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Pill Pod 97 - Lead Us not into Malaise (Exclusive) (Patreon)

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We read the second half of Charles Taylor's Malaise of Modernity, talk self-help, and debate Christian universality. Lecture version of the source is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuGQ5KJjELA

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C.

is Pill Pod 93 gonna be up?

Steve B

Take it from Flav: "Wash your butt" 'Can't do nuttin' for Ya Man'

Guillermo Garrido-Lestache Vidal

there should be a special guest in the pill pod 100, and there's nobody more 'special' for this podcast than the man himself, aka lobster daddy, aka canada's greatest intellectual, aka the crying 'jungian', aka Jordan Peterson. Please tell me this is happening (ironic mode on(?))

ageOfBumFires

+1 for kierkegaard The Assu Sutta seems pretty relevant here: "Long have you thus experienced stress, experienced pain, experienced loss, swelling the cemeteries -- enough to become disenchanted with all fabricated things, enough to become dispassionate, ***enough to be released***." 1:09:00 "I did this thing, and it worked for me." This is the way, and I think related to my comment on first half video about Being Care (but not in the shallow Care Bear sense). Victor also brushes up on this theme with the discussion on familial relationships. It's not professing decrees, it's just someone seeing what works, and informing others, not decreeing it, not imbuing with morality, just explaining it as best as possible, and then primarily communicating it clearly through your performative action and the others observation of it. If your well being and happiness is observed as authentic, they will almost certainly test the waters and dip their toes on their own accord. Their free will in this decision is preserved from their perspective. No loss of honor or independence must be admitted, and eventually such an ego limitation can be seen for the silliness that it is. 7:00 to 9:00ish... You really put all that as concisely as possible. Nailed it. Per everyone being a relativist and then monotheism creeping in. Isn't capital misidentified as a limited economic arena, or am I just searching for some other word of which capital *as THE prevailing flow* is one form? Wouldn't it wear infinite masks as it ebbed and flowed? Doesn't it still? Isn't monotheism the previous mask of the capitalism we live in? Take it out of it's economic box, it's political box. Drop the prefix of the -ism which is bound to offer contradiction and just look at the accumulation of flow. So again, and this is tangent thought back to the first shipping companies video, dating the rise of capitalism not the same as dating capital, in the sense capital is not limited to the arena of economics or politics but rather is some prevailing accumulation of flow of the universe? Not evil in itself, capable of many means and untold ends, the blind idiot god as referenced before. But then if you're simply looking from a flow, an energy perspective, well, then you may unfortunately see the insignificance of life on earth, compared to the energy of trillions of stars,the explosion of one white dwarf. 1:05:00 "who cares what anyone does" in context of students playing farm game during ten minutes break of the valuation and moralization of what someone does during leisure time. Agree. Before there was leisure time there was work, before there was work, just life, just being. Some people in doing absolutely nothing are more beneficial to the "well being" of the world than another person's best intentions.

Shane

Was the first half ep 96 cuz I’m not seeing it in the feed.

Erik Haines

Why the fuck you still using toilet paper? Just use a washcloth bro - it's just water now =) lol

anacidcommie
>>93642360

"prevailing accumulation of flow of the universe" This sounds like a fetishisation, a mystification and hyperuniversalisation of capital beyond it's material existence. Capital and its logic of infinite growth and deterritorialisation isn't something that exists outside this planet (yet). Even the universe itself is only going to expand so far, and then it will be followed by a crunch. Capital only knows infinite expansion and accumulation with a total disregard to the physical laws of nature, which is why it's unsustainable.

Manny Furious

While not academics proper, writers like Gabor Mate and Johann Hari have written extensively about how childhood safety and strong social bonds impact "mental wellbeing" more than any other issue. Their criticisms of society stem from society's failure to provide opportunities to cultivate meaningful relationships. Might be worth a read and they probably cite some research that I overlooked on such topics. Anecdotally, I'm a mental health and substance use counselor and have been for more than a decade. My personal observations support such ideas. A specific example would be the role religion plays in addiction recovery. I'm not religious but I have to admit that religion does consistently play an integral role in sobriety. But I've always felt it was more about providing someone a sense of community and relationships with people who care about them than about God or the religion itself. Maybe ideas don't matter, beyond what kind of community or relationships can be fostered around them. Really glad I discovered the youtube channel and podcast. It's been a...godsend? 😉 Thanks for what you all do.

anacidcommie

It's so weird to talk about the malaise of modernity and somehow manage to completely avoid mentioning alienation to me. Marx really is haunting all these lib theorists fr. Victor definitely had a point about the psychoanalytic element, but that meaning aspect also operates unconsciously, and even if you don't consciously ponder questions about the nature of God or whatever, it's still going to colour your ideological worldview in some capacity. IMO, that element of meaning is absolutely critical when it comes to dealing with personal suffering, because it's one thing to suffer and believe there's a paradisaical afterlife waiting for you when it's done, and another to believe that all you have is this one life and you're going to spend most of it suffering, while others get to be billionaires. And this crisis of meaning is one of the attraction so many have towards far right ideologies who promise to restore this structure of meaning people had in that idealised past. Pills, I would love a good Kierkegaard episode, cause between your mentions of him here and that vid you made on Fake News and the Public, it sounds like there's a lot more to him than the surface level Christian aspect of his beliefs that constitute the entirety of what me and my class was thought about him in my philosophical psychology study unit.

Zachary Manenti

said ironically… thank God that episode is over. Taylor worth a brief summary at best… he must know it too on some level so has to keep writing books…Next a non or anti christian, agreed, and also someone who does not fetishize rationality.

horch dog
>>93635749

This would be absolute fucking hilarity. I'd pay big money to hear JBP's nonsense with live pill pod reactions

horch dog

my background is in genetics and I think Victor should reeeeallly read a book "Darwin's Cathedral" (David Sloan Wilson) regarding his theory that "people don't actually know why religion is good for them." First of all let me say I was reading Society of the Spectacle and according to Debord "The Spectacle" is subject to natural selection: "what appears is good and what is good appears." DSW (nominally a lib) is an evolutionary biologist/anthropologist and his book suggests that religion persists because it provides material benefits to its members. Otherwise, it's just a great primer on evolutionary theory. The most convincing point I thought in the book is that you have pagans in Rome succumbing to epidemics at 2-3 times the rate as Christians. That's made out to be the result of basic nursing care for the sick by the early Christians. If that's true then a Christian population that has the same number of children as the pagan population will outgrow the pagans in ancient Rome. Either way @Victor I'd love you to read the book and see if it helps you refine your ideas about religiosity in older times.

Alex B

As poles of deperation and concentrated wealth expand, the distance we can fall and the impossibility of climbing out become a sucking wound intensifying the uncertainty of every doubt. Childhood safety & faith allow us to tune out the roar of the void until it is just a background hum but it still warps our sense

Walker Goff

Yeah, Taylor's not for me.

Walker Goff

Damn y'all should read some Satanism. I remember when I was 18 and I thought I was so edgy for buying the Satanic Bible.