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Pill Pod 120 - A Patron Response Episode (Exclusive) (Patreon)

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We took a little reading break to respond to some of your feedback and run off the cuff for 90 minutes. 

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tom

great discussion so glad someone else knows baudrillard was dropping thirst traps in the 60s

Lutke

Thanks for addressing my interest in more broad (macro) issues! Just trying to keep up with you well read lads. Maybe I should say I have a basic understanding of philosophy, but I am studying more seriously now. Could anyone suggest some more serious anthologies or youtube or podcasts you like for more background? Also, here for whatever is interesting to you 🤠🫡🌀

Guttorm Glomsås

What do you think about "the mode of production of the technical" by Simondon? If you google it there is a 21 page pdf.

Isaac Suárez

Oh Edmund Burke, one of a few well known thinkers who reads better out of his historical context than within it. I think his articulation of conservatism works best as an attitude, and worst as a system or governing method. He prides some solid critiques of idealism and ahistorical Utopianism, but his complete rejection of the Enlightenment ideas of individual rights, political equality, and empirical reason as a measure of political projects, SUCK. He was somewhat famous in his day for the extremity of his hatred of the French Revolution (he also wasn’t a huge fan of the American Revolution, though he did sympathize with the colonists on the issues that led to the American revolution.) He was extremely conspiratorial, almost to the point of ridicule by his peers, and his cultural relativism make him far more reactionary than he’s given credit for post facto. The best and worst that can be said of Burke was that he fully earns the title of the father of modern conservatism- both its common sense aspects and its tendency toward conspiracism, paranoia, and cultural essentialism/relativism. It makes him worth studying (but not worth admiration or emulation in the last instance.) Zeev Sternhall and Adam Zamoyski offer particularly good accounts of Burke in his proper context.

haw

might be a little late for feedback but id love if u did christian tech skeptics like jaques ellul and ivan illich. also more deleuze is always fun especially pre guattari

anacidcommie

"The French Revolution reminds me of cancel culture, because if they even suspected you of being counterrevolutionary it was off with your head" B R U H "These people are too idealistic" = these people actually want a socioeconomic system which isn't making them depressed and destroying the natural environment around them. Somebody make him stop! "Do I even belong on this podcast?" lmao PIlls, it's fine that you mention how incredibly prophetic Baudrillard was, how he saw things which honestly would not have been nearly as obvious to most of us back in the 80s. What a silly thing to nitpick over. And him dropping thirst traps just makes him somehow even more based. Marx would have capitalised perfectly on crypto and NFTs right before they crashed and became rich af, which hopefully he'd use to fund revolutions through the dark web. WE DESERVE A MARXIST AoE FR THO I wish I could agree with Eric over theory mattering, but I think that opinion is a consequence of having spent so many years in the academy, cause nobody outside of this actually even knows who, say, Baudrillard is. The vast majority of people didn't get the S&S easter egg at the beginning of the film, and didn't care about how the Matrix is actually closer to Plato than Baudrillard: no, most people where like BULLET TIME COOL/WE LIVE IN A SOCIETY and that's it lol People care about Peterson because he says what 20 year old men want to hear with an authoritative aura conferred to him by his academic experience, not because he's engaging meaningfully with any Jungian theory or philosophy.

ageOfBumFires

Ouuu. Thanks Eric for the Half Earth Socialism reference! I had asked a while back about examples of socialist/anarchist games meant to be incubators/trainers/theory builders so this sounds very cool and worth some exploring. The only other one I had played a while back was Republic: The Revolution. To step back from whole book requests, smaller snippet type stuff, I think a future series on general topics would be very cool, pulling together different philosophers takes on a common idea or thing, to see how varied or common those takes are. Would give each person the ability to bring forth their own favorite philosophers approach to the topic. The one at the top of my list would be *play,* specifically it the context of praxis, revolution, society, etc (Revolution of Everyday Life is broken up into very short and sweet chapters that are only like 5-10 pages for example, one of which being play). You could easily see this applied to other things like time, technology, etc. Could also address the one request at the beginning of the pod of "where to start," by giving a sense of the diversity, evolution, etc. of fundamental interpretations of lived. That way those people starting out might be able to get a sense of which thinking is most interesting to them and they could just kinda dive into some of their works? Glad yinz had a laid back time with this one and took the time to take some questions.

Philippe Frei

Here are two recommended readings of Sloterdijk which would also fit nicely within a post-marxism series as he has a different take on critique and history: - https://www.jstor.org/stable/488361 - Chapter 5 of "What Happened in the Twentieth Century?" (available on the tor version Z-Library)

Anthony

Burke: The French revolution was bad because it put power into ”the swinish multitude”, i.e the proletariat. Viktor: Oh my god , kind of based. Liberalism has many things associated with it that are worth defending. Viktor, on the other hand, embodies its most perverse fence-sitting – bullshit –tedencies.

Jonathan White

I love the episodes with no definite agenda! Not all the time but every once in a while, as a way to reflect in general on the past 5+ episodes. Also really interesting to hear some of the inside scoop on numbers of downloads etc. As a Patreon I want above all for the pod to stay alive so it’s nice to get a sense of all that Late feedback from me, mostly re: guests. I love the lit Vic episodes. Also maybe have Chris Satoor back again? I’d love more Schelling content. And I do still miss Matt! The Diego episodes are still good but they get too jargony for me.

Alex B

For me Baudrillard's hyperreal & Fatal Strategies masses, and Stiegler's external being and Luhman's social systems are a fascinating toolbox to investigat the habit body of the masses as an entity. I wonder if the desperation required for radical restructuring in Vic's paper could come as a kind of "malnourishment" through any of these other forgotten strata (ie. not exclusively the habit body of individuals)? It seems to me that the concept of the human closes politics into a feedback loop (as does nation) that neglects to address external agencies such as nature and capital, something that seems extremely important in achieving any kind of "good life".

TheUltimateBird

Pills, Thank you for addressing my question! This space is less alienating than the general internet space. As for the answer, I mostly agree with what Victor said. I guess, there are some remnants of the past. But habitualising still has sort of an equilibrium feel to me. Thanatos as a concept still is outside this habit body. Or is it still in the realm of habit-bodies?

Zachary Manenti

Interesting that the 21st C Baudrillard and Marx & Debord stay male.

Fiachra O Raghallaigh

I had to read Burke in college and thought he was the OG Centrist Dad. Never got why he is so beloved by hardline conservatives…

Joey McAuley

Damn, sorry I dont know which giant books are ok to rec and which arent