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JoyBoy

What I like about Fuji is how different he is from Smoker, we’ve seen Smoker team up with Pirates for a common goal but Fuji’s rigid nature can’t allow for that.

Sanji Joestar

Very interesting discussions in this episode Can't wait for y'all to see how it actually develops

Skele

i think you meant rigid*

Sanji Joestar

" Pirates are evil? The Marines are righteous? These terms have always changed throughout the course of history! Kids who have never seen peace and kids who have never seen war have different values! Those who stand at the top determine what's wrong and what's right! This very place is neutral ground! Justice will prevail, you say? But of course it will! Whoever wins this war becomes «Justice» ! " Doflamingo during Marineford Bro was talking about himself there at the beginning

JoyBoy

whoops! Thanks.

Albanese

Cool episode, even more cool discussion

Matthew Gilroy

A simple explanation for Fujitora. Oda can't let an Admiral get involved too much, let alone go all-out. The only one he's done that for is Akainu, and it was against Yonko Whitebeard, his forces, and multiple big-names such as the likes of Jimbei, Ivankov and Crocodile

Erica Wilder Boulter

"So basically he's a petty, sour grapes bitch who thinks he's the victim" EXACTLY. Doffy is fantastic at masking, but he really does have the mentality and emotional control of a child when things aren't going his way, almost like part of him became permanently emotionally stunted during that period where his family first came down to earth and they went from hunters to the hunted. You guys are half right in regards to why Doffy hates Law, but his main beef with Law is that (by choosing not to be in his Family anymore) he is REJECTING him - which, in my opinion, is actually the thing Doffy hates most in the world rather than just a vague "people looking down on me" thing. Because, at this point, he has a documented pattern of going ballistic every single time it happens: [1] he tried decapitating Crocodile at Marineford after he rejected his offer to team up, [2] he's clearly got a seething hatred for Law while also simultaneously (almost desperately) asking him "why did you choose *my brother* over me? Why did you chose *Luffy* over me?" over and over, [3] and now we see his primary motivation for wanting to destroy the world is the Celestial Dragons rejecting him when he tried to return. It's such an interesting motivation, honestly. If it were anyone else or written any other way, I feel like I would just be like "...that's it? Abandonment issues and an inability to cope with rejection? *That's* why you're evil? Lame." but, I don't know - I can't explain it, but Oda really did a good job giving that motivation a lot of "texture and depth", as it were. It doesn't feel shallow at all. It feels intriguing. It feels like there's real earth-shattering history behind it rather than it just being something petty (which it technically kind of is because, like you said, Doffy is ultimately just a petty bitch with a score to settle, lol.)

ednapls

Keep in mind Doffy is doing all this shit while upkeeping the Birdcage AND controlling hundreds of civilians individually miles away from him. This guy is broken. 😭

Cheddah Slammer

I feel like what the Navy would want is for Fujitora to capture all the Pirates in this situation, so he could equally go up their and fight Doffy but at the same time fight Law and Luffy. Like lets put Akainu in Fujitora's place, I am 100% certain he would be going after Luffy and Law, as well as Doffy.

Vinny C

Naotoshi Shida.

Gogul Prasad

Where’s the red shirt civilian leader? After getting attacked by pirates, he just disappeared

Capitano

Doflamingo doesn't see Bellamy as his family. He stated in an earlier episode that only those who are executives and above are his family. Anytime Doflamingo showed any sort of affection towards Bellamy it was all manipulation on his part.

Jack Shadow

Fujitora's reasons will be explaned later

Richie the Lion

Bellamy is just one of the foot soldiers.

Alex Recorde

His motivation being petty is on brand

Duffy the Nar Slayer

Not only has he never seen Bellamy as part of his family, he's never liked Bellamy from the beginning. He stated that he even told Bellamy not to follow him when they first met. He sees Bellamy as a weak, useless, wannabe (to be fair he kinda is), and doesn't agree with his ideology towards pirating. Bellamy admires Doflamingo but doesn't seem to understand him. That's why he values the executive members as his family over everyone else. Each of them on some level seem to understand what type of person Doflamingo is, but still choose to follow him. And as another great villain in another anime once said "admiration is furthest from understanding"

SwaggyMan

Anyone else kinda laugh after Carson told a blind person to “look around” lol

Matthew Gilroy

That's what I like to SEE Toei👏🏾. Episode had more budget than the entirety of Zoro vs Kaku. They know where to prioritise budget🔥🔥

Momar

I think there are similarities, but one big difference between Bellamy and Monet is that Bellamy was never in the family like Monet. Doffy actually seemed to feel bad asking Monet to die for him, but she reassured him that she was ready to die for him before he even asked. We also see a glimpse of the difference between Bellamy and Doffy's ideals in Jaya. And in episode 698, we see Doffy continue to reject Bellamy, showing that Bellamy's fanboy loyalty are only worth as much to Doflamingo as someone to be used and manipulated like a pawn. So I think it is showing that it is not enough to simply be loyal or willing to die for him to be considered Doffy's family. Doffy has not shown any evidence that he will betray anyone who is already in his family. So I think it brings up the question, "What does it take to be in the Doflamingo Family?" What did Bellamy fail to do that Monet, Trebol, and the other executives did to win Doflamingo's actual affection?

RedFaulkner

Your position on Fujitora at the end I was raising an eyebrow but when you mentioned that he represents the frustration, I started nodding along. He hates it as much as you do.

David P

You are wrong about your analysis of Doffy and the crew he treats like family. Bellamy is not part of what he considers his “family”. Bellamy’s whole thing was trying to join that inner circle. I believe Doffy states that everyone considered executive and above are part of it.

Winzy

Yeah, I still don't understand how he doesn't get this. LOL. It's been stated in prev eps so idk how that makes Doffy a "hypocrite", Bellamy was NEVER part of his family. Carson also noted that Doffy killed his dad like it's something new when it was stated in a prev ep already that he lost his mom at age 8 and killed his dad by age 10. He tends to overanalyze and ignores simple answers that were already given.... or just forgets em.

Jn Whalien

I believe we supposedly don't understand Fujitora at this point because all what he said and did before and right now was something we should questions because he keeps talking in cryptic. But he actually said some hints (I guess for us to speculate or analyse) and even brought his dices with him.

Abraham Lever

Sooo how exactly is Doflamingo a hypocrite? He’s never even liked Bellamy.