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Ty

To me the reason why it’s weird to call them by their English names is that we don’t do that for others. Why is Nami not called wave? Sora from kingdom hearts not called sky? If their names were Inu Arashi and Neko Mamushi with a space then I would understand translating it directly. But by combining the words you create a unique name that doesn’t need to be translated. We don’t call Shohei Ohtani, Shohei great valley even though that’s what his last name means. It doesn’t actually matter I just find it interesting that they decided to directly translate their names when they don’t really do that for other characters.

Degenerick

I just use their japanese names because of the card game

idziman

I still can't believe that One Piece finally got Katsuyuki Konishi for a voice and it's used on Sheepshead

Mister Kap

Inuarashi and Nekomamushi are more like titles rather than actual names. Like Whitebeard is for Edward Newgate. The names are meant to be taken literally for the words that they are, so they are similarly translated into English like that.

Ty

What are their names then?

edgard

I only use the Japanese name because of the song

klairvoyage

It really ain't that serious, but I just think people have a tendency to use non-localized names in general, not out of pretentiousness (*insert white guy in kimono meme*), but because their primary experience of modern-day OP having been through reading the weekly TCB scans (& the following online discourse, which'd obv also use the scanlations' version for names) edit: my dumbass paused it literally 1s before Carson brought it up😭 but yeah case in point

ImZeaT

There's also the fact that, in a fandom, people tend to want to communicate with others about the manga they love, but a fandom is international, so it would just be logical for the OP community to use the names that are used in the original Japanese, and almost ALL localizations, instead of Dogstorm and Cat Viper which is an exclusively english-localization thing

klairvoyage

oh yes that too, though I still think that 99% of ESL-speaking OP fans, who participate in English-speaking circles, are reading the official VIZ release in English... the ones who do read the official manga release in French, German, etc. (based on my personal experience) generally be staying within those respective language's separate online communities edit: well except for ig the anime sub, in that case it'd likely be the opposite, so yeah you're right the English VIZ translator Stephen Paul simply does a solid job, compared to other languages, or even other translators at VIZ in general, such as JJK's John Werry who can be described as nothing short of a terrorist✌🏾😭

Sanji Joestar

Yep in french it's Chatvipère(CatViper) et Caborage(Cabot for dog and Orage for storm) That's too much juggling so everyone just goes with Inu and Neko lol.

Sanji Joestar

Those are definitely their names not titles. Tho yes they can be seen as such. It's just that each language localizes them differently so fans just default to the japanese.

Sanji Joestar

Sanji has Cesar's heart hostage remember. He threatened him with it in that Kaido episode.

Monkey D.offy Lucci

SAD is what Caesar use to create SMILE. The poison gas used here is not that. Also, Sanji has Caesar’s heart.

Sanji Joestar

I do Tho i only saw those names after they stopped Sometimes I'll check old weekly scans and see them on some websites

Sanji Joestar

The Strawhats gaining influence as time goes is really great At the beginning they're just a team of misfits doing stuff here and there isolated And as we progress those events have ramifications that go beyond the expected scope. The return to Sabaody quickly shows the influence of their name alone as the fake strawhats try to claim that for themselves. And they even got people legitimately duped. Through Punk Hazard/Dressrosa/Zou you can see how their actions not only affect the world around them but even some more inside conflicts. Like Doflamingo retiring from the Warlords causing Riku, Rebecca, Toy Soldier/Kyros and the Tontattas to act. Or how they created the occasion with all the warriors seeking the Flame Flame fruit which led to Luffy now having a fleet of his own.

Darknessflames706

I do like they do this flashback, you get to see how strong the mink tribe is as well as the power of jack. I mean the guy fought the mink tribe for 5 days staight, as much as hes a good villain can't help but respect how strong he is.

Oussama Essamadi

Nekomamoshi introduced himself last episode as "the man who awaits the dawn of the world". Yet another affirmation at the end of the episode "those two can't just die". I'm paraphrasing of course.

Mister Kap

They are definitely more akin to epithets than names. The name “cat viper” quite literally describes his race + personality, same as “dog + storm”, describing his race and presence. This is not a formula followed by any other minks, and is way more comparable to names like Whitebeard or Blackbeard. Obviously there is no clear scene I could point to that where they say “my name is _” or “my title is _”, but just comparing to previous naming conventions by Oda this seems to be the case. In Japan there are other similar naming conventions in fictional media that people would instantly compare it to and understand that it’s not name-like but rather an epithet. Animal + Trait is a very common form of these phrases. Things like “Thunder God”, “White Tiger”, “Iron Ox”, “Crimson Wolf”, “Sword Saint”, etc. These naming conventions of ‘two common nouns’ put together much better follow this known naming convention than actual personal names.

Ty

Why do we not call Nami, wave? Kibas dog in Naruto is akamaru not red circle. Im just curious as to why their names were changed when we do not do this for others. I understand that their names are just two things put together but so many Japanese names are the same yet we do not translate them. When it comes to names all across the world I do not feel it is common the localize them. I had a German friend with the last name Lowe, I never called him John Lion even though that’s what his name would translate to.

John Spartan

Mangapanda gave us gems like Tanjiahdo Lofulamingo and Bisoromi Bear. I could never forget them lol

Lūthér Hölâyèãhmé

You gotta give Jack props for fighting 5 days straight with no sleep. The dukes got sleep time and still couldn't take him down.

fia

in the spanish subtitles they don't translate them, so i was confused at first whenever english speakers referred to them using the translated names. it isn't a big deal, and I'm used to hearing both now because every reactor just chooses whatever they're the most comfortable with, which is okay

Mister Kap

It’s the difference between a personal name and an epithet. ‘Nami’ is a common Japanese name for women. You could feasibly walk down the street in Japan and bump into someone with that name. Native speakers recognize that as a name. The equivalent in English would be something like ‘Rose’ or ‘Summer’. Yes these names refer to an actual thing in our language, but those are their actual names. And we as English speakers recognize those as names. An example in English of a similar kind of epithet would be something like “Lionheart”. You’ve probably seen this name before in fiction, we understand instantly that this is not a normal name in English, it’s meant to be taken descriptively. It invokes a physical image of a lion, and the trait of bravery. This is an example of a name that would be translated in another language. For example in German, such a character with that name would not be Lionheart, it would be Löwenherz. Even if used directly as a name, it would be odd for a German translation of this hypothetical story with this name to keep the English phonetic version of “Lionheart”.

Ty

I understand what you are saying but I disagree that their names are epithets. If Joe Lionheart became the next president of the United States would Germans call him Joe Lowenherz? In frieren they use Germanic names but we do not translate them in English because it’s their names. As weird as it may be to us their names are Inuarashi and Nekomamushi. If these names were an ancient name used for a long time would we still translate it? Let’s say Nami wasn’t ever used as a name and Oda was the first one to call someone that, would we call her Nami or Wave in English?

Mister Kap

The Germanic names in Frieren are even more of a separated instance than what we’re comparing it to. Frieren is a Japanese manga that purposefully used foreign words to make the names feel mythic to a local audience. So these are instantly accepted in the original work as personal names. There is no question if they are epithets, clearly as used by the author in the original work they are meant as personal names. These words do not exist in Japanese, so there is no comparison. Even when translated to German, it might sound a bit odd on first run in with the media, but the audience quickly adapts and understands that the names are symbolic and can fit into a fictional story full of names like this. Like in English seeing the word “Heaven” as a name is bit odd, but if confronted with a fictional piece of media put in medevial times around “Heaven the Knight”, it quickly becomes normal in the context of the story. But again, this wasn’t even a German originated story. As for Nami’s name, even if Oda was the very first instance of the name being used, it still would not be translated. It is clearly still a name, even if never used before. This falls into a similar reasonings about the issue of the Lionheart example I gave. It really depends on context in English, if it was in the world like One Piece, of English origination to make it clearer, Lionheart would certainly be understandable as an epithet. Lionheart the pirate would be the same as Whitebeard, as it’s very contextually apparent that this person was not born with this name. But we have a very rigid naming system for proper name. You have a first and last name, and if Lionheart was to appear clearly as one of those names, it’s now a proper noun and not an epithet. This would be like if instead of Nekomamushi we instead had Tarō Nekomamushi. The surname here is very weird for reasons I will explain in a moment, but this would satisfy the criteria for it becoming a proper noun, as the author has now forced it into being such. Like if I wrote a book about John Jackhammer, jackhammer is not any sort of surname an English speaker would recognize on its own, but now that I as the author forced it into being, it will have to be read and treated as such. In regards to names in Japanese, a name is identified by being a “name-shaped” word. This is identified by a few different ways, such as 1)(generally) a short length, like Nami (ナミ), 2) it being identity first and not descriptive first(ex:when you call someone Nami, you are not mentally picturing them as a wave, and you are not losing any meaning if you used a pronoun like “her” in place of the name, because “wave” is not invoking any descriptive purpose whatsoever), and 3) it being a single lexical unit, which is probably the most important. This means a Japanese speaker would process it distinctly as a single item. Maybe a noun or noun with a suffix are most common here. But two nouns pressed together into a compound word is what does most of the work here in making the name an epithet. If both of the words in a compound name like this are live words used in everyday language, it would indicate to a native speaker that it’s not a proper name.

Jack Shadow

Names shouldn't be translated. Many names has Jewish/Roman root, so why no one translate those names? Because names should never be translated.

SolitaryLark

I largely agree that names should not be translated. There names there meaning is irrelevant.