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WWE Clash in Italy - Your Thoughts (Patreon)

Published:
2026-06-01 06:51:56
Imported:
2026-06

Content

LUKE: The best ones will be read on today's WrestleTalk Podcast

Comments

Don

Very predictable ple and felt like a way to extend most of the feuds another month. Not bad except the finish to Cody/Gunther. Best part was Oli's clip of Oba

Lewis Kelly

Brock vs Oba is like the infinity saga you can sit back forget all rule or logic and enjoy. 1-1 now we need that end game

Skye Shadowrun

Legit forgot It happened last night. I watched it. Forgot It happened. Couldn't tell you much about what happened other than Sol winning despite being made to look weak on TV

Chris

It was a really fun show (i watched it 30 minutes behind so no ads 😎) all of the matches were fun, got given some time to play with and even the annoying results like Oba/Brock were good matches. Also watch the mask Vs mask match, that's all anyone cares about anyway 😂

Vic Cutting

Trash in Italy? Clash in midaly? I’m not sure Anyway brock beating oba sucked because even if oba looked strong in defeat, it would’ve been a whole lot better if he just beat him outright twice in a row. It would Really make oba feel like a monster who can be a champion soon But no, he’s losing to brock for no reason, booo Jam that jam

Caleb

I think the biggest problem with WWE is that they will never take a risk…the show was okay but imagine how over Oba would’ve been if he still won after all that, or even how much they would trend online of Jacob beat Roman…even if it was just until the next PPV like Darby

Jack Horbury

I thought the in-ring stuff was good on this show, but I also think it was very uninspired. Having Brock win was so ridiculously, unbelievably stupid yet I’m not surprised at all. Think one of Gunther or Jacob should have won as well but obviously we had to stretch it out.

Joe Gleeson

Did anyone else's audio pick up a weird farting noise during Oba's entrance?

jasong316

Against my better judgement I decided to watch this live, whata mistaka to maka, so boring with humongous gaps between matches. Never again!

kyle McAllister

How are we just doing the “Cody’s opponent gets cheated out of a win” angle again? Like we just did this shit with Drew, why are we doing it with Gunther?

Homerstar

If Oba wins King of the Ring then I will forgive them for this booking, but he definitely isn’t. I’m convinced that’s why the first matches are Fatal 4 Ways. So Oba can lose without being pinned. Also they teased Roman vs Cody on the post show, so that’s definitely going to be the Crown Jewel match. Basically, don’t expect either of them to lose their belt anytime soon.

Bdazzle

fun fact, donald trump is a share holder of TKO now!....... i think i'm done watching this stuff

Robert Allen

If you do a word cloud of the responses, I’m guessing ‘predictable’ would be the biggest response. Nothing will happen in the ‘b’ level PLE’s under this regime. A mid-card belt may change hand as the WWE couldn’t care less about those. Otherwise just keeping going with the two unbeatable champions until the next Wreslemania. God this company is so tedious

Chris

The highlight of the main event for me was on the live reactions, Oli saying "...is this tribal combat?" as Roman threw a load of ice cubes at Jacob. I found the show a bit plodding (outside of the Oba match, which didn't have to happen in the first place) but all in all was all fine.

Tom S

Jade vs Ripley was the wrong one to put on ESPN to bait in viewers. It went 12 mins too long. Ripley vs Michin or Ripley vs Flair would have shown more excitement and got more people to buy the show I'd even say that Nattie vs Green, as a completely random combination with no build, would have worked better.

Brian Moore

Thought it sucked, let's talk about Noche de los Grandes. 3 new champions crowned, Ivar's new haircut is cool, and it feels very NXT Mexico to me. However, that Mask vs Mask match is why I'm a wrestling fan and if you put aside the dogshit beginnings of this gimmick and feud, u will watch Pro Wrestling, Lucha Libre, at it's most magical. So I need to know y'all thoughts on it?? Please 😁

Dyan Branielson

WWE has reached a new level of booking and scheduling mastery by putting on the grande’s match a day before this PLE. They must’ve known how over that match was going to be given the culmination of a 400+ day story and that it would outshine anything on this show - feels reminiscent of black and gold where the takeover would outshine the main roster PPV consistently - quite puzzling until you remember that… some wrestling companies are just f***ing stupid

TheBigBossDog

The PLE somehow felt important but also anti-climactic at the same time. Felt like nearly every match ended abruptly just so they can do another match in the feud.

Danny B

It's was a good show. Not a fan of Oba losing to Brock i agree with Oba winning at mania and think the next match against the two should have been at summer slam with Brock's carrier on the line. Brock didnt need to come back so soon and gains nothing by beating Oba

Yash Agrawal

The 2 men's title matches were incredibly underwhelming. But I really enjoyed the other 3 matches. I think that Oba losing here is fine because they will give him the win in their 3rd encounter (right?). Also it was just a really cool match. I think sol needs to face Becky and beat Becky again to truly cement herself on the main roster. She's gonna be one of the mainstays of the title scene for the future. After the first half of the rhea jade affair, the match got really fun and I didn't mind the run ins either. B-fab giving us a botchamania classic is a cherry on top! Thank you guys for the livestream it was awesome! Can hear you guys speak about anything all day :)

Sedin Magic15

Overall, I thought it was a very enjoyable PLE. Oba should have beaten Brock. I get that they were trying to make Oba look really strong in defeat but that doesn't work when a guy like Oba loses to the last guy in the world that needed a win

Wayne Proctor

Tuned into WWE as it was a decent time to watch a PLE. Saw two "future main eventers" get beat by a part time champ and a guy who has "issues" and leaving in a few months. I'm bored with the line of we got time. No idea how the Cody/Gunther match helped either of them.

ScottJDev

Having the AAA show the same weekend as this PLE, really reminded me of the old days where black and gold NXT would put on a banger of Takeover, completely exposing how boring and one-dimensional WWE's main roster booking can be 🤷🏻‍♂️ Welcome back Luke! Olly is always right.

Oisin

Had an all too familiar run of the mill feeling to proceedings. And once again, Gunther and Jacob are unstoppable (only until they're in a title match). Ultimately on a weekend where WWE were so worried about being in Italy, their best work took place in Mexico

Peter Siddorn

Oba is now officially Just Another Guy and at this point I'm just waiting for them to announce Roman Brock as the Summerslam Main Event for the title

Harry Burke

Didn't manage to jump on to the stream but hope you guys had a big one! I feel like the show was quite average. I can't see it being remembered fondly down the line because nothing of note happened. Yes, Sol won, but that wasn't exactly a barnstormer of a match either. Incredibly mediocre show from top to bottom. PS - just wanted to say I pulled a Luke Owen last weekend, by watching Double or Nothing on my phone in a nightclub on a stag do. Would recommend.

George

Like every WWE, effectively pointless and boring overall, gunther, Jacob and Oba all losing just gives nothing to look forward to

Sam Fonseca

I thought the show was… Okay? But the bloodline stuff is so boring. The Roman Vs Jacob match was definitely the weakest on the card, and the big tease at the end was… Solo? Again? I think they made a mistake from taking the title off Punk, just to play the bloodlines greatest hits.

Jamzy

Hi guys , maybe I’m just wrong but I really enjoyed this show I thought every single match was fun and genuinely enjoyable, as much as I didn’t want oba to lose , this to me just tells me he will actually retire him at SS . I also hope they do some fun feuds with Sol

James Markin

Watching the stream with you guys and I'm not shocked by the show. It's the same typical WWE booking they've had for years now. I think they drop the ball with Oba when he should of had that Goldberg 98 rocket strapped to him. He's going to be this years Breakker. He lost to a 50 year old "retired" guy. Meanwhile The Bloodline nepotism keeps going for it's 6th year. I mean it's longer than the nWo lasted and built less main eventers.

Florian Groß

Very predictable and just bland. The in-ring action was really solid though, my MotN was Sol vs Becky. Tribal Combat dragged on a bit too long for my taste, Cody/Gunther could have gone a bit longer. But I really don't want more Solo/Jacob/Roman stuff. I see no direction for Cody either and what they did to Oba sucks. And seeing how he will probably face Brock at SummerSlam, that also means he won't win King of the Ring. They are actually fumbling him. Overall a letdown after watching Collision and the absolutely brilliant AAA show earlier yesterday.

Chris Harrison

Hi guys my way to explain Clash in Italy using my best Italian themed metaphor is a mediocre pizza base and sauce (the whole card but for one match) a premium mozzarella (the crowd) and a banging topping (oba vs Brock). Loved the Patreon reaction especially the bit we are not allowed to talk about!! Jam that Jam!

Dr Jiff

Roman match was the worst on the show. Brock-Oba match spoiled by the wrong win. Cody should have lost and lost clean.

Dan Solo

While the in ring action was quite fun it was a totally predictable and anticlimactic event. European shows have these big fight feel because of the hyped crowd but more often then not the shows themselves are bang average. Gunther or Jacob should have won for a fun summer of stories where the belt can be returned in time for Mania season to Cody/Roman & Oba should have won with the story being Brock is so desperate to beat him he puts the career on the line at Summerslam rather than a predictable 1+1 stip. Why can’t Triple H sprint book the shows like you two?? Jam that Jam

Homerstar

I’ve convinced myself that the final of King of the Ring will be Bron vs Seth, and Seth will win so we can get Seth vs Roman at Summerslam, because the company refuses to book something new and exciting.

Jack

Are WWE determined to just not capitalise on any momentum for a new person. They had oba femi red hot coming out of mania and just wasted it with this Brock match. People were so excited to see him go up against Roman or another main eventer and now he will have to spin his wheels until summerslam and the return match with Brock.

cc

I just want to understand what the end game is for Triple H? What the hell is the point of this wrestling product? Does he genuinely, in his heart of hearts, believe he is putting on a good wrestling show? Because how does WWE put on the perfection of AAA's El Grande match, and then book Clash and think, "Yeah, this is awesome. People are gonna LOVE this!" i just can't make sense of this lunacy. For nearly 10+ years now, just answer this one simple question: why the hell is it so hard for this effin' company to make a good wrestling product?! I understand that they don't care and they're bad at booking, but WHY don't they care? WHY are they so bad at booking?! I just wish they'd care, man :( It breaks my heart 1+1, bitch...

Vikrish-Ingi

Imagine the conversations today if the winners were . Gunther , rhea , oba , sol and jacob. Now come back to reality there bad at booking and dont care.

samuelrgreen

You know when you said they were stuck in first gear? This feels like they are stuck in reverse. No character development for the top 2 champions in forever and no new faces getting a push. Glacial stuff.

Wahab Fares

Hey guys! Thank you for your live reactions that made getting through this show a lot easier, I don’t think I’ve seen more of a MEH show in my life. Brock/Oba had the “how badly will they fuck this up” meta heat which isn’t great. Also can anyone explain why women’s world champion Liv Morgan is in queen of the ring? Did they just forget she’s world champion?

Zac Silk

WWE reusing the rope break finish?They must be bad at booking and not care!

Justin A. Thomas

(Note: AAA Noche De Los Grandes was fantastic. Give EGA all the belts.) I need to HHH to understand that every feud doesn't need four parts that end at Mania or SummerSlam. If you're gonna beat Gunther, just beat him. I would've had him win but him just getting beat is better than kicking the can down the road so he can lose in MSG or Riyadh (did you guys know it's Riyadh Season, by the way?). If I was [evil corporate avatar for TKO] I would've paid Brock for the rest of his deal and let him stayed retired. That Oba Mania match was perfect. He took the heart of The Beast... then they did it again with a shittier outcome. Happy Sol won. Didn't care about Rhea vs Jade since the outcome was obvious. Run-in, distraction, Riyadh Season. I have a very specific gripe with this show. The first two matches aired on free TV so that means I paid $10 per match tonight. (Yes, I know it's a subscription but IDGAF about Banana Ball or Hockey.) yaddamean? Hey uce, who's the Tribal Chief? Are you the Tribal Chief? Am I the Tribal Chief? Please Tribal my Chief! It's Riyadh Season, YADDAMEAN?! Much like the opener, self-inflicted wound. The Backlash match was loser must fall in line. Why run it back if you're just gonna beat Fatu again? Also, I have no interest in Bloodline 4.0. I don't care if we get Rock vs Roman at RiyadhMania from Riyadh in Riyadh Season Stadium during Riyadh Season. 4 minute ad break. I think I might just switch sides, that Dynamite show wasn't that bad. My ranking: Cody vs Gunther: Stupid. Rhea vs Jade: ...eh. Oba vs Brock: Bad and Stupid. Sol vs Becky: They're gonna panic book Becky to win the belt back in three weeks. Reigns vs Fatu: Good but stupid.

Wahab Fares

What do you mean? Cody “accidentally” “cheated” to win his match? We’ve never, ever, ever, ever seen that before! Don’t you dare watch his other title defenses to prove me wrong!

Brendy

At least it happened at a nice time of the day

Real One's Georgie Tuffs

Jacob and Femi lost, do you recon this keeps them in the mid card scene till mania season 2027 starts?

DanHan

Not a bad show, but quality dumped on from a great height by the incredible AAA main event I watched earlier the same day. I wanted to see Gunther, Oba and Jacob go over so disappointed but at least Oba looked strong and must win r3.

Charles Downend

My only thought on substance is with regards to Jade Cargill...I'd forgotten how dreadful she really is, particularly at selling or at just having ANY facial expression. Plus if something doesn't go perfectly in a sequence, she just stops moving like an NPC not being interacted with. Honestly god bless Rhea, she was trying so hard but it's like she was wrestling a particularly uncharismatic doorknob.

That Welsh Guy

While definitely anecdotal, it's very telling to me that when checking twitter this morning I still saw more people talking about AAA and the mask vs mask match than anything that happened on the PLE, honestly forgot it had been on until I saw the patreon notification.

Morgan Leggett

Triple H books like he wrestled. In slow motion.

Joseph 'Shovel Brother' Bradford

Some pretty good wrestling from all matches I thought. First PPV I've watched since the rumble and god these adverts drag my enjoyment down. Understand the frustration over Oba losing but I feel like after 6 F5s, and being jumped he hasn't lost too much. And anything he has lost will come back after summerslam.

Harry Ledger

Thought it was really good. Atmosphere looked great. A Wrestlemania in Europe is inevitable.

Sam

Another 3 hours of predictable booking. The card on paper looked really good and it's the first show i've seen live (TV or PLE) since Mania. But the boring safe finish of Cody retaining with ref 'mistake'. The run ins for Jade and Rhea as well as the frustrating Becky ref story didn't do much for me. I just know HHH and TKO will sit and say 'we gave you a historic title change' for Sol which was great, but it's predictable, safe and lazy

Joe Manns

Decent show overall nothing outlandishly bad or good really but I’m interested in the QOTR bracket, WHY IS LIV MORGAN IN THE QOTR!!!?!!

G the B (Greg the Bastard)

Was looking forward to the show and was hoping for at least 1 men's world title change. More fool me! Another boring and safe show. I'm 41 and there has been several times over the years I've stopped watching WWE. From 2002 I stayed away for 9 years! I'm on the ropes right now and close to stopping watching as the tv is boring and the PLEs are usually bland. Creative needs a serious shake up!

Paul McP

Super predictable show, main event was deathly dull as the other two Tribal Combat matches were. WWE make out they're so violent but they're just meh. I much preferred the Backlash main event. Brock - Oba was certainly fun, but not necessarily good. Is Brock the sweatiest wrestler?

PineJohn

The story is dumb, the matches are okay, the build for Oba is bad and I'd bet he'll get out of the third match considerably less over than he was after WM. The only good thing about this feud was giving Oba a kickstart at the main event and even that was done badly. I really can't see what Oba would get from beating Lesnar again that he hadn't got in the first match

Sir Fudds Pennyworth

Decided to watch this live, and I think this is my breaking point. Oba lost to Brock. Every other match ended in the safest and most predictable way. A long, boring, and pitiful excuse to extend feuds out even longer. I think I've had my fill of WWE for while. Tired of paying $45 a month for a lower then average quality product. It's too safe, boring, and corporatised for me to justify supporting the product anymore. Should've walked away when they got in bed with Trump, but what can I say. We're all in an abusive relationship with WWE where neither one of us want's to be together, but neither of us will leave first. Well I am. So finally glad I started watching more AEW when I did. WWE is going in timeout, and we'll see if I ever even come back.

beccabee

i audibly groaned when they teased more Bloodline vs MFT slop. felt like they asked ChatGPT to book something for Roman and The Usos and it came up with that. really starting to feel WWE's creative bankruptcy. at least the AAA show was good.

Jamaal Ellison

If Triple H were a chef at a Michelin-starred restaurant and made as many mistakes with prime cuts of meat as he has in wrestling, he would likely be sacked immediately. Pro wrestling since WrestleMania 40 has been quite problematic, akin to steaks that are either undercooked or overcooked. His handling of the Bloodline, the women's division, John Cena, Gunther's "Legend Killer" run, and Cody's multiple world title reigns seems to indicate a lack of fresh ideas. He even chose to reboot the Bloodline after three years.

Jamaal Ellison

To enhance the appeal of tribal combat, consider having participants modify their wrestling attire. The inclusion of war paint, could significantly alter the atmosphere around the ringside. Given that the company is predominantly composed of Samoans, tribal combat is intended to transcend typical blood feuds or personal vendettas, representing a paramount ancient combat ritual within Samoan culture. A backstage segment could feature Solo confronting Jacob, Jimmy, Jey, or Roman, emphasizing the profound significance of tribal combat. Solo might convey a message along the lines of, "I understand we have our disagreements and personal animosities. However, Jacob has invoked tribal combat, necessitating that we set aside our differences and conduct ourselves with respect. This is crucial to avoid dishonoring our ancestors, our culture, or this ancient ritual." It would be beneficial to have them present at ringside, encircling the arena, with Solo and The MFT's ideally in attendance. Their attire could be altered, perhaps drawing inspiration from Umaga's traditional wear as a tribute. The setting could be further enriched with lit tiki torches and ancient Samoan artifacts. For those less familiar with Samoan culture, items such as vases, clay pots, and replica weapons, perhaps sourced from a store like Pottery Barn, could be utilized. During the intervals between matches, typically filled with backstage segments and advertisements, the ringside area could be transformed to feature a Samoan-themed setup, demonstrating a concerted effort to immerse the audience in the cultural experience.

Thomas westhead

For me, this was main event Black and Gold. Short punchy card, all matches 3 stars or more with an awesome NXT 2017 style crowd adding stars in the right places. Country hopping PLE’s really does make WWE feel so much bigger. Not sure if it’s new, but I really enjoyed the presentation of the multiple angle split screen during some entrances, made it all feel bigger again. But I couldn’t stop making fart noises with every step of Oba Femi’s entrance…. Thanks Oli HH kiss support wrestletalk

welly

WWE if you’re going to be an entrance company please can you get better entrance music for your stars? Long entrances + terrible music is not a great formula

ATallstalls

Honestly I think this was flat nothing terrible just a nothing ple that crowd were incredible and deserved so much more than they got and I know why we got an obafemi brock match but honestly what's the point you had a brilliant ending but you bring him back just so Gunther can retire him which Gunther doesn't need he is already a star and they have done nothing with oba since beating him and has now been beaten also on the what's the point scale what are they doing with Jacob to have him get beaten by a top guy in roman only to set up solo happy for sol but everything else is just meh

Brent

Because it fits her character. She constantly says she's the best Royal Rumble winner of all time. So why not add Queen to Liv? And maybe if she wins, there could a title unification so less belts.

Brent

The Mask vs Mask match was probably the best WWE match of the weekend.

Brent

I was going to complain about why they are having Fatal 4 Ways for the first round of King/Queen of the Ring but realized that they don't want 16 matches since 8 matches will fill up with ad time more easily.

deztista

WWE need to stop having PLE a week after AEW have their PPV as doesn't do them any favours

Dean Brereton

Said this a while back, the most interesting booking decision would have been Punk beats Roman, Fatu destroys Punk becoming champ and we build up to Fatu vs. Roman at Summerslam. The Bloodline drama is now getting to NWO, Authority and corporation levels of oh here we go again.

Jared Rasmussen

Just because I suspect you'll also discuss the AAA match: Rayo is red, Bravo is blue. That's the easy way to remember them.

Daniel Kennedy

Clash in Italy was fine I guess. But on the subject of wrestling dreams, I used to have a dream that John Cena was my dad. I remember always being really sad and ending up missing my actual dad. The weirdest part? Even in the dream John Cena was a wonderful supportive father.

Slayer65

I just want to point out between the end of the Becky match and the start of the main event I managed to leave the house for 25 minutes and still made it back in time for the main event which absolutely blows my mind

Kyle Schwarze

Forget Oba Farty, introducing: Jacob Fartu, all gas no brakes

JJ Bittenbinder

Stop me if you've heard this one before: The champion Cody comes up against a monster heel, WWE doesn't want Cody to lose the title (yet), except they also want to protect the monster heel, so...controversial finish. This is the THIRD time WWE has pulled this bullcrap with Cody. Owens, Drew & now Gunther. It's predictable, lazy and just outright lame. They are bad at booking and they do not care.

mike wolfe

Santi brought up a really good point. The Cody Gunther match was on ESPN as a way to tempt casuals to buy the necessary package to view the rest of the show. Is something as nuanced as a missed rope spot the way to do that? Absolutely not. We get the angle and why they did it (agree with it or not) but an inexperienced fan won't.

Jonathan Donath

I think Cena ruined the Brock retirement surprise so they tried to pivot, do the surprise “retirement” at wrestlemania and then have a different story for summerslam. Can always be better but if that’s the case then I get the logic