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Wahab Fares

Forgettable show with a poor ending for me. The lack of clear heel/face dynamics in the Bloodline stuff has made the whole thing collapse in on itself. There’s shades of grey, and then there’s just flip flopping with no logic behind it. The crowd was confused watching Keys get positioned as the heel for beating down The Usos, who have been heels themselves for the past month, while also attacking Solo and LA Knight, the obvious babyfaces who he literally teamed with at SummerSlam and who are clearly against the Bloodline. None of the dynamics make any sense. It’s a mess.

Chris deaton

Monday night background noise was pretty good. Rey Fenix v Dragon Lee was awesome and solo had me coughing laughing doing the matrix to Jey’s warning shot

Brent

I have to give WWE one thing: they managed to turn a middling Raw into a talking point with the sorriest debut ever with OTM. I didn't realize one of them was Bronco Nima who was just in the most recent episode of AAA where he lost to Penta which resulted him getting kick out of the group he aligned with in AAA. I think they should had Keyes wreck everyone and held back on OTM via in video packages similar to how Kyoki was introduced. I like Keyes being heel. Why we aren't getting Becky vs Vaquer for the no 1 contender to the Women's World Title but Vaquer gets a shot at the title in 2 weeks? Unless they are going to delay that match for a bigger event, I don't see the point of delaying. At least the wait time for Liv doing another title defense isn't 100 days but rather 30 days.

Jeremiah Culver

Oba looks so confident on the mic. Breaker looks like he’s about to mess up at any moment. Felt very scripted on his side. It’s a shame cause I love Breaker and prefer him in the ring. But that sit down really did make it clear who the better talker is for me.

GRAVY

Great now we have 3 interesting tag teams on Raw and none of them even seem to realise the tag belts exist. They need to disband The Vision already.

Eliot

I keep forgetting Raw is on. How times have changed for me.

Graff

Fenix vs Lee & Penta vs LA Parka were pretty good. The finals next week could be MOTY quality. Shame no one cares. Also thanks Luke for last weeks recommendation! Oli looking good as always mi compadre (kohm-pah-dreh) 👍

Matt Corcoran

I went to the show and I thought it was good! The dark match being Kit Wilson vs. Hiromu Takahashi put me in a good mood right away. Fenix vs Dragon Lee was great, and seeing OTM debut with nobody around me knowing who they were was pretty funny. They taped Smackdown immediately after and it was great, impressive the crowd were still alive for the main event of that show after 4 hours.

Lily Petal

Rey Fenix vs. Dragon Lee oh yes, they killed it! Penta vs Fenix next week, gimme a hell yeah!! And after next week, let's please, please, PLEASE put the Lucha Bros back together!!

mike wolfe

When Michael Cole told us that Penta was setting WWE on fire I yelled out "God damn it, Cole!". Remember after WM 40 when Cole said he loved professional wrestling? What happened to that Cole? Please bring him back. This quip machine we have now is nauseating. Oh and anyone else catch Graves calling Keys Hobbs? LOL, oops.

Don

Bloodline story is derailing fast. I can't figure out why Keyes attacked his former partners unless they're trying to set up a war games match with Knight joining the bloodline instead of Punk this year. Can't believe Penta and Fenix will have a match against each other before they reform the Lucha Bros even though word was WWE wanted tag teams. Rey did have match of the night against Lee though. Tinfoil hat idea... what if creative planned the months leading to Summerslam to be so bad that their post-slam stories, while mediocre, will seem so much better by comparison? I'm more pumped by Turbo, especially with the announced response track by Christian called "Your (Real) Dad" Now that's a Forbidden Door

Vectron44

Picture the scene: Wrestlemania 43. Roman charges up a Superman Punch at a hooded and cloaked Rock, telling him that "You will beg for HHH long before I grant it!" But then the Rock blocks the Superman Punch with two fingers, casts it aside and kicks him against the turnbuckle. "HHH answers to me...For I...am...Dwayne." Pure cinema.

James H.

That Fenix/Dragon Lee match was great. We could have matches like that every week, but no. We have to have time for Judgement Day...

James H.

Oba with the "your chances drastic go down," callout. Line of the night.

Michael Rivera Morales

No cares because is like Luke and Oli took from Alvarez saying is the "who will lose to Roman and not be elevated tournament" so one cares

Wheels

So the show mid overall but had a heatless banger with Fenix vs Lee. Also how are we supposed to take the Usos seriously when Romans round when it feels like the booking isn’t making them serious/credible when Roman’s not around

Matt Adams

Not much to the show tonight outside of 2 things. Still think Bron and Oba is far an away the best thing they are doing, but its too early for that match. The end angle was interesting, but its all bad they will probably be losing to the bloodline in abiut 2 weeks.

Sam

Just an ok episode of Raw. All of the matches were okay to good, but I just don't care for the tournament or who wins it. Solo and LA Knight were the best thing on the show their dynamic is really fun. The OTM angle at the end is just so "meh." Like, I know they're not going to do anything as a faction and from watching nxt they are not ready for main roster.

Sean Steez

Very missable episode of Raw. The lack of starpower is SO glaring at this point. The opening with Solo/LA was a good payoff to weeks of “Will they/wont they” despite a dead crowd. Yet, it lead to what felt like a filler episode of this program while we wait for MITB. I’m looking forward to the “which luchador will lose to Roman in Mexico” tournament to be through. Despite the participants putting on great performances, WWE bookers have been mauling it in even more knowing they had two non-canon matches to fill the airtime. Lastly….WHY IS IYO reduced to being just a caricature at this point. She’s one of the best performers on the roster, but by all means, let’s not use her. Overall 2 Ollies out of 5.

Shae

Very missable episode. There was progression but nothing worth 2hrs 21 mins(Oli) of your life so watching after is the best option. 2.5/5 show I feel like there should've been more impacting and it just wasn't for me. Bron and Heyman relationship made that segment. Royce keys and OTM? Def could've been any other ready talent from NXT to align with him. Good angle and spot just will take some getting used to. Only thing I will remember from this is Micheal Cole : " in the hoods of Oakland" def brought the segment down for me 🤣

Dev King

Since the new day left, i mainly watch NXT and AAA for WWE programming, most of my wwe news has mainly been from podcasts and videos, getting the notification that OTM debuted tonight was bitter sweet though. They really should’ve won the NXT tag titles, but at least with AAA it makes since why they kicked him out “maybe” they have plans? (Doubt it)

RedHood93

I kinda liked the ending, I like that Royce Keys brought it back up after his previous back up wasn't there when it mattered. But I'm at a point where I really need one of these groups to be a babyface or heel faction. Everyone can't be tweeners it just feels like WWE doesn't want us to boo anyone

Jon Simons

My guess is a non-finish involving Becky that leads to a triple threat

KidCutty

This Raw was some 🔥 🔥 🔥. Royce Keys finally got some motion with OTM and he's right...NOBODY came and helped him so he said F it and got it (Out The Mud) his damn self 🫡 The matches tonight got time and cooked especially Rey and Dragon Lee. People keep saying it but WWE since Summerslam has been firing on all cylinders "pew pew" 😂

Brandon

forgot the early start so I watched it after it finished instead of live and thought it was a good ep. the lack of stars problem is still their of course but the matches were all fine to excellent (specifically Fenix vs Lee which was the only match to get the crowd interested), the Bron/Oba contract signing was great, and a heel Royce+OTM faction is pretty exciting for me and they looked great. for the reason why Royce is a heel (since some people didn't catch it), he said before he hit solo with the chair "you didn't help me" so it seems he's angry solo and knight didn't save him from the Fatu post match beatdown. simple but justified.

Dominic Walls

Thought this Raw was very good, however it did lack Solo Dolo in every segment so 1/5

Brandon

heres a spoiler. the bloodline are gonna get involved in the title match in Mexico, Fenix is gonna stop the usos but roman is still gonna win. this will set up Usos vs Lucha Bros

Brody Allsep

So do they want OTM to be a big thing or not? First it was a trio with Jaida Parker, but they split when they wanted to push her more (for all the good it did her). Then they needed a better talker and got Scrypts/Reggie after being unmasked. Now they are just the goons of a new trio to push Royce Keys, after Bronco Nima had a 2 month moment before Perros del Mal kicked him out. I don't see it, but I'll keep my eyes open if they want to show me something here.

KidCutty

Royce helped them when they needed it, but when he got beat down they didnt help him. So he went and got help......Not as hard to figure out as your Ranting about chief 🤷🏿‍♂️He even said as much to Solo 😂

Dominic Walls

Side note anyone else catch Corey Graves call Royce Keys, Hobbs?

Figment

Did anyone else notice that Oba basically cut a Heyman promo on Bron? He used the "right guy at the right place at the wrong time" line that Heyman used on Roman. And Heyman noticed it too.

KidCutty

Okay...you've told us what u didnt like. Even somehow talked bad about the thing you claimed to like. Did you like anything or were you just miserable throughout it? 😂

KidCutty

Sorry to hear that...you missed a good one 🤷🏿‍♂️

KidCutty

I Care 🤷🏿‍♂️ Dont let Luke and Oli's cynical takes influence your opinion. Did you hear that crowd tonight? So what if the winners losing to Roman. We can still enjoy the ride there 🤷🏿‍♂️ i think they've lost sight of that unfortunately. But to each their own I guess

Scott Adams

Genuinely, could we just go back to an undisputed tag title across both shows? Both shows have such weak tag divisions that they need each other to have any good stories. I know the main event segment had 3 teams involved there, but all of those teams seem more interested in fighting each other than winning belts.

Brent

I saw your comment and glad you think it was a great Raw. I like LA Knight and Solo along with Solo's new green gear. Both semifinals were good. As I said before I like Keyes turning heel but having OTM being revealed as well was just unnecessary. I think the segment could have gone better if OTM were completely masked and then revealed as OTM in a promo. I'm pretty sure a good amount of people don't watch NXT would have known who they were. Every show has its good and its bad but right now, there's more bad with Raw than good. I don't want it to be bad but want it to be better.

Sedin Magic15

I had a proper laugh when Solo did the Matrix maneuver. He is so so good in this role! Rey Phoenix and Dragon Lee put on an absolute banger, should have been the opening match, I think. Other than that, the rest of the episode was just kind of..there. If you know what I mean. 3/5 show for me

Brett A

If they are going to do a dq finish or a no contest for the oba bron match, id rather they do a Last man standing match where both guys stay down for the 10 count in the end. Bron really cant take a loss in this feud and a dq end is just terrible for everyone involved.

Brett A

i think if they just let him talk about what really happened. like I liked him going I was that guy until i got hurt. these people were chanting for me. I wish he had just finished it with like eventually they will move on from you too oba. Eventually you are going to be the guy working with Logan paul.

Brett A

he is just an old man that was never really good at his job. Sooner they move on the better.

CDE

Big Cass Vs jevon was like watching a lion fight a baby bunny rabbit, it should have been a squash. Dragon lee continues to have great match after great match, he's the true MVP of raw, he elevates anyone he fights. Why are the usos still yeeting with the crowd when they are heels, the characters are so inconsistent it's not just confusing, it actively hurts the story and the wrestlers.

Daniel James Baker

Some pleasantly surprising bits on RAW with an opening promo of good chemistry with la and solo, solo dodging more bullets with great hilarity followed with Steph's very technical match with Roxanne, started a little rocky early but really got into and improved along the way, just wish the JD could do something different. Dragon Lee getting new entrance music good for him, it doesn't sound like lucha heavy metal number 2 anymore but the match was decent too, already there was heat for the lucha matches this week! Great promo between Bron and Oba, but Bron shouldn't Bron sound or spit a more angry promo? It did eventually get where I wanted to but I think the vision has tarnished him so much the crowd weren't buying into breakker not nearly as much as Oba. Technical organization was lacking for the bts with the usos, Jey as ever, looking like a collosal twat that he's fully unbelievable. Not surprised Big Cass' entrance sounds like another diarrhea bass line from Def Rebel. Poor la parka coming out to dire silence while he's just vibing. Either way couple of good matches and a disappointing main event interference because as nice as it is there's seemingly a new tag team on the roster, it's ultimately going to go nowhere because they're bad at booking and they don't care. Much love, Pew!

Mohammed Albanai

Fenix vs dragon lee was a great match, so good I didn't mind the predicable result. I didn't have an OTM debut on my bingo card but definitely excited to see what Royce keys does as a faction leader. Solo and LA knight have a great dynamic, I'm predicting they add a third person to their team to even the odds against the bloodline/OTM. Glad to see ethan page again, his feud with Chad should be good. Stephanie vs Roxanne was too good for this crowd, all in all a great episode except for the judgment day beat down on Je'von

FJC Racing

Overall, I think this RAW was just very average. The one after Summerslam was great, then a meh show followed, then we got a great one last week, and now another eh one here. Would like some more consistency. That and Roxanne Perez to not be every woman’s “I need a win” pin eater. Not gonna complain fully though, some good things still there, including that incredible Lee/Fenix match. They got me to jump on at least 2 false finishes.

Eric#13

I dont know OTM, but this new faction sadly gives a vibe of: "Wont get any time to get over and be in the undercard by the end of the year"

Peter Siddorn

Is Oba Bron really a big deal? Only asking because I didn't see Triple H doing a pointless cameo in the signing for their match at Sunday Night Main Event!

kyle McAllister

Decent show, but had weird bits. A few promo fumbles, some forced lines to get to a bit, but most glaring was Cole and Graves BURYING Cass during his match. It was weird hearing the heel commentator call someone a bully. I know he has some issues in his past, it was just odd to hear commentary kinda break kayfabe to only hint at it. Overall though, the wrestling on the show was good to great, so no real complaints.

Carl

Two small points 1) I know why they do this but I’m so sick of them advertising which episodes Roman Reigns will be on. Almost the company admitting that they consider this a B episode. 2) No entrance for La Parka, terrible choice. As always the best wresting on this episode was from the Luchas, shame no one cares who actually wins this tournament. This being said I actually enjoyed the episode.

Richard Glasby

I couldn't sleep, so watched it live.holy fuck do not make that mistake

Harry Burke

What's the betting we get Judgment Day + Lyra Valkyria Vs Becky, Stephanie Vacquer, Iyo Sky and Sol Ruca for Wargames? Speaking of, when are the Judgment Day going to break up? They're formulaic now - one of them will have a crap match, interference, finish, inconsequential payoff, repeat next week.

oak_slaney

A pretty mediocre show and crowd only saved from being actively bad by Dragon Lee vs Rey Fenix. Dragon Lee especially really got himself over with this crowd, with some of the crowd actually booing when Fenix kicked out after the cannonball to the outside and then the styles clash. Lucha bros final will be great, just wish it could feel like it has real stakes. Also, please give the luchadors on the main roster some actual characters other than, ‘I love luncha libre’ and, ‘I love rey mysterio’ because they are so good in the ring

Jimic

I want to start this of by saying that I like Bron, I really do, and I think he has a lot of potential and a bright future ahead of him, but man, that Oba/Bron segment was the closest thing to a burial I've seen in a long time in WWE. It was like Man vs Boy out there. Oba was cool and confident on the mic with great references to the past and had the audience in the palm of his hand. Bron meanwhile just sounded like a whiny, pathetic child who came across as cringe. How am I supposed to think someone is a 'Badass' when he throws a tantrum everytime he gets insulted and his daddy Heyman doesn't love him. The segment honestly reminded me of the John Cena/Austion Theory promo leading to their match at Wrestlemania 39, which at first sounds funny when you realise Bron is tag team champions with Austin, but ends up actually being a terrible omen when you understand the implications of what happened to Austin after that Cena feud. I hope for Brons sake that his fate will be different because I worry that if things continue this way then Bron will never get over as the next big thing and will be doomed forever to irrelevance i.e. the midcard.

Florian Groß

The "who will Roman beat" tournament matches were really good as usual. All the rest, while progress was being made in some stories and the wrestling wasn't bad, felt utterly forgettable.

james knight

Keys said to both Knight and solo when beating them down that they didn't help him, meaning he feels let down they allowed Jacob to take him out, so he clearly felt he needed his own help because he couldn't rely on them

KayfabeKyle

Monday Night Bore this week, a missable episode unfortunately, Ray Fenix/Dragon Lee was good, and the injection of Keys and the OTM into the bloodline story was much needed. Monday Night Tag Team Turmoil is clearly the best wrestling show on a Monday Night right now, #TeamMentallyWeakSprint

Vikrish-Ingi

Enjoyed so much of the show women's world title scene exists. Lyra great as always. Bron Oba heyman been brilliant as always. Lucha stuff excellent matches. LA and Solo are the best thing on Raw . Big Cass was Big Ass again this week. Lola debut incoming couldn't care less think shes overrated and her striking is as fake as brie bellas. And OTM couldn't care less cause there booking on NXT was sporadic . Feels like just shoehorning in new people when they fail with booking of what they have. Think they sould unify the men's tag titles all 3 and put someone on creative to make a decent divison.

welly

Starting to get really into Bron again but he needs to leave the vision. Austin Theory showing up to help him felt like it undermined some of what Bron was saying. I want the match to be no interference but now I’m worried that it will become Oba versus the vision rather than just Bron.

James Hanna

Pew pew?!? More like pee yew- this Raw stunk!!!

Jeremiah Culver

I think with the photos of Bronson Reed posting his progress photos of coming back it can be interference from him to help Bron win. He looks incredible. Not even sure a Tsunami will be the finisher anymore

Wahab Fares

Why do you care? its a show that people are allowed to form different opinions on. Im glad you enjoyed the show. Why do you need validation from other people's thoughts on it too?

Luke Whittet

Idea for Wargames match - three way of trios. Usos + Roman vs Keys and OTM vs Solo, Knight and someone (probably Drew McIntyre given he’s back in the gym)

Matt

I think if this were Black and Gold NXT era everyone would be very very high on the end of the show. Instead it’s met with a “who?” And no pop

Lily Petal

All true but since I know no one is beating Roman any time soon, as long as I get the Lucha Bros back together, I will count that as a win!

MegaUltra SuperKO

Im conflicted on this show. On one hand Fenix vs. Lee, Penta vs. Parka and the Oba vs Bron signing were great but its how you leave them and they left me and the crowd feeling confused. Understand why Royce is beating the bloodline but why Knight and Solo? 4/5 show. Also is it just me or does anyone else feel like commentary were a little too harsh about Cass especially Graves since he's a heel commentator.

Nick Kowal

Maybe Luke was right...nobody is quoting the pipe bomb in promos, but we got Oba Femi quoting Steiner Math....

Don

What I'm saying is I understand why he attacked the usos, but by also attacking his former partners he really became a heel, so is he trying to turn the usos face? I felt there was a better way to do this segment. Fantasy booking, I would've had Keys and OTM beat down the usos (justified) causing solo/knight the match. When solo starts to complain, Keys gives them a threatening look which causes solo to back off and then Keys leaves. Next week he can cut a promo with solo/knight saying that he's out to end the bloodline since they tried to end him and threaten solo/knight in person that if they get in the way then he'll end them too since they didn't help him. Then they can build towards a trios for MitB and war games. Instead, I got whiplash by how fast everyone changed roles

brolly

can I ask why is it ok for f4wonline to interview aew stars but busted open radio cant interview wwe