me everything" it doesn't mean "this is your Job above all else" (and jesus, my day job doesn't come above all else either!!) and it doesn't mean any of us get to dictate what she fucking does! She IS connecting. If you don't feel a connection from any of her posts, maybe the problem isn't Amanda.

Harmony Leanna Eichsteadt

Just want to say that the ongoing experiment of what it means to have this complex, multiplicity of relationships with fans and patrons is beautiful in its messiness. I have found myself less sharing, less vocal, less public as well in my tiny corner of the world. I think this is a good or maybe not good but necessary act for many of us as we face the horrors of the world in this age. I do not feel neglected. I feel reflected. I do not know the details of your life and your heart and your pain and your awakenings but I know the details of mine and I can feel the feels of your journey. I have appreciated so deeply this - the seeing the similar edges of what it means to be upended and to try to find words for a transformation while in the midst of drowning, while in the midst of trying to pour nurture and abundance into little people who need and deserve so much more than what any of us can give. Thanks for trying. Thanks for uplifting the stuff that isn't working. Thanks for standing up for yourself without being defensive. Thanks for modeling one snapshot of what it means to get broken and beat against the cliffsides again and again and still to write love poems to the sea and the air. Sending lots of love to you. Sending lots of love to your heart broken patrons who miss you. Sending lots of love to all of us as we show up incompletely, imperfectly, not enoughly. As we practice saying we need more from each other. As we practice saying we don't have more to give. As we sit and try to figure out how we move forward when everyone is exhausted and depleted and has nothing left and yet the world needs more from us to avert disasters that are maybe not avertable. Love and love and love and love to us all.

Karima

I know I can get stopped by a comment that cuts deep because somewhere in there I feel a grain of truth in it. However, I feel this is a bit of projection by others. I certainly don't feel like you aren't sharing your core. I admire your penchant for sharing your life with the world. I am not sure I would ever be so bold, even if my life were interesting to others. I am exhausted, raw and traumatized by what has happened and continues to happen in our world and country, and your words help me to be okay with it. You are doing what you need to. Thank you for sharing yourself.

Ariane Craig-Smith

I’m not sure my comment is needed, and I really should be making my kids school lunches right now and doing last night’s dishes (NZ time) but I’m adding my voice to the chorus singing ‘you are enough!’ You are beautiful and brilliant and warm and funny, and deeply kind, and I came (sometime during the long/short stretch of time that has been the last two and a half years) for your art (The live webcast recording experiences you made in the studio here in Auckland are some of my very favourite art experiences) and have stayed for your ability to be real and make us feel recognised. I don’t feel owed anything more, and feel the$6 or whatever I’m charged a month is the best bargain. And what you want to keep private is yours.

Paul Alexander

So many responses already. Amanda you owe us nothing more than you already give. Everything that deevoid asked has already been said if one just reads the emotion you put into your words. I am so grateful for everything you share and I think a majority of us would agree that anything unsaid is either implied or just not our business until the time is right for you to share it. I love you unconditionally and I hope you can learn to not be hurt by the negativity of people who don't take the time to understand what you have already said.

Dianne Pater

Wow. The audacity and parasocial entitlement to demand personal information. We choose to support artists for their art and whatever else they choose to share, choice being the key word here. We aren't purchasing access to their entire lives as part of some weird social media experiment. Real friendships have been hard enough to keep up with in this fractured, anxiety-riddled world we have been living in the last few years. Thank you, Amanda, for everything you choose to share, and for giving us a window to peer into on occasion.

EmVT

@RexingtonFunk there's more than one way to use Patreon. I think you know Amanda has been blogging about her life and writing, right? Do you really believe she hasn't? You can believe that if you want.

Dia Huizinga

Thank you, Amanda, I am not agreeing with the tone of Deevoids message, I am not a follower like they are but I rad your pain and feel bad for you. I hope things will change for the better for you. Don't lose hope. You won't lose love.

Sandra Marek

I know that I’ve only joined the collective here recently, so I have nothing to compare on the Patreon. But I’ve been in the fold of the Dresden Dolls since the first album. That being said, surely we’ve all changed, right? We’ve all reprioritized our lives? While some people have escaped the last few years relatively unharmed, I believe that most of the planet has faced unspeakable tragedy for what seems like eternity. We’ve all been grasping toward “normal” and the way things were…. But that’s so gone. We can never “go back”. I appreciate your openness, Amanda. Thank you for sharing throughout the last few years. You’ve shared some really hard, painful, and deep things to the world at large, as well as your successes and triumphs and incredible art, while battling the devastation. We have all changed in some ways, and while yes, we are hopeful for “better days”, everything is still so uncertain. We’ve been spoiled into calmness and certainty, especially in the States. Things are never going to be the same. Heal. We all need to heal, before we can come back, to whatever it is we are. Sending you all the love.

Cecilia Tan

Uhhhhhh... my main thought is: Deevoid, what the f**king f**k? I feel like Amanda serving the patreon has been a constant since the start, and even throughout the whole pandemic etc! I'm genuinely surprised. That list of questions? They're the exact ones you've basically been answering nonstop for the past six years. I think if Deevoid or any other patron feels they're somehow not getting enough attention from you, that they look at what in their lives is making them feel isolated or alienated and deal with that. Even if you could be spending 7 hours a day in the patron communication channels, it would never be "enough" for some people. This is a parasocial relationship -- there are too many of us and only One Amanda for it to be anything else, even though it feels the most like an equitable exchange a parasocial relationship can be.

AC

‘Amanda Palmer is not your bitch.’

Laura

Dianne said what I came here to say but she was much more eloquent than I would have been. We are not “entitled” to anything. We are patrons of your music and art only. Whatever else you might choose to share is gravy.

Charise Isis

I think what strikes me about this... (and many of us do this same thing)... we can have hundreds of positive supporters, comments, approval and love for the things that we do... but it will be that one mean critic that will scratch away at our soul. It will be that one mean comment, that one naysayer that will speak louder in our heads and in our hearts than all the goodness that the hundreds of others will offer. Just keep going Amanda, keep doing what you do at the pace you need to do it. Enjoy your precious life and your beautiful son... Art takes time, take as much as you need. We (the appreciative ones) will be waiting for the beauty, the heartache, the richness, the pain whenever and whatever you are willing to share and in whatever form it takes when you are ready. <3

Thomas Herlofsen

You are entitled to your opinion. In my opinion, Amanda has been exceedingly clear about the fact that things changed, and didn't turn out as anyone expected. Especially her. Have we been "shook"? Sure. I think that's very well put, actually. The FUCKING WORLD has been shook. But to criticise her for it strange to me. Lots of people have quietly left instead of hurting her. That would be my reflex, if I felt what you are feeling. But I admire you for standing your ground and making your point. And I do hope you stick around. I suspect the next few DD-flavoured Patreon months are going to be FUN.

Dianne Pater

This actually reminds me of getting my course reviews as a professor. I have piles of postcards and thank you notes, but that one student who puts in writing that they didn't like me is the one that I'm going to remember and beat myself up wondering how I could have done better for them. When I try to please everyone, I end up pleasing nobody.

Catherine Hannah

I believe you are doing absolutely everything you can do to make your Patrons feel nourished, often to rhe detriment to yourself. Anybody who doesn't like the flavor of your content can drop being a Patron until, or IF) you start putting out the flavor they like. (MASSIVE SHRUG) I think you are really honest about what you can and have been able to do. Do not let *anyone* *including YOURSELF* guilt you ibto unpacking or sharing anything you are not ready to share. Life is hard enough, for everyone. Let us have grace and breath for what is and what goodness we have to give.

Jane France

I’m here to support your art

Maura Curry

🙌🙌🙌👏👏👏👏🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳♥️♥️♥️♥️

Jane France

didn’t mean to post just that! I’m here to support your art in whatever form it takes. I don’t need to know anything that you don’t want to share. Just know that your words have often made me cry because they’ve totally hit the spot, and often made me smile. Either way, I value what you do, I understand that life has been shitty for you as it has for many of us recently, and I’ll be here for the foreseeable, offering my tiny bit of support. Xx

Kelly Adlington

I've been pretty distant from the community for a while but still feel like I get incredible insight when I read through the posts. And by that I mean...I don't understand exactly what Deevoid is talking about. Love you always.

Ian Dearden

Well played, Amanda, and such beautiful, thoughtful and empathetic responses above. We don’t “own” you, we just get to share in what you choose to share, which is as much or as little as you wish at any time. Keep doing what you need, want and must do at any time. xx

Savannah Montgomery

people’s parasocial entitlement is really upsetting to me. i’m not here to get anything from you, i’m here to give you what i can

Melissa Smith

I don't usually comment. I keep to myself, and am very introverted. Mainly because of past traumas. I am insanely private, and dont let anyone fully inside of my bubble. I understand a lot of both sides. Deevoid is missing the connection they previously felt, and they are right. That amount of connection hasn't been there (here). Deevoid wasn't about Neil or the relationship (and nobody should, that is literally nobodies business other then theirs), Just Amanda. It seems like genuine concern, and wanting to feel a similar connection to what once was. However, relationships evolve. Before Amanda was on Patreon, she wasn't, and it was different. And before that it was something else. And before that something else entirely. My last few years have also been hell... Extreme Hell. I can totally understand needing to shut people out for a while. The need to figure out what your new normal is. Things will probably never be what they were before, but the will be something great. It just may be a new great. We've all been through trauma in our lives, and times where we just needed to figure things out for a bit. Amanda is only human, and this is her turn to figure things out. As a community what we can do best is support her through her difficult time. We do not need to know every detail of what is going wrong in her life to be empathetic and care. I assume almost everyone has had a point in their life where they needed support, and needed to not explain why they needed it. Amanda, take your time. Heal. Figure out what you need, and what the new version of you is. Most of us will be here, and we are excited to see what kind of butterfly (or moth - moths are so much more beautiful aren't they?) you are becoming.

Sophie Strand

I don't know how managed to write something so wise and so tender whilst keeping all the balls (seen and unseen) up in air. Thank you for all you give and love to you as wide as the Catskill Mountains

angela b

Jeepers! Thanks, Amanda for taking the time to answer this for Deevoid (and others who may feel the same.) Speaking for myself, I see you as a distinct and separate human body on the material plane, yet joined in the ultimate reality of no separation amongst the invisible universe. I don't rely on a deep (virtual) connection with to give you a dollar or three a month. I do it cos you are an artist and I like your art. But some need more. You're right - you can't make everyone happy. Indeed, you can't MAKE anyone feel anything, we (as adults,) are all responsible for our own feelings. I imagine if you had the power to MAKE us all happy, you would probably wave your magic wand and make it so. 🪄 For now, love your life as best you can and those who are here will be here. ❤️ Sending love and understanding to everyone.

Katie Graham

amanda, your words are such a balm. your heart is so soft and your light is gentle and still glowing. i'm writing this from aotearoa, in the moments before skool starts and i can hear children's voices and laughter. but i am exhausted, the whole world is exhausted. THANK YOU for continuously showing up, for connecting, for continuing to create. BIG LOVE to you and ash x x

Maria

The original comment from Deevoid had a lot of "us patrons" talk that's making me want to chime in. I'm a patron, too, and I disagree with their take (though of course I'm just one person and so can only speak for myself). I'm a patron for the art and to support you, the artist. Honestly I'm busy as heck and I feel like I only read 1/10 posts. I don't even see all the art always. But I like that you're making it and putting it out there and I want to support that. I usually don't comment so normally you wouldn't hear from me except for in my continued patronage. I wonder how many other quiet supporter patrons there are.

ece

Just this. ❤️

Rose Elle

far out, what a hard comment to read, let alone receive your grace is a inspiration Amanda. I'm glad you're taking it all one step at a time, healing instead of barging through. 💙💙💙

Charis Loveland

I see you. I love you. What a beautiful, thoughtful response. None of us are OK, and yet here we are. It's just a ride! See you in Woodstock.

Rexington Funk

I respect all of your opinions but it doesn’t really change mine. Shes called this a job herself. And by saying what she ‘should’ feel i wasnt telling her how to feel, im suggesting that something is wrong if the patreon is feeling draining or demotivating.

PATRICIA COLE

This is why I support - and cherish - you. Honesty, openness, love. You owe us nothing and give us so much.

Cat Fox

As a fellow not-regular-reader-or-downloader, I feel this so much. I know Amanda gives more than I have time to receive, and sometimes I feel guilty, but mostly I know that just being here is enough, because Amanda says it is. I’m so glad that you were able to take the time to comment today - it means a lot to me even if it seems small to you.

Rexington Funk

It’s ok not to agree with someone all the time. I still love her, I still appreciate the work shes done. I very much was clear that I have no intention of walking away. But I’m clearly not the only one who feels this way and I believe we all do want the same thing. Just because im not fawning af doesnt mean I dont support her or that im not happy with her work. I just see Deevoid’s side.

Ash Lozano

Thank you. I wish so much I could cross the Atlantic for the Dresden Dolls show and see you and all the amazing people here. In the meantime, lots of virtual hugs <3

Melissa Marie Summerfield

I appreciate you holding up the boundaries that you need. I appreciate you saying you are tired and struggling. That is truth. It is real. And for some of us it is wonderful to see you model things we need to also work on ourselves; holding boundaries, speaking our truth of being tired and struggling. I didn’t know you in 2007, I found you through my therapist. I’vs listened to your songs, read your book and got it signed by you, went to one of your concerts in ….2017?2018? Oh somewhere in that time before Covid. You have been raw and real. I am grateful to be able to be here as your Patreon.

Len Tower Jr.

Hayley, Enjoy the shows in Woodstock. Glad you'll be there making it happen. -Len

Kristen Slovak

You are more than surviving. You are achieving, and growing, and learning, and changing and I love that about you.

Maria Lee

I support you without expectations. You have an interesting life. In my eyes you are amazing. I haven't come across anyone like you. You may not feel fearless, but to me that is what you are. You share quite a bit. I don't really expect you to be full on sharing your intimate details of your life. You do you and I am always here for you. I choose to support you, however that doesn't entitle me to anything other than what you are willing to do on here. Heck, if you posted nothing I would still support you, because I admired the heck out of you!

Anne Becker

Hey there Amanda. Hang in there, we are still here. For me, I’m just here to support your voice, no matter how long it takes for you to drag yourself back up out of the dark. Also—I still believe most people are fundamentally good. The world is rather screwed up, though, and the more screwed up it gets, the more in danger that fundamental goodness gets, I think. I feel like fundamental goodness takes a back seat to survival. A lot of us are fighting to survive. So I hope we can all fight that by giving support to others when we’ve got the energy pennies to spend—as you just did. Thanks for all you do, Amanda. 💕

Julie Sweetin

Oh my gosh. I think those first two comments about you not sharing enough are incredibly toxic and vampiric. You do not owe us every detail of your personal life. It is none of our business, even if you did share these things previously!! Please do not feel like this is something you need to do for fans, it is absolutely ridiculous. We are all only human, there is only so much you can do before you start getting stretched too thin, and motherhood/Ash as a priority....I mean, that's the dictionary definition of reasonable! The Allthing updates you post are incredibly detailed, VERY lengthy, VERY open. I feel like you talk a lot about the things that Deevoid claims that you don't (your thoughts on world news, personal topics, how you are doing, etc). I think you give us everything we could possibly want from an artist/friend and then some! You do (more than) enough. You ARE (more than) enough. I for one appreciate all that you do. All the goodness you put out there in the universe. All the tough conversations (including this one) that you field and speak to community with. Place those fuckin boundaries UP. Let me hand you the trowel.

Anik Dean

Thank you Angel for expressing so well what it is like to understand that supporting an artist means we are supporting a human being. Amanda, I support you in whatever you are doing - that is how I choose to be a patron. Any changes in my patronage $$ (does happen on occasion) is a reflection of my financial status and not a reflection of my satisfaction with your "output". Love you Amanda!

Greyson

What a strange place to be in. The heart and soul of an artist's success is connecting with their audience but I guess the lines get blurred for some people? I love Patreon because it's a very convenient way for me to support artists and creators who I really want to help keep on creating regardless of the form that takes and I'm not expecting anything in return till the artist is ready to put themselves or something out there. I find it so jarring and sad when I encounter people with the expectation that money goes in so you get connection/art/friendship/whatever you desire back. Maybe it's a byproduct of our hyper capitalist society? But that is what makes this space, this community so amazing to me! We are able to support art and creations and connections and other artists through collaboration that our hyper capitalist society could never support! This is such an amazing thing we are able to do here! And it's something I wish other artists I support on Patreon would be okay with and understand. It breaks my heart when I get a message from a few other artists I support every so often saying they're suspending their Patreon for a month or two because they don't have it in them to put out what they promised. And I'm left thinking, but how will you be able to do what you do if you cut us off because you feel bad that you're not holding up the artist end of this imaginary bargain you think we've made?? This capitalist sentiment is a poison that is killing us all softly and it's our artists and creative souls that suffer the most, and this Patreon and this community is such an awesome antidote to that BS.

Kathryn Drew

The above comment said most of what I wanted to say. I was quite baffled by Deevoids comment because it seems to me that you have been sharing fucking heaps of honest truth.... authentic to you, and honouring what you need to honour. But what you share is also 100% up to you and is allowed to change as needed. If Deevoid is feeling like something is missing than that is their truth and that's ok, and I think your answer was very gracious and so full of self compassion and respect for all parties. Excellent skills my love x x x

serena culfeather

I rarely comment but mostly because I've usually forgotten my password. It's ok for people to feel disappointed and indeed let down but I don't agree at all with the content of the messages from D. WTF?! SO many of us have complicated, busy, private lives and why should I expect you to be any different simply because I'm a patron. Why should I expect you to be all about ME, or US, as Patrons jsut because we subscribe. Carry on being you. Keep reaching out when you need to. Just be you, that's why we follow you.

Kathryn Drew

Also. To be honest. There is this ongoing message coming out from you and from many here as though you have actually disappeared and stopped creating art for ages, as if we are all patiently waiting for it to happen again- I think that is really not the case: you have offered an ongoing selection of fabulous creations over the last few years!! For me there really is no "oh I am waiting for Amanda to get her shit together and finally come back and offer me something" because for me it doesn't feel like you have switched off and gone 'away'. Switching gears yes, shifting, evolving, but still very much present, real, genuine, giving. Thanks for your courage and compassion x

Andromeda

This is tough. I think the comment you picked out is awkward and lacking self awareness, but even I have to admit I participate in the Patreon somewhat to get access to your personal life and feelings. It doesn’t feel good to admit it. But that is partially what you are selling as art. So… I also think it’s fine and healthy you don’t share specific life details at this venue. But I also think we should admit to a genuine confusion here and the difficulty of navigating this unequal relationship.

Livvy C

Wow. Just wow. I suppose it isn't so strange that someone would feel entitled to certain spheres of your life - entitlement is rampant - but what shocks me about Deevoid and Maggie's responses is the utter lack of empathy. I don't know the status of your relationship, but since two people brought it up, let's imagine a scenario where you - or anybody - were actually dealing with a break-up. Welp, I'm here to tell anyone who hasn't guessed as much that the end of a life-partnership is a very unique kind of devastation. When I went through my divorce, I had many reasons for not broadcasting it on my socials: 1) at first, I wasn't sure it was actually going to happen; 2) once I was sure it was happening, I didn't have enough emotional bandwidth to even deal with anything anyone might have to say about it, even if they offered sympathy; 3) once I got past that, there was the fact that my ex-partner hadn't told his family yet, and they followed me on FB; 4) once he finally told them, I still didn't have the bandwidth to deal with people's reactions because I was still processing my own. So I settled on telling people in my inner circle, giving them permission to tell anyone they liked, and that was that. But I'm not a public figure. I had the privilege of being able to keep this incredibly painful thing to myself without anyone asking for more details. Since my own divorce, anytime I see public figures dealing with break-ups, I feel badly for them. It's terrible enough to be going through the break-up in the first place, but to have it turned into a headline (sometimes many headlines for many weeks) must add so much pressure in a setting where more pressure helps exactly not at all. And I haven't even begun to talk about the emotional state I was in while this was happening. It took about a year for my "divorce brain" to clear, 3 years for me to stop having sad ex dreams, and about 4 years for the ex to be more or less purged from my system. During the first year, I was inert and unproductive, and though I dated, I was still living a parallel inner life that was mostly characterized by sadness. Friends who'd gone through this warned that I'd feel a lot of confusion, and the thing that confused me wasn't the whys and wherefores of the divorce; it was the conflicting feelings about it, and the way my feelings never seemed to stay the same for longer than a day. But here's the kicker: I had it relatively easy because I did not have any children with my ex. When you have children with an ex, everything is so much more complicated: how things get divided; child care; money (you have to rebudget everything since you're going from a combined household income to a single income); immediate emotions; residual emotions; moving on with your life. All of it becomes a battleground, even in a "friendly" break-up. But let's assume that relationships are fine and not a factor. People still really underestimate the full-time job that child care has always been and continues to be, and it's truly shocking that anyone would come on here - with all the news we've read over the past 3 years about how child care has become increasingly heavy (especially for women) because of the pandemic - and assume that your output as an artist should be equal to what it was when you didn't have a child. You were alone in New Zealand with a young child for long stretches of time in the last 2-3 years. Where do you fit in the making of art? And the thing is, you actually managed to fit making art in there. What I don't know is how. To the people who underestimate child care, I recommend watching the documentary Searching for Debra Winger. You know how Robin Wright is like super hot and busy and very much working a lot right now? There was a good 5-10-year period where she was working about once per year. Why? Because she had two children who were really young and couldn't really be left alone with a nanny for months at a time because their two movie-star parents were working. What happens to most women artists when they have children is that their priorities shift while the child is growing. And we really need to get okay with that. I don't know what Deevoid is looking for, but what I've seen in the last couple of years is a grown woman with a growing child trying to find a work-life balance that was basically a lie to begin with. That you've hit the ground running with your Dresden Dolls activities since returning to the U.S. is truly a feat, and I can't imagine what it's taking to pull it off. Thank you for existing in the best way that you can. You are doing what you can and that is all that this contract that you have with us requires. You do not owe us details about your relationship, nor the same amount of artistic time and energy that you had before you had a child, nor the psychological prowess to deal with these pandemic years other than how you have. You're good. We're good. It's all good.

Lynn Parlett

I'm going to being polite here, because Amanda likes us to be nice to each other. But I am angry. Deevoid - your few dollars a month DO NOT entitle you to demand anything from Amanda. Classic bully behaviour trying to include all of us as agreeing with your opinion by the use of words like; community, us, etc., (and the bully whispered 'you know everyone hates you'). Your comments are straight out gaslighting and cruel. Gaslight the other person into believing the relationship problems are their fault, that they aren't giving enough when very, very clearly they are giving more than their share. Gaslighting so again, she's taken more time from her busy schedule (doing what you demand she does) to try to give you just a little bit more, so that you don't feel bad. If you know Amanda at all, you knew that your comments would cause pain - and then you doubled down in your response with a laundry list of questions that would take MORE time. Are you happy? Did you get what you needed? You say this is a relationship. And just like any relationship - if it isn't giving you what you need, you should leave. I'll help you pack.

Stefan Koopmanschap

Thank you Amanda, for sharing all that did not need to be shared but that you shared anyway. I certainly hope to be able to see you at some point next year in The Netherlands, if the stars align and make that happen. If not... well, we'll see you another time. If possible, I'd give you a big hug. Thanks again for sharing. I hope hell stays away from you for quite some time to come, preferably indefinitely.

Damian Blacklock

I'm sure you are coming from a supportive place, but the way you expressed it can sure make it read aggressive. "you really need to grasp" and "I really really want you to think", "I just want you to" and "Treat this like the job that it is". It's hard not to read that as entitled. Again, I think you're coming from a place from wanting to give helpful advice but it's not coming across that way. It also sounds like the vast majority of commenters are not 'shook' - maybe the patreon has come to mean something different to you than to them? (And to Amanda?)

Laura Keenados

I. LOVE. YOU. Also, i don't feel slighted or like I'm not "getting my money's worth". I'm here to support you. I think these folks forgot to take a BITE of the donut. We all gotta share. Sometimes its your fave. Sometimes its just an old fashioned, but its still a donut. I was at the end of the line, and I still got donut and was stoked af. I LOVE YOU. -patiently waiting for NYE tix. fingers crossed.

Laura Keenados

Okay so also, forgot to mention, I'm a birthday buddy of yours, and oddly enough, I also get what I call my "regularly scheduled existential crisis" at right around 3:30 every day. Scumbag brain is such a menace. MORE LOVE

Sally

This was my reaction too Lynn. I have really struggled with what I wanted to say, I don't comment much on posts but I felt kicked in the gut by what was said to Amanda. And Amanda, you owe us no explanations of deeply personal things. We are not all collectively your besties - and even if we were, some things, some things just have to stay inside. So much love to you Amanda, and to all who will have been triggered by D's demands, as I certainly was.

AC

Dobbs. MAGA. NRA. And perhaps private things as well.

Robin Goodfellow

Hey Amanda, I'm definitely agreeing with you and Angel - you're a prolific sharer and you give us Patreons plenty of attention - yes I am curious about some aspects of your life that you don't mention (or that I have skimmed over), but, hey, you've gotta keep some parts of your life to yourself - and what you choose to share or keep is entirely your decision - thanks for being you

Kerrie Chapman

Perhaps having spent time with you at the icebath and bushfire fundraiser in Melb 2019-2020 connected the trauma experiences in this hemisphere. The world is f##ked…. I got sick nursing and life stopped. I can’t stand up anymore without my body physiologically tripling my HR!! TBH I appreciate your honest communication where u share “I don’t know”…. bc AFP we are all human, and more is not necessarily better. I will never forget the live candlelit moon in NZ show when I was first sick and I felt not alone in a curfewed lockdown. I trust that you/I/everyone are on the path life has given us for reasons that only make sense with time. Much Love💜

Joanna Lindblad

... Radical compassion (for all) (((<3)))

Kim Smith

Thank you for sharing so much with us. The world is not enough for some people.

Doug Ryan

Amanda….I’ve said this in a comment from time to time, and one time in person during a hug after what I think was your last show in LA before pandemic….but I have never meant it more than i do now….”you are an incredible human. “ I can’t even begin to express to you what an inspiration you are. In day to day routine, or in the face of sudden and unexpected and unjustified adversity. Your balance of grace and poise and empathy and intense loyalty to yourself as an artist is so compelling and refreshing and inspirational. It amazes me that you’ve survived what you have. And that you seem to have done it without any long term resentment about the wounds and scars that you’ve picked up along the way. You keep hugging. And you keep loving. And you keep dialogue flowing. You are a special individual. A wonderful shinning part of this reality. I think you are one of the universe’s gifts to itself. Sending you lots of love and support. And also sending much love to everyone who stepped up here to show support for you.

Kym Stokes

I love you, Amanda. You deserve to take whatever time you need for you and Ash. Thank you for all of your music and projects and for just being you. ❤️

Alexandria Stuart

I am still here (and plan to remain barring drastic change in finances). Thank you for being here in whatever way you are able.

Teresa Toro

This makes me so sad. I haven't had a chance to read the Althing yet but there's enough here for me to be able to say something. First, I agree with Angel. And second... Amanda isn't emotionally available? Not sharing? Amanda, you have been expressing your emotions pretty clearly all along. Maybe they're emotions some people aren't comfortable with, or not as easy to identify? Emotions like confusion, and existential anguish, and the pain of pandemic isolation, and the specific chronic anxiety that comes with parenting. Emotions most creative people have, like, I am so afraid my new creative ideas are not coming to me the way I was hoping. Fear that if you're not practicing or writing enough it will All Go Away Forever. Or they'll revoke your creativity passport. Not sharing your emotions? Bah. As for your personal relationships, you owe no one anything. Those comments genuinely shocked me. Past sharing does not obligate you to to share the same way now. We are allowed to change as people due to overall life changes, relationship changes. We can CHANGE our MINDS about what we share and how. But as for connecting with us, you haven't dropped a single stitch and considering everything that's going on -- and if people can't just read how overwhelmed you have been then I don't know what to say to them, truly -- that's just bloody amazing. I don't feel entitled to know anything about your personal life; you share what you want to share. It's like being at an office workplace in that way -- you end up knowing things about your coworkers because it helps you all get through the day, knowing a little about what makes them tick, what helps them work with you, how to ask them for help, how you can make each other's day better. But you're not entitled to know their secrets and they're not entitled to know yours. As Ram Dass said, we're all just walking each other home. But I will (clumsily) add, it doesn't mean we automatically have the privilege of just barging inside. Amanda, you share quite an awful lot, and you are very emotionally present for someone who VERY (really, very) obviously has a lot going on personally and professionally even though you are constrained from getting into details. Just because the emotions you display and share aren't as easily label-able, and/or are perhaps often very nuanced, isn't your fault. I love you for feeling so accountable to us, and really never failing to continue this relationship here. XOXO

Kate Opanowycz

Dear Amanda, I love you. Hold Ash tightly and read. Breathe. Cry. Create. Play. Do whatever the fuck you need to do and be kind to yourself. I love you . Kate from Brisbane Queensland Australia. 🌹💖

Teresa Toro

Strange to reply to my own comment, but KT Tunstall's song Heal Over just popped into my head. I find it soothing and maybe you will too. It's just more of what I would say to you. It isn't very difficult to see why You are the way you are Doesn't take a genius to realize That life is sometimes hard It's gonna take time But you'll just have to wait You're gonna be fine But in the meantime Come over here lady Let me wipe your tears away Come a little nearer baby Cause you'll heal over Heal over Heal over someday And I don't wanna hear you tell yourself That these feelings are in the past You know it doesn't mean they're off the shelf Because pain is built to last Everybody sails alone But we can travel side by side Even if you fail You know that no one really minds Come over here lady Let me wipe your tears away Come a little nearer baby Cause you'll heal over Heal over Heal over someday Don't hold on but don't let go I know it's so hard You've got to try to trust yourself I know it's so hard, so hard Come over here lady Let me wipe your tears away Come a little nearer baby Cause you'll heal over Heal over Heal over someday Yeah you're gonna heal over

Midge

As a fellow mum of a 7 year old human, and a child of elderly and poorly parents, and a wife to a challenging man, and a person who works and learns and cares and fixes and and and and and… I get it. I see you. I appreciate how fucking hard this all is. I love you. You’re doing great. It’s going to be ok xx

Kathryn Weber-Boer

This, exactly. There has been loads of art, in myriad forms. Sharing and engaging allthings, poetry, live streaming events, pictures from times and places we couldn't physically be. I felt let into Amanda's life over the last several years, definitely enough that I recognized and applauded the path she was on. There's been such great stuff!

Midge

“I do not feel neglected, I feel reflected.” That is so beautifully put. It resonates deeply. Thank you.

Brianna Roth

I don’t feel like you owe us anything when we are choosing to support you. Some years ago I saw you perform at The Bell House in Brooklyn. It was my first time seeing you live and I was beyond excited. The show was amazing and I laughed and cried and danced and loved it. And then you were signing posters after the show and I waited and waited and it was finally my turn and I was sure we’d have a “moment” where you would see me and acknowledge me like you did with so many fans before me, but then you looked at me, kinda scoffed, and turned to the next person in line, and that was it. My first reaction was to be upset and wonder what I did wrong. Was I not dressed punk enough? Was I too new? Was I not supposed to smile? Then I was angry at you. Then I did some thinking and realized that you did not owe me the reaction I was hoping for. You had just sung and played for 3 hours and how amazing that you still waited for people after to sign their posters! It’s not your job to make sure that I go home feeling like we’re totally friends for life. And it’s not your job to do that here. I’ll never know what happened in the moment I got to your table, it could have been a thousand things that had absolutely nothing to do with me. Maybe I look like someone you hated, maybe you needed to burp, I don’t know! My point is that I paid to be there just as I’m paying to be here. It’s my choice as much as anyone’s, and I’m staying no matter what or how much you share.

Alexandra Steffan

Despite fearing that it'll feel like a pile-on to Deevoid, I want to add my voice here too. Reading all this, I can't stop hearing in my head the chorus of "Another Man Who Ate Too Much" - which, incidentally, is a prime example of a time when Amanda, for reasons which are truly her business alone, wasn't able to tell us much of what was going on for her personally, yet she still managed to share with her patrons how she was feeling through an incredibly moving, heartbreakingly beautiful and candidly generous work of art. (It's one of my all-time-favourite songs and recordings of yours Amanda, even though and because it aches so much to listen to. Thank you. ♥️) Perhaps in this context we could sing "another fan who craved too much"? Because what I read in this complaint, and in Maggie's, is a chillingly dangerous level of entitlement. Dangerous to you, Amanda, if you were to really take it to heart (please don't, if you can). And dangerous to the persons complaining, because of how damaging this entitlement can inevitably be to human relationships in general. No matter what the connection, no one owes another person a field trip through the landscapes of their own innermost heart. Nor do we owe it to one another to stay the same. How could we, anyway? We are all living in this world right now, and - aside from the wild range of things that can be going on for people personally, including what parenthood may bring - if this world as it is going right now isn't changing you irreversibly, where, or how, are you even living? Much love to everyone. Much love to you Amanda, and thank you for sharing. ♥️

Phoenix M.T. Noah

Human sibling Amanda - i will never expect or require anything of you. i give you $10/mo because your EXISTENCE (whether you are creating things, or being incredibly open or not) teaches me to stand in my power; teaches me to stand in my truth, and to SPEAK IT. You EXISTING - just existing, Amanda - always reminds me to seek that inner peace, to address the inner demons, so to speak. Always. You are existing. And your existing is ENOUGH. You have demonstrated for me that we can speak our truth without sharing identifying things. You have done so consistently. You have not pretended to be well when you are not. You navigate challenging experiences with grace. I don't need to know precisely what. You're a hero to me, hon. But not for how you meet expectations or whatever. You're a hero to me based on the fact you are EXISTING as honestly and compassionately as you can. Difficult to do. And you keep TRYING.

Persephone Hazard

Much of what I would say in response to this has already been said here, particularly regarding entitlement. But I would like to add, just so that it's been said clearly: This is a parasocial relationship. It is *not* a friendship, not even for those of us who have been here since the beginning. I've been a fan of Amanda's since about 2004, which at this point is just over half my life. I joined this Patreon the day it launched. She has touched - and changed - my heart and my life in more ways than I can count, but she does not know who I am or that I exist. And that is as it should be - because she is an artist whose work I find deeply meaningful and therefore choose to support, and not my friend. Those members of this community who see that differently, who feel that she *is* our friend and *does* owe us something and *should* give us all the things we get from the two-way connections in our lives...frankly, they need to take a look at their boundaries. And, yes, at their sense of entitlement. Thank you, Amanda. For everything you've done for me - the list of which would be longer than I could reasonably add here - and for everything you've done for all of us, and for handling this with such compassion and grace. But you didn't have to. This was an overstep on the part of people who perhaps need to examine their motivations a little more deeply.

Teresa Toro

Neil maintains quite a robust social media presence of his own which you can follow to see what he's up to ❤

Bethany Olson

Allow me to offer up a few more for your personal enjoyment. Keep in mind that all are the names of FB groups that I actually belong to. 1. Sporty Makeup Bitches 2. Alluring Doors 3. Lonely Vegetables And my favorite: 4. PUSSY SHOTS (Which is a cat appreciation group)

Jillian McGrath

When I joined the Patreon, it was so I could support a creative mind that I adore and want to see flourish. I've never once felt entitled to ask Amanda personal questions simply because I give her money each month, because her private life and anything having to do with her son always struck me as being topics Amanda will share as she sees fit. Simply put - Amanda doesn't 'owe' us anything, and can share as little or as much as she is comfortable with.

Zena Darling

Ok, lots of people have said things in line with my thoughts, and more eloquently and succinctly than I would have been able to. But. One thing I don't see getting mentioned: Someone privately messaged you, asking questions and making assumptions and judgements about your marriage? And then has the audacity to act offended and "feel taken advantage of" when you didn't personally reply and/or divulge all details to the world?? That is not okay!! Y'all. We don't know the details about Neil and Amanda's relationship because IT IS NONE OF OUR BUSINESS. Their lives are not a juicy fanfic. Patreon is not a subscription to The Real Rockwives of New Zealand which you can consume and obsess over as it is released in real-time. Unless this person is a personal, intimate, know-them-in-real-life friend, this type of message is NOT appropriate at all. And if they WERE a real actual friend, they would either already know what's up, or would understand that IT IS STILL NOT THEIR BUSINESS. We can talk all day about business transactions and emotional connection, the definition of a "job", whether the art is the songs and videos or the process and the stories, about sharing and seeing and flowers and donuts... but no matter how you spin it, this kind of intrusion and entitlement to someone's personal business is just icky. Amanda, your grace amazes me.

Karen Krebser

So, I'm a n00b. I joined your Patreon a year ago, I think, but I've known of your work since maybe the early 2010s. Remember the Tarot deck you did? I remember working with that! It was very interesting and an eye-opener for this Tarot lover. Anyway, I joined and began supporting you here because I believe the fuck out of patronage and I think it's critical to support artists and makers of all kinds. I started reading all your blogs and emails, and I remember thinking how much you "vibe" for me (for lack of a better term) as a big sister. I know you're not, of course, and I don't make any assumptions about your life or imposing on your time. But it just seemed like you approach life in a way that I would very much like to learn because it's so different than what I'm doing, and my life has been so hard lately it would have been nice if The Gods/The Management had given me a big sister. My younger sister died in March, so maybe that's where it comes from, that needing to connect and feel like there is someone who talks about things that I can talk to about things. I even thought about starting a diary called "Dear Amanda" that would allow me space to dig to the bottomest bottom the way you do. I still might do that. I read Deevoid's comments and replies and immediately wondered what things must have been like when s/he/they first joined your beautiful Night Circus if they're wondering where and how you are these days and why you don't communicate anymore. I've seen nothing but communication, myself. I do understand though that when you're used to someone giving you one level of access to their heart and mind to have a different level of access would feel discombobulating, but I'm also reminded that you're very clear in every communication that anyone who wants to can leave. So maybe Deevoid needs an elegy for the past? A Dagara Grief Ritual? An ode to what was and is gone? I'm thinking along these lines because I see the holidays approaching like an oncoming train without my sister and I have NO idea how I'm going to handle it or what it's going to be like, so maybe I need an elegy for what's gone too, and man, do I need Sobonfu Some to come back to life and lead another Dagara Grief Ritual in my area so that I can spend long hours feeling every ounce of grief. But I think it's unfair to expect people not to change, especially when a Little is involved. That's my main takeaway from Deevoid's comments: we're all grieving the past right now, but expecting the present and the future to match the past isn't fair. Sending you all love.

Jen

I have read the full post now and I still call bullshit. I love you -all of you here. I am here to support Amanda Fucking Palmer and her art and music and whatever crazy shit she comes up with. I’m here because I love that I can be a part of this community. I love that you can make and support art that you want to make. I think that is fucking awesome. I can’t afford a lot and I love that even though that is the case I still get to be a part of this. Do you change? Does your art change? Do your conversations here change? Of course- isn’t that the fucking point? Anyway, I love you Amanda Fucking Palmer and I love you Patreon group! Keep being you and sharing what you want to share and making art when you want to make art and taking care of Ash and being you. I’m here for it all and suspect I am not the only one.

Courtney Anderson

Wow. Long time occasional reader but never a commenter here. I became a patron because your music has been a joy for the past 20 years since the rock and roll rumble . And yeah... maybe I pirated most of it in the early 2ks.. but making up for it now that I'm older and have the means. To expect you to make these types of "personal connections" seems like a very strange ask. I wouldn't dwell on needy folks expecting you somehow do more, or divulge more than you already do. Live your life, enjoy your son - there's plenty of us happy just funding what makes our own lives more enriched by just sharing this tiny blip in time in the universe and getting to hear what you'll do next.

Teri Pritchett

I love you just the way you are and am pleased to be a patron and fuck the la la

Zena Darling

Oof.. on point about the friends/friendship thing. Thanks for saying so well what I meant to also say in my comment... but got distracted lol

Dermot Canniffe

OMG I hadn't seen these comments - I feel like you've been sharing plenty & I'm with you, and I have your back. You've been raw with us too - I feel you don't owe us that, and while I feel privileged to be there, and glad that our presence might have helped, I don't want you to do or share anything that makes you uncomfortable. I have been in this position for other people who, like you, I consider friends; and friends don't push, or coax, or wheedle friends to get the latest gossip; we listen, without judgement, and we only offer advice when asked. Offer hugs when consented to. But mostly listen, without judgement. Again, I want to let you know that I feel privileged to be a part of this community you've built, that I can offer that support, as well as the financial side. This community is far from transactional, and I'm happy to go on supporting you however you need. Be well, stay safe, my best to Ash & your adjacent irl community, & love to you. 💚

Lori Kitzing

Amanda, I you have shown such love and strength for your son. It would have been SO EASY for you (one night when you were at your wit’s end) to dump the story on us. But you never did…Even though you know we’d eat it up…Even though you could have built yourself an Amanda-Army to be on your side. My parents split when I was a baby. And for 37 years, I’ve never heard them trash talk the other. And as an adult, I have thanked them for that. They always answered my questions about their split honestly, they talked about their feelings, but they never dragged each other through the mud (and they could have, so easily). You’ve shared so much with us, but you don’t owe us the story. And it’s not worth the hurt it could cause your son.

Rose Cooper

I have a lot of thoughts about this. Was also going to mention parasocial relationships.Glad to see that got a mention already having also been on the Patreon just a smidge after the very beginning, I just want to talk about this within the context of Patreon. I have supported a couple of other people (and by supported, I mean, paid the lowest tier because I, myself am a struggling artist.) I've not stopped being on this one - but I've thought about it. Let's contextualise it with the three others. 1. Was a friend of mine who was working on a feminist project - we collaborate and use each other as sounding boards a lot. I joined to be supportive But the patreon never took off and she diverted her attention elsewhere so i stopped. 2 Other person is a consent educator and I wanted to download some of her stuff. 3...the blindboy podcast. I joined very early on, stuck around for about three years. then stopped. he simply wasn't using it to keep in touch with his patrons at all. He was doing all his communication on twitter and IG. His has always been a 'democratic model of soundness'. In that everyone pays what they can and everyone gets THE PODCAST. And that's it. I 100% believe that the podcast is amazing and I think three years of continued support is a good donation. Almost 18 months ago I started my own patreon. I make music, social media content and a podcast. It's main focus is feminism and female empowerment as well as LGBTQ. I work hard on it. I have three patrons. I give them music for free. Write a post every now and again. And I feel guilty that I don't put much energy into exclusive content, but the three of them have never asked for it. They just want to be supportive. SO THIS IS THE THING. I don't think Patreon was meant for everyone to have such an all consuming personal relationship with the artist to the point that the artist's life takes on the kind of significant proportions that it obviously has, for the person who wrote to you to complain. I have only ever contributed what I can afford. Just because I believe in what you do = especially when what you do is awareness raising and fundraising. It's in this way that I feel connected to you as an artist. The fact that I'm 'counted out' of special treats cos I don't pay for a higher tier, seems a bit arbitrary to me, to be honest. I dropped from $3 to $1 cos I'm more than happy to just be part of this community. But I've also been wanting you to slow down, spend time with your child. I mean, Ihave three patrons and I feel guilt at not producing a lot of exclusive content (some but not a lot) so I can imagine the pressure you must feel to keep communicating to thousands of us. But I don't need to know about the minutiae of your day. Just your work. Your causes. You're doing a lot on social media also, so...seriously, anyone who wants/needs more than that needs to take a good hard look at why they chose to 'support an artist' in the first place. Support. An. Artist. Support. Support. Support. That's what Patreon is about. The world has so many things wrong with it. Let's focus on that with the same amount of concern, shall we. Oh and by all means, support my Patreon. :)

Caroline Gaudy

I'm not going to dis Deevoid though I don't agree with their feeling entitled to know personal details now because they did THEN. And I am going to continue to support you, Amanda at whatever small level I can afford because I believe in you for who you are (as I understand that imperfectly), what you do, and HOW you do it: radical in the best way in all those areas. I'm glad you responded though I'm really sorry it cut you and took precious energy from all your other responsibilities. Love you, Ms. A, and from where I sit you've got your priorities in the best possible order. Carry on, love.

SpaceCrumbs

Everyone ebbs and flows. I’m glad to be ebbing and flowing with you. No expectations. Just love.

Mackenzie Gordon

I'm sure someone has already said this, but I don't pay money to your patreon for friendship or interaction. I do it because I love your art and this allows you to explore and produce it without having to worry about the commercial aspect of whether it will "sell". I find you a memorising presence in person, and in part that is due to your openness and willingness to engage. There are very few people I have ever been in awe of in the flesh but you are one of them. I've found what you have been sharing is enough though, well for me. People change, life and circumstances change and we don't remain static, so I expected the patreon to evolve as you did, which it had. Being a mumma and an artist is hard (can't remember the last time I just got to lock myself in the studio and paint for days). But OMG I would not trade my time with my kid to get it back. Savour that time, they change so fast, they achieve new amazing things all the time. My daughter is 8, she has ASD and ADHD and she is amazing, she's changed my whole focus so I get where you are coming from. Soon enough they grow up and you pick up where you left off as they have their own lives (my mum's words). Keep doing you, however that looks from where you are at

DebbieG

The replies already posted pretty much sum up my feelings about this. I think you only need to focus on making yourself happy and making Ash happy. I am here for whatever you care to share, whether art or feelings; whatever you don’t was never meant for me. Hugs. ❤️

Madi Reid

Jesus! These types of comments are SO ENTITLED! As someone from the other end of the spectrum (ie I have loved your music since I was 13 [now 31, ha] and don’t really feel the need [want?] to know you personally), I am a Patreon to say thank you for my fav songs and hope you make more of them. Sometimes, I wish you’d make more music and especially more music like the OG stuff, but I am certainly not here for you to be a trained monkey to entertain on demand, or for me to delude myself that a “celebrity” is my “friend”. Love ya (in a normal, fan way) and even if you never make another song which speaks to me, the ones you already made that raised me were enough.

Amanda West

Amanda, I appreciate you SOOOOOOO much. I too am a working artist mother musician who runs a patreon (among a million other things). I only started following you a few years ago, but your posts, your shares bring SO much light to me. I feel such resonance, and such appreciation and respect for what you share and how you do it. This other person's comments about "Where are you? Why aren't you paying attention to us?" don't even make any sense to me because I feel like you share so much more than most people I know on Patreon! And I FEEL SO much of you in your shares - like you are RIGHT there. I'm sorry those words hit you so hard, and it's fascinating to see the inner parts of people come out... Maybe I'm trying to say, "It's not you, it's them!" And affirm that anyone who is a mother, and particularly a mother artist TOTALLY understands exactly all the things you share and don't share. Thank you for being you. Sending love & appreciation.

Paul Grimsley

well fed ----------- feed yourself and your family and take some time to grow apart build a space to grow a heart and let it bloom in art leaning into a need to feed greed to bleed for those who'd have you bleed until you are exsainguinated would mean nothing would be created and you would have gone a sun that once shone like a dead light in the sky some are there to receive but those who are all take will leave when they feel you're drained dry to measure all you have given while keeping a private word and deny the treasure seems absurd the protest doesn't need to be heard hear the sound of every heart stirred

Rose Somethíng

I'm very new on the scene compared to people who have been here since 2007 - I was 11 years old in 2007 and wasn't introduced to Amanda's music until grad school in 2019. I signed up for the Patreon when Ash was already on the scene, the pandemic was fucking everything up, and a musician whose work I loved was exhausted and stressed and in a foreign country (my country, and knowing she was here made all the everything more bearable) and not posting much. That's what I'm used to and I love it. I'm here for the long haul. Everyone goes through rough patches, and trauma and exhaustion, and maybe they make something great out of it and maybe they just survive it. Amanda, I love listening to what you make and reading what you write and partaking in what you want to share. New Things and posts are always highlights for me. I enjoy and appreciate your work, and I send you good thoughts, but I'm not your family or a IRL friend, and they have to come first. I see my patronage as helping let you make or not-make whatever art you feel like making, whenever you feel like making or not-making it. I won't like everything. That's fine.

jl courtney

I'm here because I love this space. Want to use it for music? Sure! Blog? Sounds like fun! Live footage from shows? Okay, yay! Reading GOODNIGHT MOON to sleepy patrons? Hell yeah. Collaboration with other artists? Squee! Odd platypus facts written in copperplate script on a plate of hardened box-mix mashed potatoes? Quirky... but... alright. And if the only art you have to thing in a month, or three, or six, is a single sentence: "I'm too fucking tired to art." I still wouldn’t leave because I know the art is coming and I trust the process. I can’t offer a very big donut and it’s a smaller donut than it used to be because life got expensive... as it has a way of doing... but gestures are important. Even small ones. And Deevoid and Maggie, if you’re reading this far down, I have a gesture for you both (and it’s not a nice one). Consent, once granted, can always be revoked. Just because you were privy to the intimate ins and outs of the life and times of AFP yesterday, last week, two years ago, or ways back in 2012, does not mean you’re entitled to anything but ART now.

Kirrabelle Lovell

As usual very well written Amanda. I can’t keep up with all your projects myself sometimes, but I do read all the Patreon emails. Great to see you advocating slowing down still, trying to do that a bit too. All the best!

Arielle

Wow! That was so beautiful of you to be so mindful in your response! You are so giving of your soul that I was blown away at someone's sense of entitlement to "a piece of you". My initial response was shock! You have shared so much and been extremely, impressively if not heartbeakingly present! Your. Being belongs to you and your feminism is apparent at every turn. We don't have a right to more than you want to or are able to share of your being. You belong to you and you alone and until a certain age to Ash. Ash obviously comes first and your relationships, and heartaches belong to you. Yes, we are, many of us, struggling personally (some more some less than others) and humanitarianly (is that a word?). Facism on the rise globally, the state of the "United" states, the reality of climate change, diseases and mental instability of everyone's general psyche is pretty damned scary. Trying to give your child a childhood and sense of wonder and hope while preparing them to be resilient is a work of art that is impossible to do perfectly! Hopefully, in your case, Ash will know himself well enough and recognizes the amazing extended community (sorry but I'm talking folks that have rallied around you personally in person not us, the Oatreon) that when he gets to the age he must rebell and venture to figure out who he apart from y'alls son but as Ash he has a tribe of Aunts and Uncles he can trust and you and his Dad can trust to give him good council. We don't get to pressure you, we don't own you! Sorry but the communication that triggered this made me feel like someone was trying to violate you emotionally demanding something from you they are not entitled to! Never apologize for honoring boundaries 🫂❤️❤️❤️"Onward Throgh the Fog" Arielle We must all learn to empathize and accept gifts with grace rather than childishly demanding them. Spoils the purity of giving and of receiving. What the world needs now is Love and Grace❣️❣️❣️

Christin

Dear Amanda, I usually do not comment a lot - I am a mother of two 7 year olds and I run a nursing home which is utterly challenging (and beautiful). To me, it is not like you were absent from the patreon community or like you didn't share enough. You shared how you feel, how you are doing, you shared your art, you shared your unexpected kiwi life. For me personally, as a working mum trying to make enough space for yoga, friends, gardening etc while taking care of the kids in the best way possible, your posts were what kept me going at many points during this pandemic. Because I just felt like you, and I saw myself in all the posts you sent. Dealing with unwanted challenges. Keeping up hope and optimism and a soft heart for the kids even when you feel like lying down and not getting up anymore. To me, that meant so so so much. With you sharing "I can't" I had the chance to learn how to say "I can't myself. How to get help. How to accept help. I felt close to you, and I absolutely understand and respect that there are things you don't want to share over the internet. That is fine!!! And you tour again when you are ready. Just then. And if you will play a show in Berlin or any place I can travel I will be truly happy. If this will not happen, that is fine too. Life is not a plan we go through straight. Life is a journey and I am thankful to travel a bit with you through the way you work and share. I am thankful I can share a bit through the comments and that you read them. I send a big hug!

Gabrielle Shearer

Oosh that's a lot to say. Thank you. I don't know if I'd be able to even articulate how I feel now, after these last few years. No one needs to say it, but of course Ash, and your time with Ash is a priority. You've given us so much, and let us give you a bittoo. That's what's gotten me through, this sort of tidal exchange with people I love. Get some rest, you good egg you.

Patricia Alfonso

I hope you are still reading answers. I became obsessed [in the nice sense] with you when you did the mashup and sang rape/will not name the other song cause I don't remember the name. I immediately showed the video to my partner who worried I was going to go down with the song and have a flare [mental health one] but I didn't. I just felt empowered. My rage about my trauma felt seen and validated. I felt free in the pain that your voices made me feel. You blew my heart away. I saw someone I wanted on my side. So I became a patron of yours. About 2 weeks ago I upped my contributions. I'm not a huge fan of the Dresden's music, or all your songs, or all your art. I am a huge fan of You, however. So thank you. Thank you for being here. Thank you for letting us in. I see you, doing the very best you can. Being. ❤

TheCreepyGirl

I love the title, the content makes my guts squirm. (sorry, and thank you)

Julia Harpur

Hey Amanda, The thing that stood out for me in all that, because it's something that's perplexed me in the last few years too, was "I used to have an inherent faith in the fundamental goodness of people that has been shifted over the last few years."... I consider myself a secular budhhist, think practice is about uncovering our basic goodness- clearing the dust from our eyes, unlearning hate etc, but yeah, I've really begun to wonder about that fundamental assumption. Wondering what that shift in perspective looks like for you?

Kitsuneko

Damn. I've been keeping some distance with internet and most of the world for a while so I've obviously missed some things, but I wanted to come and say that it's been so good and important for me just knowing that you and this community here still exist. That there's a place where things are felt as they are, no matter if they are happy and nice or just the worst, where you can have all the feels without having to police them, and where you can communicate honestly. And most importantly, on your own terms, by your own choosing. Knowing that your boundaries are respected makes all the difference. It's been a few years now, but I often think about how I felt in Dublin or Stockholm, when I was lucky enough to attend your concert - being in a bad place otherwise, just being surrounded by lovely folks who didn't expect anything from but who were sharing the music and the atmosphere with me, it was just grand. When I want to get back into that I'll just listen to The ride, and weep. It's always a good cry. So basically I just wanted to say: thank you. We're not going anywhere.

Magdalene Blue

trust me, love me, support me, understand me, and allow for things to unfold - they will - in the time they need to... Yes.

Michelle Boucher

Moving out from lurking to add my "you are more than enough" to the pile. If I could make a very small observation, the smallest, sometimes you share the most thoughtful and caring and introspective thoughts proceeded with some variation of "will share more/do better when not drowning". You give enough, do enough, and bracketing what you share with ways to minimize what you shared (and promises you should not hold yourself to because, you do exactly what you can and it is beautiful) doesn't help anyone? Please know that for so many of us, we are so happy to be here for the community and art and you do both so very well.

Laura Wellner

There is so much I could say as I have observed so much up and down of being "fine" and "unfine" in all of this, but in a nutshell "I see you and I love you." Hugs & love.

Lily Tomson

I'm honestly shocked that people think your trauma is what they're 'buying'. You're doing the right thing, Amanda - sharing where you're at and what you can and being transparent about all the paradoxes. I'm not going anywhere.

Liz

Hi Amanda, I can say from a personal perspective and long term follower/supporter/gig attendee that your contributions to my life have been integral to my connection to the world. I haven't always agreed with your perspective but that is what makes my world go round. The sense of community you have created and allowed me to be a part of , has been a privilege and has invigorated my life. Over the many years when my world seemed to be empty or I felt insignificant, I was able to engage in the AFP community and re-engage in my own life. Over the past 18 months I have been unable to find myself, unsure of who I am and where I am going (now I'm an old person 55), at the opposite end of my parenting journey as an empty nestor. To complicate things, COVID-19 experiences have been both traumatic and disruptive to many aspects of life across the world, and the healing may take years more. My initial response was to discard everything (including AFP membership). But is has been the re-engagement in the posts and community that has given me hope. Hope of my own capacity, of possibilities and a place in the world I inhabit. All I can say in response to your post is thank you for giving what you can of yourself, you are not ours to own or command, we give freely to contribute to art/music and are gifted with your openness. Thank you for all that you are and all that you gift us.

Pamela Kirsch

so glad that we can help you in the same way you help us. It’s just a ride 🎡

bea kay

1st: wow. i felt my heart sink into a black hole reading through this. 2nd: crying at my desk at work. because - wow #2. you are allowed to take time and space and scrape your guts off the sidewalk so you can manage to keep moving every day. a status update isn't required. if you need someone to stamp that with approval, i just did. i have been going through a deep trauma over the past 5 years, give or take. i cut off everyone - i stopped making music, making art. i removed all my material from online. i ghosted social media. i ghosted work. i stopped answering my phone and texts. i lived alone, full hermit style; no social outings, no contact. i still have an unread "happy halloween" facebook message from a coworker in 2019, and a "merry christmas" smattering from people looking for me a year later. i didn't even have the energy to open a message. i was too busy trying to survive, trying to breath, trying to not have a panic attack stepping onto my porch. quarantine happened naturally, and i enjoyed every second of it, because everyone was busy with other things, and not worrying about me. this past monday was halloween. this halloween, and every halloween during those ghost years, a family friend made a gift with her kids and dropped it off on my porch halloween night. no knock, no social visit. a silent gift, a text of "trick or treat, the halloween fairy visited you" and then back to silence. it has been the most lowkey and welcome reminder to me that we still have a connection, that she does not judge me for my disappearance, that she leaves space for me to feel my things and work my course and she is in the edges cheering me on and validating me, wherever i might need it. i hope you know, that for me, when i leave a comment here, or on twitter, or on instagram, or facebook - that's my trick or treat fairy gift for you. i see you, i recognize your journey, and i love you so fucking much. you have things to do. your time is yours to allocate as needed and as wanted and as it can conceivably even happen. i choose to give a pledge and remain part of this community because i love who you are and the things you stand for. what you do with that is yours. it is a gift i give and do not expect a return on, because i give it with love. it's yours now. thank you for this space you make, and maintain, in words and in silence. it's all welcome weather to me. i love all of it. i'm in hudson, and i have pined over the woodstock events because all i want to do is show up and hug you and cry. i hope to do that soon. i'm trying.

Ted Thomas

An old friend once said that the quality of our lives is affected by our willingness to have the uncomfortable conversations. So, kudos to you and Deevoid for having one! The people in my life know my door is always open and there's always an ear at the ready, should they need/want to have a talk with me arise. As I'm an exceptionally flawed person, albeit one that's constantly trying to be better, those wants/needs are bound to arise from time to time. Over the years, my friends and I have all learned that we're in this together for the long haul and, as long as we keep respect in the conversations, the bonds will never break. They may bend and stretch every now and then, but they return and are usually a bit stronger than they were before. For the first year or so of the pandemic, I kept thinking in terms of "when things get back to normal." Then, there was a period of wondering if that was even possible. Now, it's been an ongoing process of learning to accept that nothing will be going to go back to the way it was in 2020 (or even, say, 2015). At least...certainly not in my lifetime. It's important for me to remember it's OK to mourn what things were, but it's also important to let it go and greet what's to come. Again, kudos to you both, and everyone else who's responded. I'm looking forward to whatever's in store for AFP/DD. Now, it's off to Mahoney's Rocky Ledge to find a couple larger planters for some leafy pals who are dangerously close to becoming root bound.

Tonya

AFP, thank you for taking the time to respond to fans BUT I only give $1 a month (wish I could donate more but I do what I can) and only scan or read your update’s sparely (wish I could read more but I read what I can) and with all that said, I feel like I could have answered all of those questions for you in a similar way because you have been so open with us. People who don’t have kids and who are not single parents and don’t co-parent with someone who their child loves more than anything else, just don’t understand why we keep our kids lives private. Why we don’t express what happened with their other parent. Yes, it is our life and our pain and ours alone but our child is a part of that story no matter what. Scrolling the internet, we as viewers and as parents are lead to believe, it’s totally normal to post about our kids lives… but it is not normal. Those of us with the wherewithal to think about the future and to think about our children being online and googling their own name, their parents names, and any other person they may have interest in, and being able to find their social media and scroll back throughout time, as if they’ve found a journal, and then see what their parents where saying and doing is something people our age can not imagine. But if we did take a moment to imagine that… we would share much much less. Our kids will be essentially reading our journals. What will make it worse for them is that they will know how many strangers read it. If we talk about then and events that formed their lives, I can’t imagine what that would do to them mentally. I think you’re doing an amazing job and you are keeping us close to you. Another thing about parenting I’ve learned in the short but also very long 10 years I’ve been one is exactly what you’ve expressed here and in other updates. I admire you for it. I love you for it. Thank you for being you.

Erin

You are not required to share your trauma to appease other people. Requesting or requiring that as a condition of support is not friendship or love or anything healthy. On a very personal note, every time I see you say you're tired, it is validating. I, too, am tired. I don't have the energy or desire to do any of the things I used to enjoy and I felt guilt about that. So much fucking guilt. But seeing that I - we - are not alone in this exhaustion is so very, very comforting. So, thank you AFP and all of the people on here who are also tired and vocal about it. We are tired, but I believe we will get through it.

Joni

So many YES's to this... I keep hearing Neil in my head (oodly enough) saying "I'm not your bitch"... He's not wrong. We don't own people, the owe us nothing... We're fans, patrons, consumers... We're "owed" only what the artist wants to share, and as Amanda so rightly says it's a relationship, not a contract. We're under no obligation to stay... But we're NOT privlage to every detail of any artists life, nor should we be, only what they choose to share. That's the whole point of having a private life... One gets to keep it... private.

Barb Carbon

I’m walking in between classes on campus and I definitely don’t have time to read this whole thing, but from what I skimmed, I can say this… as a fellow artist and creator on this platform. You don’t owe anyone fucking anything. The comments that you’re letting get to you are from people who have issues. If they don’t feel like they’re getting their moneys worth then they should just withdraw their support. It makes absolutely no sense to add more pressure and more anxiety to your plate when you’re obviously already dealing with a lot of shit. I don’t even think that they are good fans. They seem far more concerned with their own needs than with how you’re actually doing. They say they want to hear about your heart, but it seems more like they want the juicy gossip. Know that you are not alone. I don’t even have a fucking kid and I’ve been struggling to create anything significant and most of my personal check ins also consist predominantly of “I’m just really fucking overwhelmed and I’m sorry that I’m not present.“ And that is fucking OK. We are presently experiencing the apocalypse. The last two years have been completely life altering and I think it’s gonna take decades for us to even unpack how much they have shaken and unraveled us. I can relate so much to that feeling of grossness that comes along with feeling like you’re disappointing people. But the bottom line is that you can’t help that. How many patrons do you have? A fucking million? Lol Not only can you not please all of the people all of the time, you probably can’t even please most of the people most of the time. I say that I want to make it bigger than I’ve made it, but then I see the kind of pressure and bullshit that you have to deal with and it makes me hesitate. I hope that this comment can remind you that where you are is not a normal place to be and that most people don’t have to deal with this shit. You’re doing fucking great.

Joni

As usual my wise, wise friend and fellow human.. you said what I was trying to frame. That's it. That's why I love you too @Amanda - you keep trying... That's the magic right there.

Kirsten Petersen

Amanda: everyone deserves healthy boundaries, including you. I'm not here for the juicy gossip. I'm here to support you, as a human being, so you can keep having and sharing the interesting ideas you do. I don't think it is right for people to demand more, even if you shared more in the past. I find that creepy and entitled, honestly. Keep doing you. You got this (and we got you).

Kelly Rathmann

I love you, Amanda. And I really love that you went there and joined this conversation, as difficult and painful as it probably was. That's what you're so good at, being vulnerable, sharing of yourself with us when you don't have to, letting us in on who you are and how you are. Being in the messiness. That's where the good stuff is.

Keli Ingrande

I read all yesterday and I support you no matter what 😘 I don’t always get to just hop on here and read everything life happens and it happens on both ends you are awesome and it is still awesome that you find ways to connect with all of us no matter how big or small or how frequent the ways are🥰 I am a mom of three and I get it I know how hard it is to keep ip with it all Hugs and Love~ Keli

holly

yes to this Erin. i’m so tired too. this world, this country (usa) is exhausting. being a human at this time, being a mother, a partner, a friend at this time, is exhausting. i feel a little less alone when i see that others are exhausted too. let’s get through this together Erin. sending you light ✨

Teresa Toro

I'm leaving a hug here on your doorstep, for whenever you feel like having one.

holly

amanda, just sending you love. i echo many of the comments here: we’ve got you. we’re here for you, we support you. 💖

Bob

Everyone has a different relationship with the artists they follow. Most of those relationships are not interactive and transactional by nature. An artist produces music or writes or podcasts and the fans pay for product. Even in today’s streaming environment they pay for art in someway: cash, subscription, etc. Often that relationship is one way. Product is delivered and fans consume it. Patreon makes the transaction more intimate; we can… and do… communicate with you and each other. It’s refreshing. I am a Patreon sponsor for five artists. The level of fan interaction varies, but communication/correspondence from you is clearly the best. I do not expect a false intimacy from you because I give you money each month. I would not dream of asking you things that I would only ask a true friend. I understand boundaries. Would I like a bit of gossip? Sure. Would I like more songs and/or albums? Sure. Do I expect or demand these things? No. Live your life. Be you. Take money from your Patreons to run the enterprise that is Amanda Palmer Inc. expect nothing from me as I expect nothing from you. I love you from afar and am content with this relationship.

Lynn Anderson

Actually I'm kinda upset reading this. Being a Patron of somebody doesn't give them ownership of you. I think they need to address their own reasons for these needs from you to be honest. Just "unpatron" for goodness sake! Personally, I am here because I think the world needs artists more than ever, ever before and you cannot create any art if your fundamentals aren't being met. I love you and your art. I love your spirit and your openness. We all evolve as we age. Our lives change. Ash should absolutely be top of your radar. You're doing great. We see you and we love you ♥️

Betsy Cacchione

I know the difficult ones hurt intensely even when there are a thousand good ones to balance it out but - I've said time and time again: I have no expectations for my patronage. I am paying because the energy that is YOU is something that I want to see exist in the world. Even when I think I know what I want to see from you, the new and surprising things you come up with are ALWAYS satisfying. I don't have any time. I am thousands deep in unanswered emails. I rarely answer phone calls because I am too exhausted to deal with the energy required to have that conversation. I honestly feel bad that I don't respond to YOUR posts enough. I read almost all of them but rarely have the energy or time to respond. It is true that we have all been used to hearing every tiny detail of your life because you have always been a very open book and as we grow older and have more people in our lives whose personal information intertwines with ours, we become responsible for more than just ourselves. I think it is admiral and a great show of integrity that in the last few years you have started keeping a few things to yourself because they involve other people in your life, not just your own personal feelings. Or they are simply no ones business but your own. That may take a little getting used to for some of your fanbase. It's a little like when you have always had a deeply open parent child relationship and the child always tells you EVERYTHING. And then they get a little older and start to realize they don't need to tell their parent EVERY SINGLE thing. They start to have a few things that they keep to themselves. Not because there is anything wrong with those things. Just because they are becoming an adult. And adults are allowed to have privacy. But it's still hard for the parent to watch that transition and somehow feel like they will always be a LITTLE BIT on the outside now. We, your fanbase, are a little like that "parent", getting used to the newest evolution of Amanda, and mourning the little "child" version of Amanda that we remember, who didn't have relationships and parenthood tempering her radical transparency. But the new evolution is still just as raw and open and beautiful and exciting as ever. Just with a little more discernment. I will say though - the claim that you have not been sharing yourself, your thoughts, your feelings, over these last few years makes me feel like they weren't reading very far into your posts. The first few sentences were often - I'm exhausted. I'm tired. I can't write. But then - you WOULD anyway. Either later in the same post. Or the next day in another post. I hope that everyone in your fan base finds exactly what they need, when and where they need it. But what they are feeling is not due to a lack from you. You shared SO MUCH of your personal feelings about the world and what was happening and what was going on around you. I don't feel like you left at all. I feel like I have ben with you all along. And I can't wait to see you again and hug you in person. Love and support forever, my evolving Amanda - wrapping my etheric arms around your heart! -Betsy from Omega

Steve MacArthur

If I may, I don't support you because I require your attentions, I support you because I believe in the importance of helping folks get better, be better, be more, just be. The whole thing kinds of falls and apart and twitches if there is no trust. I know that you are doing what you need to do in order to be (and I'm doing the same), so whatever that ends up being (a lot of "be's" here), then I am more than cool with that and if you're being leads you to focus on stuff that doesn't include necessarily include me as a going concern, more power to you. You keep at it, kiddo - the world is better for it!

Maria

I have been a supporter and fan since before the Kickstarter and understand, especially with my own life and problems, that we have to set things aside whether we like it or not. I am finally at a time in my life where I can do things I want to do instead of what I'm told to do.. I am out of a controlling relationship of 20 years. I appreciate whatever you put out but only became a patreon to help support your art because I respect you and your art. I am lucky enough to have tickets to 2 shows in Woodstock and am beyond excited to see the Dresden Dolls, my first time! Do what you need to do because you are dealing with more than I know I can imagine. Can't wait for next week!! <3

Kendra L.

OMFG, sweetie, I am SO SORRY. I've been here since before Kickstarter as well, I've cried with you online, on twitter, in person in Austin. Fuck those entitled brats. You continue to do YOU. Things ebb and flow and wane and wax and whatever. I wouldn't have you any other way. I LOVE YOU

Jo

Nothing but ❤️

Christine Louise Trudeau

Ditto what Angel Rosen & others like Barb Carbon have said: you do not owe anyone fucking anything. As a long-time fan ('04) and intermittent patron (working Indigenous journalist = broke a lot of the time), you have given me personally Amanda and thousands of others so much already; anything you decide to post or not post about on Patreon is 100% your call. Boundaries are essential to respect here, fellow fans. I'm just here to support an artist who I love and that helped inform and shape me as a human and as an artist in my own right. Love to everyone <3 Miigwech (thank you)

Andrea Hasenberger

I am here because I love your art and I think you're an amazing woman and I'm proud to be able to contribute a little bit to support you. I'm perfectly fine with whatever you choose to share with us, it's always a pleasure for me to read what you send out. Reading about your life with your son reminds me of the time when my children were that age and of all the challenges of being a single parent. I still am a single mother but my kids are teenagers now, still challenging, in other ways but less time consuming. I think you're great! Sending love and hugs from one working mother to another. And a big smile from an all-time fan

Caitlin Brown

Am I the only one that's downright confused about the complaint? Like, I legitimately have a hard time reading everything because of how much you write to us. Don't get me wrong, I love to read it but... what? You talk about Ash all the time. You talk about your life all the time. Especially your mental state, which I really appreciate, because it helps me feel not so alone in my thoughts. But I just wanted to throw that out there. I really am so confused that it can't be enough for some...

Manu Bö

I appreciate your honesty and connection with your fans. What you share about your life is totally up to you. No matter what other people want. I am here for your art. ❤️

Alleria0

I love you and I’ve been happy with what you’ve been able to share over the past few years ❤️ you always inspire me. And here for the art first and foremost.

Elise Feldman

Honestly, I don't even know what to say to this person. But I feel like I take so much from all you post and want to give you at least a few words back. Honestly, I think humans are all a bit salacious. Some more, some less. Some try to hold it in, some don't GAF. Do I know who Neil is? Yes. Have I read his stuff? Yes. Was he my favorite author before I found you? Yes. Did I even know you were connected to him when I first found you? Nope. Do I have that little germ of "ooooh what happened" and "oh no I hope they're happy" and "oy, Ash"? Yes. Do I then think, "Elise, STFU. It's not your business and you may want to scratch that itch but you pay her Patreon (at varying levels over time - sidenote - I do appreciate your heartfelt pleas to people to cut back when they need to. It's definitely kept me from feeling guilty and then either completely cutting out so as to not feel guilty or spending too much and then being anxious)... anyhoo, "Elise, you pay her Patreon for her music, her poetry, her art, her collaborations, the guest appearances, and sure, whenever she can share something personal, that, too, since it becomes part of her art, part of the support." But I never ever truly think, oh darn, I need to sign off because gee, she hasn't given every f'ing piece of her soul and relationship. I'm not the devil. Or a dementor. Or It (Charles Wallace "It" not Georgie "It"). Or whatever. I'm a consumer, a community member, and a taker of what is freely given. And you sure do give a lot more of yourself than most artists. I mean, frankly, your confessions of motherhood, trauma, covid experiences and all have way more meaning in my life as a working mom of twins (near Ash's age - they're 8) during covid than any of the trials and tribulations you have with a famous partner who needs to do what he needs to do while you need to do what you need to do. Anyway, I'm glad you're still here, that you haven't said "F IT" despite the crap you get in various places of social media. And I do hate to say stuff about another member who has a right to their own opinion about things, but I do feel, also as a part of this community, as someone who drinks in/ takes up/ breathes your words/ videos/ music, including every one of your "I'm tired todays" (yeah, hoo boy, so am I - do I ever hear that!!! Tired is my existence. All else lives atop it/ beside it/ beneath it), I also felt I needed to reply. Of course, I didn't realize my reply was going to be quite so long. It was meant to be a quick fist bump, I'm here thing. But ok. Anyway. I adore you and your work and boy do I wish I could've gotten up to Woodstock (I'm not THAT far), but oh yeah, work and kids and sht to do. I did get to see the Smashing Pumpkins in NYC though, so that was cool.

Jana

Most of us do not come here to buy friendship, or the person. At least I hope so. I am not even able to read all that you write Amanda, I delete half of it regretfully, and am always amazed how much you give. Thank you!!

Jann

I just want to wrap you in a big hug and tell you it is okay and it will be okay and that I love you because of who you are not because of what you do. I have been here since the first day of your Patreon and I am not going anywhere. I support you living your life how you best see fit and by that you show the rest of us how important that is. Live your life for yourself and Ash and we shall do the same and all meet in the middle with a song and a pint. Blesed be.

Emily Wolverton

I love you. You don't owe me anything. As a busy mom myself, I don't have the time to sit and read even half of what you put out. I admire and respect that you keep Neil out of the conversation, for Ash. I adore you and give you all the grace you need to heal and grow. I know I'm just a stranger on the damn internet.

Paula Melton

I have never commented here before. I am an Old Person with grown kids who just happens to have fallen in love with your work a while back. I read the emails you send and am in awe of your “content” (sorry!) and have been seeing an increasing gap between what you’re managing to do and create and what you FEEL you’re managing to do and create. How dare someone demand even more from you! Your standard for yourself is already too high, and then this total shit comes along and says it’s not high enough? I am livid. This is not ok. It’s emotionally abusive. I feel terrible that this stuck with you so much that you felt you needed to respond. You are doing all this amazing shit, and it’s time for you to acknowledge just how much you’re actually producing. And if your patrons can’t provide emotional support in additional to financial support, they should stay the fuck out of the conversation.

Azucena

I follow you because the now you

Ida Vihko

This might be an unpopular opinion, but I don't understand why you're indulging people like Deevoid. My understanding of patronage is that we're here to support your career as an artist - if people aren't happy with what you're putting out then by all means, leave. I also think it's great that this community is based on such a personal relationship with the art that you make and how open you are with the people who support you. That said, there's a sense of a parasocial relationship gone wrong about Deevoid's comment, that borders on stalkerish. You don't owe your supporters every detail of you personal life, we don't own you as a human being. It's nice if/when you want to share, but that shouldn't be what people are paying for. Even though you have a very communal approach to this group of people, we're not your friends in the literal way, where you bare your soul to us. You could never know all of us that personally, and you do not owe us that. I don't think that kind of ask is right or fair, and feels pretty abusive.

Pucci Dellanno

hmmmmm ok my 0.000002c's worth: mainly, my comment is, I am contributing to AFP the artist, and I'll have a lil rant while I get a chance. I am VERY happy we have some art happening again in general worldwide, and selfishly I'm very happy that you're back in the US making art with friends. that's because I have been suffering during the pandemic: I haven't got the slightest curiosity about Amanda's lovelife/kid/neighbours - sorry to be so blunt. the never-ending photos of a growing little boy are nothing I care about, and (in this bit I agree with the original questioner) as a feminist I can only think FFS when Amanda tells us bits about her heartbreak (I woke up one morning to BBC news telling me a man was being questioned in regard of driving from LHR to northern Scotland during lockdown and I wished I had no idea WTF it was about, meh). nobody obliged me to read the posts - I read them hoping for glimpses of art, and I obviously could not expect performance art to happen in lockdown so I kept my support going and finally saw photos of gigs in Aotearoa, and Australia, and now finally, FINALLY I hear about shows and see photos of Dresden Dolls, and collaborations, and yes this is what I am hoping for. so, do I give a flying eff about AFP's private life? nope. do I think AFP did the best to keep a flow of conversation when art was something that couldn't happen? yup (I remember the first lockdown upright piano). keep on rocking, AFP.

Oliver

It has been said before, but nevertheless I want to add my voice: 1) I am here for the art of AFP. 2) I am here for the artist AFP. 3) I am here for what the person AP wants to share with her patrons. 4) Responsibility for your child and yourself and the people you care about always comes first. The internet (even the smaller and kinder circle that is patreon) is not and will never be a safe space. 5) You do you.

Kathryn Drew

"and have been seeing an increasing gap between what you’re managing to do and create and what you FEEL you’re managing to do and create." - precisely

April

I'm glad someone already mentioned the parasocial relationship and that we're not actually friends with you. I can't call you up and talk to you about life. You are not my friend, you're an unusually vulnerable in public artist whom I adore for exactly that reason. Even calling this patreon a community is questionable because a collective of people who gather around one person's content/ideas is not a true community (see M Scott Peck's definition of community to see where I'm coming from). What I see in the funky comment is the same kind of entitlement I see every day on social media. Like the kind of entitlement that last week harrassed a young actor till he was forced to come out as bi to stop the harrasent about queerbaiting. No one is entitled to anything from a creator ever! If someone doesn't like what you're doing they have the autonomy to leave just as you have the autonomy to do whatever you want. Someone imagining their "friendship" with you is superior to your (and your child's) needs is contemptuous bs.

mary b merryman

I Really, Totally don't care about getting attention from you! I know you're busy, as am I. The daily work, shop for food and necessities, clean the house, even without a kid is enough. You don't need to fill a void in my soul, I have plenty of support here. I like your music (don't understand all of it, whatever), so just do your life

Parker

Indeed. Patronage is about supporting creativity. End of. The comment that sparked this post from afp sparked a ‘wtf?’ from me. Seriously. What. The. Actually. Feck? How can anyone feel that they’re entitled to someone else publicly sharing deeply personal, possibly also deeply traumatic and triggering, information? Huh? How has that become a thing? Really. I’m asking for help to understand how society got to such a…sorry, I have to use the word again, entitled place? This has been an almost perfect illustration of where we’re at as a society at the moment. Sigh. It’s so so so darn depressing.

Parker

Yep. This sums things up well. Thank you …i wonder…are there journalists who become Patrons hoping they’ll get an inside scoop? Or is that just my growing pessimism talking?

Parker

Place those fucking boundaries up. Let me hand you the trowel. 💗…oh yeah. This needs to be a poster/card/shirt. Thank you

Parker

Thanks for the reminder Len. I realise that I have compassion fatigue. That’s on me. All we can do is to try and learn, and do our best, and try not to repeat the mistakes once we’ve realised that’s what they are. Wishing all who read this…or commented here…a smooth path. May the days be kind to you.

Heidi Makela

Oh, hey Amanda. You are doing a Fucking Good Job. 💙💙💙

Josie Wall

I didn't join Patreon immediately, and I don't comment here a lot but I do read everything and I've been a fan of yours and of the Dresden Dolls for a long time. To this day I don't think any piece of media speaks to me in quite the same way that hearing Girl Anachronism for the first time did, and In My Mind has been the blueprint that got me through so many things. I've felt that having this very personal and very intimate insight into your world, especially through the pandemic, has been a lifeline for me. I don't think you have been neglectful or absent, I think you have been raw and honest and seeing you strive to live meaningfully and build community have really inspired me to do the same in my own tiny ways. I was overjoyed that the Dresden Dolls gigs were going to happen, because I love those songs and I am so glad you get to play them again together. I don't think you have to have all the answers, I think that you are on a journey and thanks to Patreon, we all get to go along for the ride, but I'm not entitled to anything more than you freely want to share. You haven't ever met me, and yet what you do chose to share with me is extraordinarily personal and open. Thank you for being you, but don't feel pressured to give away too much of yourself until you are worn paper thin. Keep some things back and use them to rebuild. I hope that you feel that you have found your place in the world again soon- because from the outside looking in, any place you are is a little better for having you in it.

Len Tower Jr.

Excellent except: Deevoid thinks Amanda is no longer writing about the things Deevoid wants to read.

Milan

You never owed any of us an explanation about your personal life, and I think many of the people here agree. The only thing I expect from you as a Patron is for you to keep creating. Honestly, I don't even care WHAT you create, as long as you share the results of that with us. I think you do a wonderful job keeping us updated on the things. You also deserve your privacy 💜

Lisa JW

Amanda you don’t owe any of us anything at all and it’s incredibly entitled for any patron to think that you do. Sending love. I’m GLAD you’ve taken the down time you need after such a horrifically traumatic couple of years. And I’m GLAD because I appreciate you are an individual person with your own needs and life and you aren’t a product for us to consume. Love you xx

kristen

I’m glad this is a place where people feel like they can ask questions. Especially the hard and painful ones that make us really reflect on ourselves. I think the important part is to ask in way that is respectful and that comes from a genuine place of caring. The questions were painful, yes. But I do think they came from a place of caring. Amanda, I’m very glad you’ve taken the time you need. I’m very glad that this community, that I’m so happy to be a part of, could help provide some support and comfort. I’m glad you took the time to answer these questions. They were so insightful, wise and they tugged at my heart. I love you ❤️ I’m also glad that Deevoid asked them. This is a community that IMHO is built on honesty, love and support and I think that includes sometimes asking hard or uncomfortable questions. I think Amanda’s response was honest and kind and loving. I’m a little sad to see the negative comments directed the OP’s way. Not everyone has to agree, not everyone has to share the same feelings. I don’t think saying I love you Amanda, I see and appreciate you and I’m glad you’ve slowed down, doesn’t become more valid or more supportive when it’s followed up by a negative comment directed towards someone else. I think it can just foster an environment where people might feel less inclined to share something that may not be a popular point of view. I guess I just feel like there is enough room here for all of our feelings. I love this community for it’s ability to provide so much love, support, openness, creativity and so much thought provoking, perspective shifting and soul soothing art and conversation. It’s such a wonderful corner of the interwebs ❤️

Tammi L

I'm sorry, but I literally can't imagine messaging someone and complaining that they aren't being vulnerable enough with *checks October Althing* over ten thousand people, the vast majority of whom they've never seen or spoken to, and some of whom, let's face it, are just haters who've paid a dollar hoping Amanda will let slip some pain they can feast on. Like what in the actual fuck; who does that??? Questioning changes in how you interact and are or aren't present for your community of Patrons is one thing, but acting entitled to most intimate details of your MARRIAGE and being furious when you won't hand them over is just gross gross gross, to a degree that is genuinely unfathomable to me. I'm sorry to call anyone out personally, but WOW.

Tammi L

Yes. None of her replies to the specific questions was one bit surprising.

Tammi L

"Artists are not…uh…coin-operated" Kinda feels like guys who complain about the "friend zone" as though girls are some kind of machine where you put kindness in and sex falls out.

Tammi L

"you are all talking about entitlement" But this is the textbook definition of that. No offense meant, but what else can you call someone saying they're angry that Amanda won't tell them the most private details of her deteriorating marriage?

Tammi L

Also, in light of today's announcement, I've got to say to these folks: Now that you've forced a public statement that Amanda may or may not have felt truly ready to make, I hope you're happy. She's bleeding in public now; is that what you wanted?

Ria

Thank you for putting this into these wonderful words. I share your sentiments fully.

ArGii

"What has your last couple years felt like? Like Hell. I have never suffered this much and been exposed at close range to so much human pain, broken mental health, trauma and unspeakable darkness. It has been fucking horrifying." ^ I feel this

Katie Roberts Art

I'm so sorry this happened! :( I also want to say how much I have appreciated your content lately Amanda. I was one of the few people who gave some negative feedback last time you asked for our honest opinions. I was missing content from you (and a bit pissed off that your patreon posts felt secondary to instagram and facebook) I am so SO happy to say that this changed straight away! THANK YOU! It has felt like you have posted generously and kept us connected and offered us a variety of content from voice rambles to little videos to actual invitations to the movies! I just want to say that matters a lot and I really appreciate it and noticed it. All that when you had such a busy October and are going through such a difficult time personally too. I do not need to know the details of your intimacies. You share far more then any person on the internet that I know. I think you keep it real and have healthier boundaries then you used to, for that I am very proud of you and your 'healing' and prioritising. Keep it real, keep us close, but don't give up yourself. <3

Andrea Majeski

just want to say that, personally, I've never felt a decline in the love you give. has it taken a slightly different shape? maybe, if I stop to think about it. but barely. if our thinking is healthy enough, we all recognize boundaries and how they shift and change as we ourselves shift and change. I know mine have over the years and yours must as well. I recognize the privilege of being the audience to your art, a fan to your artist. having the experience of an artist like yourself in my life since I was a teen to now, my mid 30s is am exceptional thing that I know is rare. most people don't ever have an audience/artist relationship like we have and it's something I cherish. it's taught me a lot. I remember an old, old, old, old blog from back in the day. oversaturation vs mystic, I think it was called. it's stayed w me obviously if I'm recalling it here. this post brought it to the forefront of my mind. the ever growing responsibility that we probably recommend and more, and understand better as we get older of how our personal lives are not just our own, especially if there's an audience like there is here, for you. it's easy for me to understand that sharing parts of your life that involves others who have their own boundaries are not solely your story/experience to tell, but if it were I think you probably would or at least want to. but it's not and that's that and it's fine. it's responsible. it's compassionate and caring not to and i love you for it. it's not mine or ours to demand. part of this dynamic we've created over the years is about respecting eachothers boundaries, and being what it is, the boundaries of your closest are part of the package. all my love to everyone you love, which includes you and all of us. I'm writing this on a chilly day in KCMO, eagerly anticipating my adventure to Woodtock to my favorite band on the 12th. let me tell you, all my past music loving fan selves all bursting up from the deep...the 17 yr old, 20 yr old, 23, 30, 33...parts of all of those selves who brought somwthing different to every dolls, solo, show are getting excited. I feel them all and I can't wait to connect with you once again. "sound is the blood between me and you" (if you need a song about the romance between artist and the audience it's romance by wild flag). all my love, all my love. see you soon!

Gabrielle Orcutt

I just want to say that when I read your posts about parenting and feeling overwhelmed and struggling to balance work and motherhood - I felt seen. Thank you for sharing of yourself like that. For me, there were no gaps at all in what you were sharing. It was a privilege to see somebody who I admire and who is immensely successful and good and what they do ALSO sharing about the overwhelm of single parenting.

Gabrielle Orcutt

Also, it's good to have boundaries around what you choose to share. Thanks for modelling that for us too!

Kathryn Drew

What a beautiful post. And it takes a special someone to be comfortable enough in themselves to know the absence is not about them, and to keep offering their love.

Eva Bellmann

First: I love you. Second: I see you. Mothering is hard. Especially in times like these. I know that 4pm-melancholy. For me it has lots to do with just having a full work-day done, having hit the limit of what you can easily do and knowing that there are so many more hours to do. I love you. And I will be here, holding your hand because that's what I do when a loved one hurts.

Róisín O'Connor

Amanda, I f-king love you. Times a million. The context around everything you’ve done has always been clear. I think the best thing here is that you are teaching a person who has no sense of boundary, a compassionate way to learn about it. All I’ve wanted was your art, and everything else was a bonus, a delicious fillip. Anyone who’s been through separation, had to suddenly relocate and remake a community around themselves, knows how much that upends a person’s sense of self. Love Love Love Love Love Love Love And if I ever get to meet you I will give you the biggest hug. Seriously.

Chad Boykin

I love being able to support artists directly on Patreon and that’s all it needs to be.

Lenore

You are a good human bean. You don’t need to explain yourself. I’m a Patreon because I believe in supporting YOU. Not just your art. You, the person behind the art. Times are tough for you right now and you are doing right by your kid. Everyone has a right to privacy, especially during traumatic times. Expecting you to put your fans before yourself and your family just feels asinine. You never have to explain yourself to me ever. I’m sorry you felt like you needed to explain.

Tim

I love you, Amanda. Seeing you slow down and change your priorities is one of the most inspiring things I've seen you do (and there have been quite a few!). Thank you for putting your kid and yourself first. I still feel honoured to have the opportunity to support you through whatever you need to do to heal.

Franziska

Tearing up over here. I love you.

Bryony

Something we need to consider when our parenting journeys graduate from babyhood to parenting a developing independent personality, is consent. I think you are handling this part of this transition perfectly. Whatever we share of our children will be permanently available on the interwebs forever. Their journeys are their own and until they can give comprehending consent to us sharing it we walk a difficult tight rope of telling enough of our own stories without including too much of theirs. Grace is hard to come by over an open wound. Thank you for doing your best to share yourself with us.

John Dalton

I've been feeling weirdly guilty for a while about the fact that I haven't been following along on the patreon or even reading most of the emails for a little while now. I'm not really sure why, a combination of time and headspace. It's not about the art - sometimes it hits for me and sometimes it doesn't, but I have always loved the way you do it. This post has cured me of any sense of guilt. Please know that my support (which - I just checked - has been since 2015) comes with no strings attached. For either of us! I resolve to stop feeling guilty about supporting a patreon just because I think it's worthwhile even if I'm not engaging with the creator. And I hope you know (as the comments on this post appear to attest) that *most* of us understand what it is we are supporting. Thanks also for explicitly talking about this stuff and setting firm, sensible boundaries. Keep doing you, whatever that looks like as life and circumstances change.

Zarich Catlin-Hallett

I don’t know what Deevoid *thinks* Patreon is for, but I do know that being a patron doesn’t give anyone the right to demand more attention because they don’t think they’re getting enough. Or to demand information. Especially personal information. Especially about third parties, *especially* where it’s clear that “stuff” is going on that is clearly difficult, where children are involved, where adults with feelings are involved. As I read your post, Amanda, I felt absolutely incandescent with fury that anyone would think it acceptable to speak to you like this. I’m so sorry that you had to read those comments. They were unacceptable, mean,entitled, rude. You, of all people, who communicate so much of your life, work and feelings - STILL. As far as I’m concerned you have communicated just as you always have. You’ve been honest about pandemic struggles, about how your country feels now, about family and relationships. You are still (and always bloody have been) a shining example of how people *should* communicate. I’ve probably commented twice before, but I’ve never felt that my involvement with your Patreon somehow entitled me to bits of your life you hadn’t yet offered. Nor will I. Patrons need to remember that they become a patron because they support THE WORK of an individual. Not so that the patron can treat that individual like a rat in a cage and poke said rat if they feel the rat isn’t being interesting enough. (People who poke pets to make them do something need their fingers cutting off.) Yes I *am* a bit shouty. (Been ill.) I BET they’d never have made those comments if you were a bloke.

Olenka Fawkes

You do not owe anyone an explanation. You do not owe deevoid or anyone happiness. The before times Amanda is gone. The after (covid times) amanda does not owe ANYONE ANYTHING. Thank you for posting this Amanda, because I totally agree with you and angel. I support you whether or not I see or read your work. Xx Nicole

Molly Haselhorst

This made two disparate things pop into my brain: "Hey-- I'm here for the art" and "What is it that people aren't getting about fricking COVID???" Families were separated for YEARS (my sister-in-law saw her mother for the first time in three years and she could have died before that happened). People are so impatient with wait staff, with customer service, there is so much Veruca Salt going around that I'm wondering where they get off. Please, can we just be patient and kind until things calm down a bit more? Feel the power of giving more (more patience, more kindness) than you thought you could and let yourself experience wonder when you see something beautiful. This conversation has been valuable, so perhaps there is also a good side to people expressing disappointment.

Penny Sullivan

I think you've actually been incredibly open and honest about what you're feeling and going through. You haven't given us a blow by blow of your relationship with Neil. But that's just gossip. We don't need to know those details to hear how you're coping with it (or not coping). I think you and Neil have both made it pretty clear that Neil isn't comfortable with the details of his life and his relationships with you and Ash being up for public consumption. And Ash is too young to consent to the details of his life being made public. So asking for any further details about *their* lives is really kinda gross. It's asking for you to violate their autonomy and privacy. That's not a reasonable thing for anyone to demand, no matter how much they dress it up as "caring for Amanda and wanting to know how she is." You can and have told us how you are without divulging all those details that aren't yours to share.

Amanda B

The audacity of some people! I feel like telling them get a life already!!! Living vicariously through anyone isn’t healthy. You have evolved and are no longer that 20 yr old I think they are wanting. 🤷🏻‍♀️ keep making music, use your experiences to write those lyrics that have resonated with me over the years. Keep making art! We’re here for the long haul 💜 You owe no one an explanation about your personal life. The fact you share anything is a privilege to your fans.

Melanie Nordberg

You share more of yourself than any person I know. I think that is not only incredibly brave, but the honesty with which you do that makes me feel like I know you as well as I know my friends and family. You are family, you feel like family - and family go through shit. I will continue to support you no matter what <3

D

COVID was and is frickin' hard. It, in and of itself, was traumatic. Nevermind having a little kid, nevermind being famous, nevermind the personal. So much of what you said is relatable- we all have other characters in our lives with their own autonomy, and when we love and respect them, we honor their wishes- particularly when someone's just a kid. So, idk, you're doing great. I get the need for connection, especially from someone who's laid it all our for the public over the years. But, love- even the friendship/fanship kind of love- is understanding that sometimes, people have to protect themselves and those they love.

Seia Gamble

I think it's strange that people on your patreon are wondering why you're no longer their 'friend'. I deeply love the relationship you've built with your community, but I think people don't get the boundaries of this stuff. It's not going to be like it was in the early Dresden Dolls days. That's not how the internet is anymore. It's not how fame is anymore. You aren't our 'friend', you're a person who we respect and hope to be respected back. I don't know, I think it's strange to watch you for the last few years have have the takeaway be 'she's not vulnerable enough'. You aren't here to sell your life for money. You ask for us to fund your art. There is a degree of professionalism still present here, and I'm sorry that people are expecting you to be a 'friend' to anyone who gives money to you on the internet. You have a child and a marriage (in whatever state) that you are managing. Friendship is not bought. You do a wonderful job keeping us in the loop, but you are allowed to keep your life. I don't expect you to sell that to me for three dollars a month. Keep your life, thank you for being as open as you see fit. Get some rest. Tend to your child. Tend to yourself. - A fan that feels deeply catered to.

Andrea Hamann

Arrgggghhhhhhhhh. I said it on another post and I’ll say it again. You don’t owe us every detail of your life. You don’t owe us the inner workings of your heart. That would be a perverse expectation. We choose to be hear and to give you space to live and grow. That’s what patronage is!!! I became your patron after you landed and settled into NZ. When you were in Hawkesbay. Because frankly that’s when your experience became richer and more relatable to me. Sometimes being an artist is about surviving and brewing. Some artists need years to survive and brew. And somehow you’ve managed to go through all kinds of Covid nightmare (do people not understand how paralysing culture shock is—and having to do that as a single mum while the world /your world is falling apart) and still you have regularly posted shared some amazing stuff (roundhouse studios HELLO). FFS. My god!!!!! Personally I’m amazed how much you give, so I reckon that palaver you had to read was less about what you give, and more about someone else’s unrealistic expectations.

Ofel Epicorus

I am late for the party, but I intentionally kept the reminder email about this post because it felt important to me. You are important to me. I am so grateful for Angel's reply, because knowing that someone understands us can make a world of difference. And as always, I am in awe of you and your ability to answer comments that clearly hurt you deeply, with such kindness and care. I love and appreciate you, and I have seen you connect here, on other platforms and in real life over the last couple of years. For what it's worth, I am not a disappointed Patron. You have done so much during this shitstorm, and while I am happy to see posts and events from you, I do not expect them. I enjoy what you are comfortable putting out there, and I enjoy the community. The connection is not gone, in my eyes. Please take care of you and Ash, I have no doubt that you are doing your best <3

Leira Mayhall

I’m late to read this because… *looks at life in the US*… but I wanted to speak up to you, Amanda, and to the community as well, even though I’m a lurker generally. It’s important to remember that artists are whole-ass human beings who have lives and families and friends and circumstances just like everyone else… Amanda is very honest about her humanity. Adult humans have responsibilities that often are overwhelming and require constant reprioritization even without things like pandemics and other terrifying events on national and world stages. The weight becomes insulating and isolating sometimes, especially when it’s all you can do get a few precious gulps of air before being pulled back under water over and over. When you’re stuck on survival, it’s not hard to suddenly look up one day and realize you haven’t seen a dear friend’s face in many months. That trope about meeting a friend after a long absence and picking up just where you left off as if it were yesterday exists for a reason. Many of us inherently understand that just because someone we love has too many balls in the air to communicate in more that the occasional text doesn’t mean they don’t love us or think about us. They’re simply trying not to drop the breakable shit. Amanda communicates in considerably more than brief texts, memes, and emoji’s. The community relationships that she has cultivated are clearly very important to her, much more important, I think, than simply “making a living”. Just as with any dear one who is in the throes of navigating adult life while simultaneously trying not to drown or drop any balls, empathy and loving support are what is called for. Friendships have a knack for evolving and staying the same all at once. This one is very much included in that. Amanda, your priorities are exactly right right now. Your child and your own mental and emotional health 100% should be at the top of the list. The last few years have been a brutal hellscape. I am thankful for you and your art. I see you. I understand. I’m sending hugs and healing mojo into the atmosphere for you. ❤️ (My apologies for the long sentences, broken analogies, grammatical errors, and exhausted blathering. I needed to comment on this post. I have not read all of the other replies.)