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Pill Pod 122 - Mosh School Mixdown (Exclusive) (Patreon)

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2023-05-12 14:00:00
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First, the sociology of Mosh. Then we read Ranciere reflecting on May '68, his break with Althusser's party Marxism, and what the hell is the university for anymore? https://www.versobooks.com/en-ca/blogs/news/5465-the-critique-of-the-school-in-post-68-french-thought-interview-with-jacques-ranciere

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ageOfBumFires

Fwiw, I really enjoy these little impromptu wanderings into self reflection of pretty much anything, but I suppose especially such quasi obscure social rituals. Interesting to learn the code of the mosh haha. Ty. A short poem, then a question. 👯‍♀️🤼👯‍♀️ To rave in mosh. To pleasure in pain. Mosh growing on a rolling stone. Heavy are the hands that brush the crown. Light is the illumination of the speed of sound. Is this learned, inherited, innate? A circle, searching for centering. This is the rolling stone, and on this motion the mosh feeds, flourishing like frothy foam. So how to achieve perfect harmony with the mosh? To enter the mosh without a priori knowledge of these rules and to reflect whatever it is that you discover (or rediscover thru beginners mind) through bodily communication alone (thereby potentially allowing greater flexibility and drift in what a mosh can be?) or to enter the mosh as moreso a seasoned practitioner of a commonly held ritual (religion, practice, way of life, art). If the latter, how does one avoid the enactment of caricature, and does this result in the splitting of different "mosh schools" as you would have different schools of philosophy and religion, as you would have categories of core or post this or that. If the former, the same question. By being self reflective during the mosh and by losing oneself in the flow of the mosh thru conscious of it, or by being totally unaware of the mosh as mosh as such, to the point that there is nothing to rationalize at all.

Echoes from Elsewhere

Unfortunate that you found Ranciere's accent too difficult on the Crisis and Critique interview. It's so much more detailed than the Versos interview. Part two gets away from the marxist in-ighting/debate and into the notion of being a communist without communism and Ranciere's thought on the regimes of art. The latter would be interesting to hear Pills' thought on considering his artistic skills and activities

Jaco

the first rule of underground mosh pit is don't talk about underground mosh pit

Andrew Argraves

Really like this episode. Listening to discussions centered around a theorist or theory is always interesting. But I think there is plenty of unclaimed territory in regards to applying theory to some of our weird contemporary social structres, especially when you guys can speak to them personally. Could a similar episode be done about protests?

Buero_Belik

As an ageing "moshpit enthusiast", I enjoyed this episode a little more than I usually enjoy your content. Well done and thank you all!

Ichabod

Hearing eric categorize green day as post-punk hurt me :(

DilloBear

Yay! Ignorant Schoolmaster next? And there are some cool texts on anarchism/education. Also, having some Rancière and Balibar episodes would be cool, they're both interesting as hell. Agamben would be fun too.

Alex B

Its raw form is anaesthetic, but if effectively curated, universally accessible information could be an international class consciousness

Nance

I had to listen to Body Count's Bitch In The Pit several times after this to bring myself down from whatever kind of fucked up "high" this episode brought me.

Well Written Agenda

I enjoyed the discussion of moshing! I absolutely love them and I'm happy to say I've participated in a lot of pits that are primarily queer/AFAB/non binary folks at punk shows and it's so much fun to get that sense of solidarity and joy through consensual violence without worrying about big cis dudes going super hard. It's the best! I've also explored those same dynamics playing roughhousing games with friends. Some of the games came from an anarchist zine aimed to get adults to engage in consensual violence more often, the way teens and preteens do (with considerations for our tender backs and knees). Playing those games have become political actions, building solidarity and avoiding the trap of the fear around physical resistance, while having massive amounts of fun.

Joey McAuley

I just brought 2 of my kids (both under 10) to see Alexisonfire and Pup last week and I was thinking along similar lines. I realized that I felt that my kids were safer there than they would be in a similarly sized crowd in a similar location but wasnt part of the punk rock cultural millieu. Ive been going to punk shows for over 25 years and the solidarity you see in that culture is remarkable. Theres a huge contrast between the anger and aggression in the music and fashion and the positivity you find in punk spaces.