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지원

let's go~

Sanji Joestar

Smiley's fruit reappeared nearby because Cesar put apples next to where he died. But what if there were no apple/the required fruit on the island ? Where would it go?

millecamps

about devil fruit reincarnation. it will appear in the correct nearby fruits, meaning that the ox ox fruit model girafe of kaku can only be reincarnated on a banana, if there is no banana on the island it will appear on another island. that'w why the devil fruit encyclopedi is a thing, because the devil fruit always is the same fruit and same shape

Skele

The mystery of Oden's humiliation ritual

Sammy

Important to note this is pure speculation. There is absolutely no confirmation on how Devil Fruits respawn. It's highly likely that Smiley is a unique result of Caesar's mad genius, as otherwise it would be common knowledge how Devil Fruits respawn and it's not. You also would assume that the Marines would have had fruit at the ready at Marineford and that was not the case, as it took Doflamingo nearly the entirety of the time skip to track down Ace's fruit.

hussam abdelalim

It is funny to me that whenever they show the people we know in Roger's execution, they never show Crocodile's face

Sanji Joestar

@Sammy You're speculating too here. We don't know when or how Doflamingo got said fruit. What we DO know is Cesar understands the respawning mechanics (And that was later explained later in Dressrosa indicating it's not a complete mystery). 1 He intended to use Smiley as a test run. 2 He intended to sell the weapon aka repurpose it. 3 He set up apples to recover Smiley's fruit, multiple ones, which could imply a possibility of failure if the specifc fruit isn't adequate. So more fruits give a higher chance of recovery. 4 He 'told' Smiley they'll meet again soon, and we know Smiley is a gas given the powers of a fruit. Implying he will recreate it once he recovers the fruit. All this indicates that the ways a fruit respawns is actually understood/known. If not by a good portion of people in the know, atleast by people who work on that subject and make deals within it. Now when it comes to Marineford, we can't make the assumption they didn't do anything to recover the fruit. We don't know if they did or didn't. And more importantly we don't know what they would do with said fruit. Maybe they kept it for a future high ranking marine or the next admiral. We know they also deal with the underworld/black market and a Devil fruit always sells high price. Maybe someone else set the fruit up and Doffy got a hold of it at some point. When? Again, We don't know. So it's inaccurate to say it took him 2 whole years. We can't really use any of that as information or confirmation.

Desdinova

Weird how we never seen Luffy's mother's face either 🤔 Just asking questions.

Ruben Pomp

The old people are def not cyper phol, why would the government want kaido ruling wano, would only bring more problems

millecamps

there is a doflamingo goon that explain how devil fruit reincarnation work. fruit contain power ->someone eat it -> person has power -> person dies -> power goes back in a fruit -> fruit contain power the fact that ceasar only put apple in the bag of fruit mean that the axolotle fruit can only be reaincarnated from an apple the fact there is an encylopedia that tell you which devil fruit has which power and that blackbeard recognized the dark dark fruit mean the appearance and the shape of the devil fruit is the same and firther proove that it's always the same fruit the reason the marine didn't have the fire fire fruit could be that they didn't know which fruit they need for the fire fire fruit to reincarnate into, they may have had a lot of fruits on the ready but not the right kind, we know that not all devil fruits are known since they didn't know what kaku's fruit and kalifa's fruit would give them and maybe doflamingo just stole it from the marine at some point

millecamps

coincidence?... i think not!!!!

BOLDcast

Better than letting them be governed by people who have knowledge that is a threat to their national security and interests, no? Thanks for spoiling btw

DaniP

Considering old woman turned into a young shiki episodes ago, the going theory is they ex rox pirates

Zoodinger

Random note, kurozumi means black coal/black charcoal.

Zoodinger

Yeah you guys had a great theory and arguments nonetheless, sorry they spoiled you.

millecamps

i mean they could be cypher pol, notice how they say "people from this country call them magic user" and not we call them magic user, meaning that maybe they are not from wano, maybe cypher pol wanted to have a puppet ruler such as him, manipulate him into building weapons for sell to the governement and get rid of more people who knows too much. and even their introduction only siad "an old woman" and " a zither playing priest" why so vague, why would two random people both have devil fruit power, a mythical devil fruit to give him, a plan to take over the country over multiple years of lie and manipulation. there is something shady about them and them being cypher pol agent is a high possibility. the old woman could have just made herself be the shogun with her devil fruit but she did not

Jonathon Lucas

Ruben, the government has encouraged the three-power structure since the beginning of the series. The four emperors aren't against the World Government's interests, per se. The World Government does what a lot of superpowers do in history: rather than waste resources starting wars to win territory against difficult enemies, they cut deals with them and do propaganda to encourage support and demonise these enemies while not doing anything to really prevent them, because then they lose leverage to incentivise people continuing to support their power structure. So until Kaido actually does something to affect the WG's bottom line, the Beast Pirates act as good propaganda tools: "See, join the World Government with our protection or face living under an evil pirate emperor"; they don't care about Kaido directly unless he starts his war. In fact, the WG as a structure doesn't care about anyone at all unless it's convenient for their power structure to do so.

Fabulous

If Oden just died fighting Kaido I would have loved his character more than whatever the f he is doing now. Oda butchered his character

aaron zambonini

Just as a reminder, when we met rayleigh he also said a similar to thing to oden, the day roger died he never laughed or cried as much as he did then.

Nicolas LeBlanc

Carson just trying to get Lindsay cancelled. He's pulling off his own Cipher Pol operation.

Stinky Pete

I love seeing the previous users of devils fruits. It just shows that all devils fruits have a history, and the current users aren't the first to use them. I love that kind of world building.

Oussama Essamadi

Ah, Daigo Ganmo Episode so pact it had Oden cycle through all emotional spectrums.

Capitano

Fun fact: the old hag has black teeth because way back in the day, in like 10th-11th century Japan, black teeth were seen as beautiful. So rich people, mostly women I believe, would dye them black using various methods. The practice persisted up until the late Edo period in the 19th century, but was most prominent in 11th century-ish Japan. All that is to say that the old hag was probably a 10/10 back in her prime. At least to Wano guys and medieval Japanese people.

Matthew Gilroy

Not making the ideal decision every time does not butcher a character. Humans are not perfect. Contradiction is proof of our humanity

Capitano

About DF respawn mechanics: we simply don't know enough yet. We know they respawn, and we know the method is to simply turn an existing fruit into the DF. However we don't know anything beyond that. Does it matter what kind of fruit it is? Does it always go to the nearest fruit? Is the result always the same or is the an element of chance/probability? Does it have a range? We simply don't have that information at this point.

PeachBrune

The first half of the episode makes me so mad lol

Murkou

Cant you ban people from commenting on patreon or smth?

Ruben Pomp

For what bruh 😂😂 just giving my opninion, u people are so sensitive

Krykee

When I first saw this episode, I had the same reaction as yall. I had to go back and check to make sure I didn’t skip anything lmao

C

let them come to their own conclusions.

Veritas

Exactly. Similar intending practices in various other places around the world include shaving off eyebrows, binding feet, using white face paint, etc. Historical culture is fascinating.

Skele

I see a lot of people saying their head canon on how devil fruits reincarnate. A lot of good speculation but in my opinion, the reason why Bart and Bons fruits reincarnate outside of Wano is not just about where the fruits reincarnated but also how many people have eaten the fruit in between. I feel like these fruits could easily travel long distances if someone eats the fruit then travels then dies somewhere else. Probably one of kaidos goons ate them then died at sea, the fruits traveled to the nearest fruit which could be far away, someone else ate it, rinse and repeat until 20 years pass and bon and Bart come across them

Daniel Assis

People talk about Oden not asking Roger or Whitebeard for help, but the real plot problem here for me is Oda trying to make us believe that Oden didn't had the power to cut through that barrier, bro forgot he had haki.

klairvoyage

Considering both most recent users also were in some sort of criminal syndicate, there's also the option of the fruits reincarnating in Wano & Kaido then selling them along with the weapons to Doffy (from whom he only wanted *Zoan* Fruits in exchange) who as THE underworld broker could have sold them to anyone, anywhere

Daemedeor

We haven’t seen anything break through that barrier yet.

Matthew Gilroy

Very interesting what Oda did here. Oden is perhaps a cautionary tale of when someone prioritises their dream over reality. Persuing his dream hurt those around him and his loved ones. Interesting stuff. While it is ok to dream, ignoring reality and running away from it is not good

BOLDcast

You confirmed that our theories aren’t true. That’s literally spoiling us, that’s the problem

Solas

Yeah this was a weird episode and Im pretty sure it was like this in the manga too

Desdinova

I think it's more of a case of just following simple things the show has already explored. 1. Trust your friends with your responsibilities, they care about you so you don't need to take on burdens by yourself 2. After your done an arc, go to the rich Monarchs place and have a freaking Banquet. Whitebeard or Roger's crew could have easily saved Wano and following his dream would have payed off (like in the real world) because of support from the friends you make on the way.

SwaggyMan

Please refrain from either confirming and/or disputing their theories one way or the other. That’s largely what makes their reactions enjoyable.