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지원

yay finally

Sanji Joestar

Robin's eyes are canonically brown. That's how Oda colors them, the anime just took its own flavor. Same goes for Mihawk, his eyes aren't yellow, but red.

Sanji Joestar

Not sure if you recall but on Rusukaina, the island where Luffy trained, there was a tree similar to the Daft Green. Rayleigh told Luffy to put his hat there since animals don't come near that tree. I suppose that variant isn't poisonous but still has a strong smell.

Sanji Joestar

40:36 Random fun fact, This guy influenced the design for my pfp for a while now. I just really like his look lol. 1:38:10 My guy's getting threatened

100Rainy

I'll always remember you random nunchaku monkey... o7

100Rainy

Facing a threat so serious that Franky had to break out the pants and shoes for this one 🤣

Nicolas LeBlanc

Strong World came out at the 10 year anniversary for One Piece and Oda was deeply involved in it's writing from memory. It came out when Ace was still alive during MarineFord War arc.

Name

shikki himself is canon the movie is not but everything in episode 0, Shiki Devil Fruit, he was a member of the rocks pirates

100Rainy

Right, and I think in the manga Law had dark blue hair and yellowish eyes Kuma was meant to have brown hair and a bright orange jacket Some color changes were for the best I think haha

100Rainy

So you see this movie was Luffy's first instance of using a "Thor" move and it made total sense in this context since he actually got struck with lightning to do it (nevermind that he's made of rubber so how did that even work?) But since the timeskip it's somehow become less and less situational as he now seems to just summon lightning onto his giant attacks whenever he feels like it lmao 🤷‍♂️

Sanji Joestar

Funnily enough, Kuma's outfit being orange is a rare instance where the anime black color overrides the manga and becomes the new norm for both.

Sanji Joestar

Shiki's Fruit is an example of a rule Oda tries to stick to for non powerful characters. Flying ability. He mentioned how it would change the structure of the story if those were more common. That's why in Alabasta Pell says his fruit is one the five KNOWN flying abilities. Implying it's rare as a whole and not all them are known. That's why we also get very different ways for characters to take flight without actually flying. Doffy grabbing clouds, CP9/Luffy/Sanji using Sky walk etc Even the Shandians/Skypieans possess wings but can't fly with them. So this movie is a rare exception with Xiao's people evolving to be like birds. It's a story about seafaring first so he'd rather his characters stay more grounded. And he reserves those kinds of ability for the stronger ones.

Sanji Joestar

I get the idea that characters don't do 'their thing' anymore but I just disagree with that. Maybe it's because it's more paced out but they're always doing their more effective moves. Robin's use of her abilities is dependant on the situation and you can say Oda just writes more often situations where she wouldn't need to but she still does. It's a battle manga at the end of the day so those just pop up more than the subtler spy action. Her clone spying on Orochi's castle, or using her ability as they hide behind Shinobu etc The only example of Robin not saying something important I can think of is Sabo and we were shown she was waiting for Sabo to reintroduce himself instead of her doing it when she asked if he had met with Luffy. Same goes for almost all of them really.

Sanji Joestar

That's kind of a misunderstanding of his Thor moves post TS. The name implies the nomenclature comes from Thor with the attack emulating a hammer striking down from the sky. Whether he ACTUALLY summons lightning is not really established at all. It looks more like effects to make the attack fancier as they accompany his attack.

100Rainy

Well unless I've missed some SBS trivia I'm pretty sure Oda just hasn't elaborated on this stuff anywhere. At least in the anime his Thor attacks come with all the visual and audio indicators that make it seem like actual lightning, so I kinda just take that at face value until Oda says otherwise. It's not like Oda is any stranger to stretching the limits of manga logic just so he can have characters randomly generate fire or wind from their attacks even though their powers/skillset realistically have nothing to do with that stuff. Luffy's "Thor" moves would be no different in that regard provided they do in fact produce real lightning.

I LOVE JOJO

I mean, that phrase of Pell's has aged poorly in any case.

Sanji Joestar

It really hasn't. It's a common fandom talking point but let's actually talk about it. We know Devil fruits are listed in a book or that some don't come with pictures, Implying records and informations are gathered. This also implies not all devil fruits are in the list. In Enies Lobby we see a vivid example with both Kaku and Kalifa receiving unclassified devil fruits. They were told to eat it and IDENTIFY their powers meaning they didn't know what they were prior. That's the same thing here and that's why Pell's line is important. He says it's one of the ''5 KNOWN flying devil fruits''. The word KNOWN isn't there for nothing. It establishes two things: 1 - The Knowledge on it isn't absolute 2 - Flying abilities are rare (that's the main takeaway and what Oda is aiming at establishing) We see again and again Oda giving himself wiggle room to change things later on and that word is exactly here for that. And so far it's still true Out of all the Devil fruits we have right now we have barely 10 flying ones. -Pell's Falcon -Marco's Phoenix -Cub The Tontatta and his Beetle fruit -Bian and her Bee Fruit -King's Pteranodon -Kaido's Dragon That's like 6 in the story, without separating abilities people do or don't know about. Maybe i missed one. 7, If we count Morgans's bird fruit and yet even he can't fly with it (Whole Cake Island). Other characters use ways to stay in midair like Doflamingo using his strings but that not actually flying is it? He just found a way to make a good use of his ability. Similar to how Luffy 'flies' using a similar thing to Sky Walk in Gear4. Same with Fujitora, he's not the one flying, he just has a platform he can stand on, unlike Shiki who straight up flies. And I'm not saying ''it's only five if we ignore this one that one and that one.'' what I'm saying is Pell's line is very often misrepresented. He's just a guy with a general knowledge on things in a story where knowledge is never truly factual. And he delivered a line purposefully leaving room for more. So the line didn't age poorly if we actually look at the 900-1000 chapters story so far. And Oda even addressed that in a more recent Sbs.

Sanji Joestar

That's why the anime isn't always reliable. In the manga the attack only produces sparks when the two characters are clashing. In that one panel. So it can be easily justified as it being the sparks between the two hits to give flare to the name and clash. More importantly, there's no Sfx indicating anything adjacent to lightning. No Bzzt sound effects or Zaps. It's just the standard sfx for strong things clashing. Which is why I'm more inclined to believe the move is just figurative. And he hasn't used it again as far as we are with Boldcast. The only other time was in the Grount Filler.

I LOVE JOJO

Fair enough, but I still find it amusing that Pell will live on in the minds of most fans for two reasons: 1. He survived an explosion he shouldn't have survived. 2. That one line—regardless of how justified it was plot-wise. I do love him as a character, but Oda really didn't put him in the best position with the fans.

100Rainy

Well then the manga makes it pretty clear, but my point still stands. Oda does sometimes just make characters pull random elemental-based attacks out of their ass when they really shouldn't. Not even talking about Sanji or Luffy here. Guys like Daruma, Kumadori, Hannyabal, Hold'em, and Katakuri. The commonly used excuse of intense friction only goes so far with some of these guys. Also Luffy used Thor gun at least one other time in the Katakuri fight, anime only tho. Luffy just straight up had lightning over his fist before even throwing the punch for no reason, probably the most egregious example of this topic.

Craving

either way, Oda admitted it was an mistake. In universe it makes sense but at the time Oda actually thought that was the case. In the july sbs he answered this. "So, the official in-universe answer is: 'That was simply the extent of what Pell had heard.' However, this line actually held a different meaning for me personally... To stay true to the theme of the sea and sailing ships, I couldn't let it become a world where everyone is just buzzing around in the air! That was the sentiment behind writing that line. Moving forward, I will maintain the stance that flying is a rare and exceptional thing!" I mean we can say whatever, but in real life, oda didnt plan on there being that many at the time. I am curious what the other 4 fruits were that pell knew of. In any other series, what these people can do, skywalk or whatever, would be deemed flying.

Sanji Joestar

The full SBS (translated by the Library of Ohara for people curious) "R: Oda-sensei!! A question! Didn't Pell say "only five flying devil fruits are known to exist"? But we've seen way more than that, I don't get it... please explain!! O: Damn, that's a deep cut lol. So a lot of fans have certainly had a lot to say about this for a long while, but from my perspective, think about it, how could anyone know for certain everything about everyone around the world? Take for example, there were several Tontatta who could fly! But who'd know about them? So yeah lol. The answer would just be "it's something Pell heard about". But with that said, this line holds a different special meaning for me; while I could come up with any number of flying abilities, I left this line to remind myself to not overdo it! You might also wonder, both culturally and scientifically, why they haven't developed airplanes despite having the technology for it, but it's because the world is built in a way that things are just barely stopped from evolving towards that direction! Lol, but why? Because it's a manga about pirates! Sea! Boats! So we can't have a world where everyone just zwoooooooms around like that! That was my thought process when writing that line. So even going forward with the story flying should be a rare thing. I'll commit to that stance!" He's restating what I'm explaining. He's not saying it's a mistake just a matter of perspective both from in and outside the story, What this says about the characters within the world and what his vision was with that line at the time and going forward. Sure, that's why the knowledge of what an ability CAN do is also important. Sky Walk isn't a df. Hanging to strings is a way of 'flying' but did the previous user figure that out? Did Doffy come up with it. It's that grey area.

I LOVE JOJO

That’s a fair point, but it still doesn't change the fact that so many flying characters have appeared over time. Even if you don't want to count Doffy—or anyone else who doesn't technically fly—Oda still gives many characters the ability to move through the air, even when their powers wouldn't seem to imply that at first glance.

Sanji Joestar

I'm not really saying Doffy doesn't qualify as someone who flies. He does from our perspective. My point is do the characters in story know about the applications of these powers in ways that aren't evident. And as for Oda yes he does give it to them but they always come with limitations for the most part. Without clouds, Doffy's path is cut. Without a support Fujitora would fall. Without his gear Luffy can't just do it etc. So even when he gives it to ability users that manage to figure out flight, there's a caveat to maintain control.

I LOVE JOJO

I certainly understand that; I think I just should have phrased my initial comment better. As for Pell, what I meant was that, in the eyes of most fans, his claim hasn't stood the test of time, and most people will remember him simply as "the guy with the 'five flying Devil Fruits' line."

Sanji Joestar

Yeap, I get your point, that's also why I'm kind of passionate about this because everytime I see this topic brought up, it just looks simple to me, that his line implies room for more. But it's never treated as such, which leads to a conversation that never ends about something he didn't actually say. If he said Only 5. Point blank. I'd get it. There's other instances in the story where some elements aren't well remembered and it becomes a consensus. Like you said, that's now just how he's remembered.

Sanji Joestar

Btw Dr Indigo doesn't have a Devil fruit, he just uses Chemicals.😂

I LOVE JOJO

Yeah, though honestly, I think it’s also a result of how upset many people were that Oda essentially cheapened his self-sacrifice by letting him survive. I’m sure most people wouldn’t give him so much crap for that line if he hadn’t survived that explosion.

Porco

Yeah most of these movies range from painfully generic to kinda bad at least when it comes to the story, the animation is often good.

Oussama Essamadi

"We're the main force" aaaaah man, this is the perfect post to leave off the weekend with, thank you so much guys. This movie fed my Franky biker fantasy I had for as long as I've known him as a character. These movies, in retrospect, feel like looking at Oda's scratchpad, with all the ideas, powers, character tropes that he conveniently explores later. It's fun tbh. It's lest like a copy-paste and more of an evolution of sort, like the theme of the movie itself. And lastly, that cut-off tone dial scene at the end really gave some credibility to the LuffyxNami ship. For a short duration of the movie's run ,that is, lol. The comedy was gold man. Got that pre timeskip charm to it.

Jeremy

Carson my guy but the tucked in black tee gotta go lol

Ty

It is so nice to see two individuals with slightly different viewpoints having a discussion. Just two 🐐s having a chat!

Jeremy

Nah that rock fit is weak ngl lol

Sammy

10th year anni for the anime just to specify. Until next year's movie, the big anni ones were all milestones for the anime. Which makes next year so much more exciting. Oh and it was the tenth One Piece movie Toei had released. They were yearly until Strong World and then they finally slowed down. Crazy stuff.

Arkham

Golden Lion Shiki, yet another victim of standing in front of a giant rubber limb

Sammy

Some fun facts. This starts the "One Piece Film" line of movies. This moniker seems to be Toei's way of indicating Oda's involvement in the movie. Since Strong World two movies have not had the "Film" moniker, and four have. Strong World is special not just for being the first "Film" movie, but it is also the only to date that Oda wrote himself. The rest of the "Films" he is a story supervisor for and provides the basic idea. The two announced but unreleased movies we know are "Films."

Veritas

To clarify, Strong World is the only film written by Oda himself, for the 10th anniversary. It is a classic One Piece plot formula. All the other films only have supervision. Misconceptions I see rarely are that Strong World is canon (it is not, but Ep Zero is), or that Oda personally wrote the later films as well (he did not). At most he insisted changing the final act of Film Gold, and he also refused to green-light Stampede unless it celebrated the 20th anniversary. On average he designs the characters and gives feedback. Another cool tidbit is that Strong World's plot went through a complete revision according to Oda. It now focuses on Nami a bit but Oda originally made it about Nami's super secret backstory; but it was apparently so tragic it wasn't considered appropriate for a non-canon movie. My headcanon mixes this with a Romance Dawn timeline to assume Nami's biologically the child of pirates that abandoned her. Just a theory that will never get addressed, maybe.

Sander D.Castle

Uou guys watched this after Whole Cake Island right? Did you miss the part where Sanji has germa augmentations and that's where the fire comes from?

Combatnoodlez

does that electric bird have the same voice actor as the annoying chef that sanji beat on the train?? saa saa saaaa😭😭

Matthew Gilroy

55:54 "You don't even deserve to be killed".💀

Matthew Gilroy

No. Only Strong World. And the other movies genuinely disrespect Strong World in all other categories too. Film Z is peak One Piece. Film Gold is peak romp. Stampede is peak fanservice. And Film Red is peak subtle but greatly thought-provoking character writing and insights outside of the source material

Matthew Gilroy

Strong World. A decent romp at best. Felt like a TV anime special. Time for the REAL movies now😎

Matthew Gilroy

I cannot praise the weekly Wano anime where Boldcast is at enough. Forget episode 957. The Onimaru and Kawamatsu episode felt more cinematic and high art than this entire movie. Mind you, that episode is literally a forgotten episode. No one talks about it. The weekly anime is still a mere fraction of what it eventually becomes

Monkey D. Oden

Oda drew nine pins titled ‘After Three Seconds’ of Straw Hats’ reactions to the last bit of the Tone Dial at the end of the movie

Sanji Joestar

I do agree characters producing elemental abilities for no reason is basically a staple at this point. Especially fire. Doffy does it, Kumadori, Pearl etc But it's still important to sort out what's actually written in as inexplicable and what isn't. Minks for example can create electricity We can assume Oda's using the fact they're all Fur based mammals to exaggerate the idea of Static Electricity. If it's in Oda's story that characters randomly produce fire we look at that too. Whether there's an explanation for it or if it's ''just because.'' We shouldn't just randomly blend it altogether because of filler action scenes that just exist to fill time.

LaDarius

Even though One Piece movies aren't Canon, I like to think that the places are. So I lowkey secretly head-canon the Straw Hats at least visiting these places

LaDarius

I also when it comes to "why doesn't Robin break their necks?". I always just assume that she can't because maybe she's just not physically strong enough to. I figure the later villains in the story could probably either break the hold or have stronger necks

ignorantWeed

I can not express enough how much I love Ceasars VA, shiro

Thorfinn45

Will you be watching one piece film Z next

Blackest Hippy

that's not where sanji's fire comes from

lyd

下一个会看Film Z吗 喜欢!!

귤🍊

THE lunami movie, I appreciate it SO much