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Breaking Light

At the very least, we're getting serious Thor back. A little afraid they won't be able to keep the balancing act of all these characters. On an unrelated note, how did you do bad Spider Man films for Worst Movie Ever and not do Amazing Spider Man 2?

BalorFigs UK

Laughed so hard at Thor burying the new guys

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LUKE: I think I said this on a previous episode, but I was pitching to do ASM2 after Spider-Man 3.

Hamzah Al Qadi

I appreciate that you boys are disappointed but you can’t tell me that gambit in deadpool and wolverine was nothing but a “joke” channing Tatum was one of the best bits of that film as gambit especially in the final fight scene. Gambit vs Shang Chi will be awesome. Also I don’t appreciate you guys saying people reacting excitedly for this movie is “fake” just because you’re not excited doesn’t mean you have the right to make fun and ridicule those who are looking forward to it and enjoying the trailer. You’re right the mcu has been slowly dying since endgame and the russo’s have said that doomsday is basically just a sequel to endgame rather than phase 4 as a whole, if there’s any team I trust to put us into a decent position to bounce back after secret wars it’s Destin Daniel Cretin, Tom Holland and the Russo’s. Final thing, you guys said in your love and thunder review that they should have continued Thor on the same characterisation as infinity war and endgame and there doing that for doomsday and doing what you want and you’re laughing at it saying this isn’t love and thunder Thor. They’re giving you what you wanted guys and you’re still complaining. Anyway looking forward to what you have to say about brand new day next week. Sorry for the passionate rebuttal but as someone who has enjoyed every Disney plus show and movie after endgame (other than eternals) feels like I need to defend my plucky red headed phase 4 step children bravely. PS. Where’s the love for thunderbolts genuinely one of my favourite mcu movies as someone who has depression and anxiety and has a history of it running in my family. Love you guys even though we may look at films differently that’s why I love this series. Let’s be nice and respectful to each other in the comments, like what you like just don’t be a dick.❤️

Sunfire

So many of the characters I only recognized because of your Worst Movie Ever series, I'm so glad you guys are on Marvel now

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LUKE: I think, to be fair, Gambit in Deadpool was done as a joke, because the whole movie is a comedy about the Fox era of comic book films and that was a joke about the cancelled Gambit movie. Not saying he wasn't good, but his inclusion in the movie is a joke. I think you misunderstood what Oli was saying about 'fake' reactions. He wasn't saying fans who liked this trailer or are excited about this trailer are fake, he said YouTubers doing trailer reactions are usually doing performative reactions . I also wouldn't say we were 'complaining' about Thor, more having a laugh at the retconning and it being a good example of this film's desperation, begging its audience to come back. It's also why Steve looks like he did in Infinity War. Finally, we both loved Thunderbolts! I'm one of the few people who will go to bat for Marvel in Phase 4 and 5. I get what they were trying to do, but ultimately too many mistakes were made.

Ryan Rizzuti

Am I the only person that thought when game ended “oh that’s a really cool end of this chapter. I can’t wait to see how they bring Captain America back in the next avengers.”

Hamzah Al Qadi

Thanks for replying! Hoping to catch glimpse of you guys at all in as I’m also going! Though I’m in a wheelchair so you’re probably gonna be nowhere near where I am seated but if I see you I won’t hesitate to say hello. Also I know I just disagreed with you guys harshly but in all seriousness THANK YOU for your patreon content I rewatch your wresletalk invasion nexus and aces and eights. As well as worst movie ever. I use them as my backdrop while I’m stuck in bed reading comics due to my cerebral palsy and debilitating back pain and depression. I’m also excited to announce I’m going to wrestling school to study to be a commentator! I wouldn’t have fallen back in love with wrestling without trident! PS. Thanks for clearing up what oli was trying to say I also have autism and struggle to understand irony and sarcasm so sorry about that 😂😂😂

Rich Sloma

As I was sitting here listening to you guys review the trailer with little to no excitement, I started getting defensive. I love the MCU and while I know it hasn’t been Endgame-good in years I desperately want it to return to those heights. Then I realized something: today’s MCU is like today’s WWE. Something you used to love that was very good at one point but has slowly lessened in quality to the point of one big “meh.” It’ll still have its high points, like Shan-Chi, No Way Home, or Wrestlemania 40. But the glory days are long behind. So please, apologize to Dan Layton for me. I now understand why he defends the WWE so reverently.

JJ Bittenbinder

Thor: "....they all died" Who died? Who did die? Who stayed dead? Who? Who of importance actual died? Everybody is back/still in the MCU besides Scarjo due to lawsuit & Chadwick due to a case of actual death. Am I suppose to believe anything of actual consequences will happen? Oh no, Professor X might die for a thousand time 😅

Oliver Johnson

All this is is Infinity War 2.0. It’ll start with a scene where Doom sets out his quest and Doom like Thanos beats a big strong avenger. That Avenger goes back to earth and says how big and scary this guy is so the team from earth try to fight him.

Greg T

Shang Chi references Kang and the multiverse in the wall art as well. Wow. ‘It’s over…it’s Infinity War Thor…key jangling…Gambit is a joke…it better be commercially successful…’ Predisposing yourself with such negative expectation prior to viewing the finished product can taint perspective. It might suck. But give it a fair chance to suck. Do you think this way before you read a book? I dunno. Conditions much different, but the Kang/Majors thing reminds me so much of Magnum TA. Unrealized potential due to circumstances. You wonder how much truly was unrealized. TA was white hot and set to beat Flair before the accident. Thanks for the listen!

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LUKE: I would disagree with this assessment of our thoughts because we never said we think the film will suck, we just didn't like the trailer. If anything, we both said how excited we were to see the film, even if the trailer didn't light our worlds on fire. I do think Marvel were dealt a bad hand with the Jonathan Majors stuff, but I firmly believe that even if they'd stuck with it we'd still be looking at RDJ, Chris Evans and The Russos returning and them being the focus because Marvel are desperate because they've had a long series of failures since Endgame.

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LUKE: In fairness to Thor, in character, he doesn't know that RDJ is Doom and he thinks Cap is gone and Loki is dead.

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LUKE: You might be! I always figured they were going to move on from the original line-up because, really, they had to. Can't just keep trotting out the same cast again and again.

JJ Bittenbinder

Come on Thor Death, taxes & Loki never stays dead, if he's even dead at all 😆

Liam

Don't pretend this is on Patreon for copyright purposes, it's on Patreon so Oli can do what he does at 3:01

Brad

Personally, anything multiverse will always suck. The existence of a multiverse of infinite possibilities negates any and all stakes because nothing actually matters. Every single possibility exists, so any tension evaporates when all resolutions to the conflict exist in some way.

RealDoubleJ

The question is, are there more women showcased in this trailer than last night's Raw? 🤔

Rocco

(Big fan Cira t-shirt wall 2017) What a bunch of pessimistic d**k***** I am quite comfortable with the fact that the heights of infinity/Endgame won't be reached anytime soon or ever too much has happened since 2019 Movies aren't what they used to be, but that doesn't mean that superhero films don't have a place My own brother (19) doesn't like the cape stuff but once seeing thunderbolts He legitimately became a fan and is sort of excited to see their story continue Nothing in this film is geared towards 25 (me im 25) and younger demo it's all a bunch of old folks that could care less about, having another go, which is fun as a novelty but that's it We're gonna get that 18'/19 height once we get stories being told about characters we connected to coming together in a big crossover that feels earned this is not earned it looks like an okay movie which is fine They're are other movies and genres that are scratching that zeitgeist monoculture need rn and movies made out of a desperate Ip corporate mandate movies are not gonna be rewarded

SnapGrapplePop

The inclusion of RDJ & Chris Evans makes me so less excited for this film. Both had perfect send offs and it shows that Marvel will happily sacrifice any story for an attempt to sell a ticket

Hunter B.

So, Thanos was first introduced in GotG. They had 8 films to build that level of threat, hype up the eventual Infinity War. Doom was introduced in the credits of F4 ... with a single film between their debut BIG film. The scrapping of Kang really messed up whatever plans they had coming out of End Game, I hope this is an actual reset point and the films / series get back on track after Phases 4 & 5 being a collective wash. The fact they've done the "break glass in case of emergency" thing by ALREADY bringing back RDJ and CE does not fill me with hope though.

Benjamin

I think WWE and Marvel are really in a similar phase now. They both had these giant stories that carried them (End game and Bloodline/Cody/Cena retirement), and now that they are gone the audience is like "yeah we've seen this we want something new" but the companies worried about profits not being sky high are instead saying "lets double up on the stars" like Robert Downey and Roman/Cody/Punk. Its really interesting how these giant companies are more likely to not listen to the audience and push the stars to milk as much cash as they can, instead of understanding what the audience really wants

KidCutty

Well, was not expecting THIS reaction 😒 u ever think that sometimes u guys are TOOOO smart? 🤔 to each their own I guess 🤷🏿‍♂️

Rich LeClaire III

Welcome to comics. A character dies or is perfectly wrote off to just be brought back.

Liam

Any chance of an Odyssey review, boys? 🤞

Nick Kowal

It's really unfortunate that Jonathan Majors is a piece of shit, because it forced the hand of Marvel to quick pivot to Dr. Doom. Hopefully Doomsday delivers, but it is very hard for me to get excited without knowing the story of the film. It feels like it's just the edit of a trailer of pieced together teasers, as opposed to a real trailer.

Josh F

Well shit guys you sure know how to dampen excitement. Think you have been watching too many bad MCU movies.

TomG

God it looks so good 👌🏻😀😮🥹 Sometimes you have to be just a fan not a critic.

Brian Lewis

Thanks guys. I've been looking at my subscriptions to see what to keep and what to cancel to save some money, and your reaction has helped with that decision. So long to CutScene

Richard Lee

I am not sure but I feel like Thor might be a alternate version not endgame. I think his conversation is about Dr Doom defeated his worlds Avengers and destroyed his world.

Markos Gomez

The Venom thing in Spider-Man was solved in the last Venom movie so they weren’t doing a team up

Evan

I'm glad they went with the Hickman Secret Wars cause there's so much to mine in that.

The Black Arrow

I reckon the post credits of this is Spidy in the Symbiote (Loki is really great)

Evan

Kinda hard to build up black panther since he literally died.

Simon Wakeford

Black Panther is in this movie. Black Panther is a title. T'Challa died, but Shuri is still alive and well

Miguel Avila

“What are we some kind of X Fan4stick Avengers?”

Shelby Eustace

we need to remember as well the marvel movies saga are now over 20 years old since the first ones that is an incredible feat, but as you guys said, nothing is hot forever but damn have they had one of if not the best runs that still isnt fully over

Evan

You're either willfully being ignorant or just aren't thinking fully if you think Chadwick Bosemens death didn't change the trajectory of the MCU

Graff

Oli hip thrusting the air was not on my bingo card

Corey Haynes

I am mostly in agreement. I have hit my superhero burnout, and I am looking forward to Doomsday but from a very superficial level. I will say, I do give them some slack in that they were working towards Kang, and the issues with Kang obviously they had to pivot, so I don't mind they brought back RDJ as Doom. But Chris Evans coming back does feel very "key tangling". And I will feel the same about Thor being in, instead of the focus being on all the new characters.. unless they have him killed straight off? That would be sweet. I wasn't excited or caring for the movie until I saw the trailer, and I did get excited, but, as you said, because it is superficial. I am more excited for Dune Part 3

Triof

I feel like Doomsday seems to be coming really quickly - I didn't think it would be for several films at least, as there really hasn't been any build up for it at all.

Lily Petal

Superficial cool sums it up. I will go see Doomsday and I hope that as we get closer and get more trailers, it upgrades to HOLY SH*T!. But that is a weak hope.

book__wyrm

Oli, if you're watching Multiverse of Madness, you really aren't getting the full experience if you don't also rewatch Everything Everywhere All At Once to remind yourself of what multiversal competition that movie was up against in theaters

Pogo is here

idk what it is about this trailer and all the news around this movie but i don't care about this and thats a shame cos dr doom is my fav marvel character. also side note where the mf doom music.

Samuel Aoake

Lmao, talk about an overreaction.

Sam Bridges

I'm seeing a lot of backlash in this comment section, so I'd like to say I agree that this trailer is just key jangling. I would be lying if I said I didn't think this was an awesome trailer, but it really doesn't give me any confidence that this film will be anything other than an episode of wwe, all entrances and cheap pops for the sake of making bank, no substance or actual vision. Just cashing off of name value and expensive production

Sam Bridges

They have to reset. Not even just because it's Secret War they're doing next, everything's such a mess it's their only option. Plus now that they own xmen and fantastic four they can just reset and make an actual marvel cinematic universe and not a weird knockoff

Sam Bridges

In other words "Don't think, just consume"

Sam Bridges

Why is your excitement dampened unless they made valid points?

Sam Bridges

And this is why I'm really okay with this. I just wish it wasn't so much like a comic that it prioritizes sensationalism over actual storytelling

Cyx

I don't think they will full reset after secret wars, kinda see them just folding Fantastic Four into the current universe and reframing the MCU to be centered around the new X-Men. Obviously if the first X-Men movie bombs they would likely return to the classic formula

NDA

No one saw Wakanda Forever?! Guys… it made over 850 million at the box office 😂😂😂😂

KidCutty

Sooo your basically telling me to do the same thing then hunh? 🤔😏 look big fella, there's thinking and then there's being hypercritical 😒 Nobody likes someone trying to be the smartest guy in the room ALL the time and thats how this felt 🤷🏿‍♂️ SOOOO IN OTHER WORDS, I SAID WHAT I SAID.....NOW CONSUME THAT 😏

stephsparklypeach

I mean, given Marvel's track record in changing scenes trailers to draw us in and then the film is different, it's hard to get excited about it

Noah Fortner

Luke I can’t believe you gave backrooms 4 stars on letterboxed

pavan gangawane

Marvel has watered down MCU so much that i feel no excitement for an avengers movie.

Sam Bridges

Feel free to eat shit i really don’t care

KidCutty

You cared enough to comment on MY POST tho 😏 go be irrelevant somewhere else 🖕🏿✌🏿😂

Breaking Light

Any chance to do the movie? I'd be really interested in seeing a play by play given I think it takes the Spider Man 3's worst aspects (too many villains/characters, storylines competing for screentime, a narrative that's all over the place) and supercharges it.

Tweet Joe Self

Deadpool & Wolverine grossed over 1.3 billion as a Rated R film. The lack of respect this film continues to get is mind boggling.

Micah Newby

TL; DR This reaction feels weird cuz they're playing different characters, not the beloved ones They're..... They're playing different characters, though. Robert Downey Jr is coming back; 616 Tony Stark is not coming back. Now, if you think Chris Evans undermined his previous send-off first by playing The Human Torch again then at least I can respect your consistency, but either way calm down. I'll even concede that's it's an emotionally manipulative cash-grab, sure, but it's not AT THE EXPENSE of beloved characters unless that's the version being played. Victor Von Doom EXISTING in a DIFFERENT UNIVERSE does not bring Tony Stark back

SnapGrapplePop

It’s not at the expense of the characters (well not Tony Stark at least, we’re yet to see for Cap). The perfect send offs were for the actors as well as the characters, but Marvel knows that they’ve struggled trying to move on from them and are attempting a desperate pop in bringing them back like this when the return of both could have easily been classic cinematic moments.

Chris

I agree with literally everything you both said! Even before I saw this I watched the trailer and thought "yeah it looks cool but wheres the build?? Thats what made the the Thanos saga so great was the build. Where's the build?"

Johnny Wells

I remember watching endgame twice on release day and then again the following day, I didn’t get that vibe from the doomsday trailer

Alex Denny

Just abandoned the Raw review podcast to watch this because Oli told me to

NDA

Mate…😅

DennyDorko

Of course this team won't be up to stopping Doom. Everybody should already know this is the movie where they lose only to stage a comeback in "Secret Wars."

Ben Woodvine

Adversititty in Doomsday and then WM40 in Secret Wars. I've trusted the Russo's since Community, but am sad they didn't recast Kang as Chang...

Rogue

I feel that with this trailer Marvel has gone "Look at all the new characters we have to use now" and shoved as many into the trailer