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Mo za

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Fabulous

Lets goo. Right before i sleep on Friday night

Mr Dude

and I just woke up and will watch it next to my breakfast lol

100Rainy

Yeahh...Oda wasn't cooking with that age difference. Literally no reason for her to be that young when they meet. Otherwise it's a pretty wholesome love story

Isaac Sato

Yeah the age gap is weird and a little sus. Personally, I just try not to think about it, or I just headcanon that she's like 20. But yeah, Kyros had likely had just turned 25; he was 15 in the flashback and spent 9 years in the coliseum, so he probably has an early birthday. Honestly, I don't know why Oda couldn't have just made his birthday a little later in the year to take another year off, and maybe have made him 14 before the coliseum, and maybe made his tenure there 8 years. There would be some days he must have done two fights but he's fuckin' Kyros, he's fine. Then age up Scarlett a few years and assume she has a January birthday and you have something like 23 and 19, which is not nearly as bad. You could age Viola up a couple of years too. The fact that it's so easy to fix is what makes it so sus. Edit: Before anyone tries to tell me that 'it's different in Japan', I have family in Tokyo, Hiroshima, Yamaguchi, all over Okinawa, and probably elsewhere who I haven't met yet, close family friends in Kobe and Tokyo, and several close friends who I went to school with who live in the greater Tokyo metropolitan area (Yokohama/Chiba/Kawasaki). I'm of Japanese/Okinawan descent, passably speak the language, and have been to Japan more than a dozen times, so trust me when I say: it's weird in Japan, too.

cyberc33

What happens in dressrosa stays in dressrosa

Capitano

The shot of Scarlet, Rebecca and Kyros looking over a burning Dressrosa we already saw in Rebecca's backstory, only Kyros was missing because Rebecca forgot about him.

Jack Shadow

Japanese and their age kink is kinda awful

unlucker

I'll never understand people stressing over age gaps in a fantasy story, like every piece of source material or inspiration for similar stories didn't have young princesses marrying grown knights. If they were being overtly sexual to or about someone underage i'd get it, but that's not the case at all

Monkey bing bong

Some form of fetishization of American age laws.

Oussama Essamadi

Kyros wishing everyone would forget him always gets me.

Azazelop

The difference is that this is a story being written today, not 50 years ago

Ty

Nah dogs it’s just weird. There are states where it’s 16 and that’s super weird as well. There is no reason for Oda to have made Scarlett 15 here. It is just fucking weird

Ty

Literally nothing would change in the story of Scarlett was a little older. Makes no sense for her to be 15 here.

Sanji Joestar

Not sure if you remember but in episode 637 there's an old man in the Coloseum crowd saying he recognized Ricky's fighting style but couldn't tell from where. He was also in the crowd when Kyros joined the Coloseum and was there to witness Kyros vs Riku. That's why it felt familiar to him. Love this detail cuz Riku wasn't erased but Kyros was. So half of that memory was affected for this guy. And all he could remember involved Ricky's fighting style.

Gregoor yyy

Who cares about the age? It‘s an anime 🤣

Ty

its weird bro

Hiren Patel

it does matter. Stories are set with morals and standards we follow. Should we be impressed and emulate his tenacity in the ring? Or his willingness to move on and heal from his past traumas? Do we accept the drastic power dynamic that happens and more times than not does not allowe the one with less powerful to decide what they want out of a situation? If you want to turn your brain off and pretend it doesn't matter, society gets influenced by the culture expressed through media. Aka.. kinda creepy in general that he was flirting with a 15 year old as a way older dude.

Jeremy

Didn’t even notice the age thing definitely don’t love that lmao

Monkey D.offy Lucci

Personally, I find it ironic that Kyros was 25 when he fell in love with Scarlett and Scarlet died at 25.

RedFaulkner

Aliciaxlife and the rest of us have decided to “Pretend the age gap isn’t there” But I can’t forget it. So I just focus on the father daughter relationship

RedFaulkner

I’m kinda hoping they completely reverse this decision in THE One Piece reanimation. Just make her 20, please WIT Studios, please

Artemis

In the context of these historical and cultural influences, the marriage of a twenty-year-old princess is considered quite late by traditional standards. For example cobra tried to arrange a marriage for Vivi, despite a significant age difference. With this kind of cultural traditionalism, oda tries to depict accurate history, I also should mention that even today, Japan's age of concent was 13 for over a century and recently just changed to only 16 in 2023. This is a manga for the japanese audience so it will follow cultural norms and laws of japan, not the USA. This explains why many characters in anime, manga, and video games appear much younger yet are placed in adult situations and romantic storylines. Spain which this arc is influenced from, also has an age of consent at 16 years old, but prior to that was also 13 like japan. Modern readers, especially those from different cultural backgrounds, may find the age differences and portrayals of younger characters in adult scenarios uncomfortable now and unfortantly alot of these stories are under so much scrutinity from readers, even though the time period reflects ancient customs in the story. These sociatal views are not the same in every country in the world not even taking into account the historical time periods, the work is trying to reflect, and people need to understand that.

Artemis

TY Its only weird to you because you’re not born in a time period reflecting the Vikings or gladiators era, and your also not accustomed to different cultural norms such as Japan which if you do some research about age of consent, im sure your aware of how vastly different it is to America and that goes with many countries across the world. However, the issue with this kind of perspective isn't so much the age gap, it’s the principle behind erasing history and this goes far deeper than just one piece and unfortunately so many works of art are under scrutiny because of this modern-day mindset and collective push to remove/change things that people today see as inappropriate. Eventually these once great historical epics, full of gritty realism, which includes war battles, political intrigue and oppression, sex and violence, will end up being sanitized just because the modern-day western sensibilities can't hack it. It is sad and this is something I will never advocate for. Oda by definition is a man who doesn't let these modern-day sociatal influences, change his story and I applaud him for that. This is why "sexism" is still so prevelant in his story even 20 years later. Kuina is a woman whose exceptional skill and strength are undeniable, yet she faces the harsh reality that she cannot become a swordsman in her world. Her story is not just about personal ambition; it is deeply rooted in the theme of breaking free from the shackles of an oppressive society. Yet some modern OP readers critize it for not presenting equality for gender roles. Without even understanding the underpinned themes of the story, this kind of point of view is just wrong and its destroying art because everyone wants something that has to conform to modern-day sensibilities and cultural norms, not traditional history. Thank the lord and heaven, that Japan's manga industry has not sunk as low as hollywood has, thats all im going to say, but the usa of america is slowly trying to change that.

Ty

This is silly logic. Just because people in the past married young or because age of consent laws are different doesn’t make this any less weird. Oda isn’t writing a historical piece, he’s writing a fantasy action manga. Just because a certain culture upholds a value doesn’t mean you can’t criticize it. If the age of consent in Japan was 8, would you excuse Oda writing Scarlett to be 8? Oda is a very worldly man and understands a lot about cultures outside his own, so it’s not really an excuse that he made her so young when it doesn’t even add anything good to the story. I’m sorry but Oda made this weird choice, and I think all criticism of it is valid. Oda is writing in the modern day, and he isn’t writing a historical piece. He should have known better and understood that a 15-year-old marrying someone much older than her is fucking weird. And yes, it was bad that people used to give their CHILD daughters away to grown men in the past too, so even though it happened, it’s still fucking weird.

Jn Whalien

It's weird in modern context but in a monarch country and historically it was accurate. Just because it wasn't acceptable or that it's questionable in this time doesn't mean it was invalid to write such story. It was written in modern times but the story progress with a lot of culture references, past, present, possibly future. That's why every reaction to it is valid as well.

Gaetan

"cultural norms and laws of japan, not the USA", you mean the country where half the voting population elected a not so quiet piggy p*do?