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Friendly Fire! When captured Equipment backfires?

Were/are captured weapons (Beutewaffen) not used to prevent friendly fire? How was the situation with the German Army in the Second World War? What about the invasion of Iraq in 2003 and Operation Desert Storm 1991? "I 'heard/read' that infantry weapons were [usually] not taken from fallen enemies - not for logistical reasons, but because each weapon has its sound and to avoid invoking 'friendly' fire. Is this true? Are there writings/recommendations on this? Are there 'known' exceptions - even not just at individuals, but at unit level? Was this more of a non-issue prior to 1860? Infantry weapons obviously as opposed to loot armor.... How was it with artillery?" „Ich ‚habe gehört/gelesen‘, das Infanteriewaffen [normalerweise] nicht von gefallenen Feinden genommen wurden - nicht aus Logistikgründen, sondern weil jede Waffe ihren Sound hat und um kein ‚friendly‘ fire hervorzubeschwören. Ist dies wahr? Gibt es Schriften/Empfehlungen dazu? Gibt es ‚bekannte‘ Ausnahmen - sogar nicht nur auf Einzelpersonen, sondern auf Unit-Level? War dies vor 1860 eher nicht so das Problem? Infanteriewaffen offensichtlich im Gegensatz zu Beutepanzern... Wie war es mit Artillerie?“ (Michael, Patreon) Screenshot from War Thunder and modified by vonKickass. »» GET OUR BOOKS «« » The Assault Platoon of the Grenadier-Company November 1944 (StG 44) - http://sturmzug.com » Army Regulation Medium Panzer Company 1941 - http://www.hdv470-7.com »» SUPPORT MHV «« » patreon, see videos early (adfree) - https://www.patreon.com/join/mhv » subscribe star - https://www.subscribestar.com/mhv » paypal donation - https://paypal.me/mhvis »» MERCHANDISE «« » teespring - https://teespring.com/stores/military-history-visualized » SOURCES « BArch, RH 53-7/206: Besichtigungsbemerkungen des Kommandierenden Generals, sowie Erfahrungsberichte des Feldheeres. TsAMO: F 500, Op. 12451, D 409: Oberkommando des Heeres, Gen. St. d. H. / Gen. d. Inf.: Beispiele für Aufklärungs- und Sicherheitsdienst und Unternehmungen in der Verteidigung. 12. November 1942 (Nachdruck Februar 1944). Hube: Der Infanterist. Handbuch für Selbstunterricht und Ausbildung des jungen Soldaten der Infanterie. 6. und 7. vollkommen veränderte Auflage, Verlag „Offene Worte“: Berlin, Germany, 1934. Steiger, Rudolf: Panzertaktik im Spiegel deutscher Kriegstagebücher 1939 bis 1941. Rombach+Co GmbH: Freiburg, 1973. Töppel, Roman: Albtraum aus Stahl: T-34 gegen Panther, in: Militär & Geschichte 19 (2020), No. 4. GeraMond Verlag GmbH: München, 2020. Rasmussen, Robert: The Wrong Target: The Problem of Mistargeting Resulting in Fratricide and Civilian Casualties. U.S. Congress, Office of Technology Assessment: Who Goes There: Friend or Foe? Government Printing Office: Washington D.C., USA, 1993. Manteuffel, A.D. Hasso von: Die 7. Panzer-Division im Zweiten Weltkrieg. Einsatz und Kampf der „Gespenster-Division“ 1939-1945. Podzun-Pallas-Verlag: Friedberg, Germany, 1986. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_invasion_of_Iraq Joint Publication 1-02 Department of Defense Dictionary of Military and Associated Terms, November 2010, https://web.archive.org/web/20161006125220/http:/www.people.mil/Portals/56/Documents/rtm/jp1_02.pdf #FriendlyFire,#FriendlyFireCapturedWeapons,#Beutewaffen

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Rob Brown

Many years ago, I read of 2 such incidents in WW2, sorry don't have the books to quote._ The first was the US Army campaign in the Pacific, don't remember which islands. The ground forces were complaining about the air support they received, that the aircraft had repeatedly dropped their bombs on, or strafed their own troops. The ground commander telling the air commander that he should be getting medals from the Japanese, which did not go over very well. _ The second incident was during the Normandy landings, US Army Rangers used captured MG-42's, the sound of which are very distinct, which caused adjacent units to shoot in their direction.

Military History Visualized

yeah, that sound reasonable. Particularly for a situation like the D-Day landings or something similar, where there is a lot of chaos and everything friendly fire is already way more likely.

Gerald Be

Murphies law #42: no fire is friendly Murphies law #78: the only thing more accurate, than enemy fire is friendly fire ;)