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Pill Pod 202 - Paradise Lost (ft. Lit Vic) (Patreon)

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Victor Hainagiu, aka Lit Vic, returns to discuss Paradise Lost in style and in politics, as well as its contemporary political relevance as satans continue to appear.

Here's an online version of the text: https://milton.host.dartmouth.edu/reading_room/pl/book_1/text.shtml

Check out William Blake's illustrations of the text: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Blake%27s_illustrations_of_Paradise_Lost

Comments

Bobby Bancroft

'Better to reign in hell than serve in heaven' Maybe?! 🤔 But definitely, better to serve in heaven than serve in hell.

Bobby Bancroft

Re Victor's issue with the sadistic narcissm of God requiring a sacrifice to permit human redemption. There is, via the trinity, a sort of 'get out' written in to the mytho-logic of heaven. In these terms, God is sacrificing himself.

Bobby Bancroft

The torturous confusion of 'The Illiad' battles 😆😆😆

Alyssa Pashya

Yesssss lit vic! Great discussion. Cool to compare it to my own recent saga of doing a close read of dante who really ponders the same questions even more overtly (why is society so messed up? Why do revolutions fail? Why is there free will? Why do we sin? What is lucifer's/god's role? ) while dante puts lucifer in a vegetative state (abuse of reason to betray his benefactor being the worst sin a la aristotle), he falls into that same trap of making the transgressive search for knowledge super alluring (shout out ulysses) and god not as viscerally appealing. Very interesting pts too abt the delayed muse invocation and blank verse. Getting back deeper into epic poems in these wild times has been a source of solace for me bc it makes me feel like ppl have always felt the world was ending and grappled with war and death and power and philosophy and making art and pondering ethics etc.

Mrityunjay Awasthy

This was great. Thanks for stepping away from Cogito and going (back?) to literature 🙏. Sending vibes to Pills.

Marcus Elia

Re: modern adaptations of Paradise Lost— Philip Pullman’s ‘His Dark Materials’ trilogy (1995, ‘97, and 2000) is an adaptation of sorts… banned from many US jurisdictions for being somewhat heretical, it’s a thoroughly literary way to introduce the 12-14-yr-olds in your life to dialectics. PS: I’m talking above about the books; the movie is meh and the HBO series starts out faithful to the book and slides gradually into sensationalism. Tbh I got bored and didn’t finish the third season, even though I’ve read, studied, and taught the trilogy for ten years.

Mrityunjay Awasthy
>>168309027

I believe good text resists to bend and mould into other forms, mediums and debatebly style too. It might just be in aesthetic but what resistance isn't (aesthetic/ spectacle)?

Khemith

I'm proud of you guys for carrying on the podcast without the enigmatic terse Pills. His usual calculated silence happily haunts these episodes.

James Aydelotte

As Milton is to Dante- can we get a Nigiristani is to Bataille?

Matt S

Awesome. Maybe, as it pertains to literature and freedom.... The Grand Inquisitor is next?

Alex B

The death of seductive, mutating, mythical reality came with the last cycle of enchanted heroes, eternally crystallising them with their snakes & demons. Embedding them deeper into mythology can't thaw them.