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Dylan Knostman

OKTAGON is on. That is all that matters

Abdiel

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J Damsel

Zhang gang checking in

Jibbo

About the body jab ko I think it was just a delayed reaction to the liverhook. Or was it so obvious that thats not the case?

Matt Morgan

I heard you like Bekole. Well I got good news for ya.

Harry Russ

Song is a guy who would be way more interesting of a fighter if he fought out of literally any other gym. Worst thing to happen to Cody and TAM was Cody beating Dom because all of Cody's horrible habits calcified and TAM was like "actually we were always right about how we train every fighter and so we don't need to ever change."

Rowdog

Well well well, looks whose getting a tattoo

FH

Other than Keita and Holzer Oktagon is euro trash & paydays for guys who wernt good enough for the UFC or were cut. Business model is out jobbers on cards and sell out stadiums in country’s with no decent MMA shows.

Dylan Knostman

Lol that’s just straight up false. Penaz, engizek, Szabova, Bolander, ion Surdu, Samsonidse, fluery, Todev, ilbay, Hulme, Shem rock, eskiev, mazuch, Severino, holzer, Keita, muradov, Nafuka, sardari, and many more are all talented names worth paying attention to. They sell out stadiums which is better than almost any other promotion, and you’re right they do pay well which matters. Go watch some OKTAGON and then come back and talk pal

BennyB

There is no such thing as “not good enough for the ufc” anymore. They sign any bum from the contender series to make up the numbers.

FH

Think you missed my point since you gave me a list inclusive of what I don’t like about Oktagon. A bunch of guys who smash roided Central Euro journeymen. I was broad brush as there is other top guys on the rise, George Staines, Bogdanovic, Legierski & I’ll give you Penaz & Servino. Yes they hold the world record for attendance which they are going great things with stadiums same as KSW as there’s appetite in Germany/Poland. UFC doesn’t really go there but it will sell out the 02 with 20000 people in London and make 3 times the gate receipts. For me to say your the biggest promotion in Europe your roster should be juiced up journeymen and ex CW champs that weren’t good enough for the UFC. I personally don’t like the production, the emphasis on manufactured pre fight drama/build up. Watching washed guys beat jobbers. I think PFL Europe has a better roster & CW/Ares has much more potential in their roster. They pay well because they have removed the UFC clause which is probably why the rosters top stars are over 30yo guys who won’t pass drug tests

Max

Oh Slacky boy The pipes, the pipes are calling Is this it for Cejudo?

Dylan Knostman

And I just frankly don’t agree with you. All the issues you listed are far worse in other promotions, or those promotions don’t even make an effort to do things right (proper promotion, actually filling stadiums) which in my opinion makes your point moot. Okay yeah there are some roided washed guys but they sell tickets, which allows OKTAGON to build up their young talented stars, just like most orgs out there. The tipsport gamechanger is the best tournament in all of combat sports, and with things like the Neruda cup OKTAGON legit has a better business model than almost any other org. To even mention the PFL as a positive is hilarious to me, and shows that you just don’t see the sport the same way I do and that’s okay. And just because the UFC would make more on their gate doesn’t mean shit. UFC London tickets were over $600 for a card at 4 am, has nothing to do with the quality of MMA. You will come back to this convo in about 2 years and eat your words once OKTAGON runs Europe completely. Are you watching FAME mma and thinking it’s OKTAGON or something? Lmao Also they only removed the ufc clause a few months ago. They’ve been paying well for long before that

FH

Yeah certainly see the sport different. The clause going in November is a strange one for me. PFL is terribly ran but pays better than Oktagon & has a far superior roster/product. Oktagon built its base on reality stars like misfits boxing. Part of that is my issue. First show in the UK we had a failed pop star fight a comedian. In terms of young stars they signed one. PFL, CW & Ares that’s their whole bag. Misfits boxing and Oktagon could sell out 1m seater stadiums and still not be for me. The UFC product is excellent in terms of how the show flows and is ran. Low tier UFC fighters tend to be at a level of co main event for and promotion in Europe. Other MMA shows it’s never been about stadiums other than KSW & Japan so it’s not a metric people are competing on but it is something that Oktagon have done very well on. For me it’s the roster, generally fighter quality & the match making is haphazard. The whole social media creating beefs & having celebs fight isn’t for me. I appreciate your knowledge, passion and taking your time to respond. You’re right in your points about stadiums, fighter pay and how they have exploded. I’d be happy if they became even bigger and challenged the UFC’s monopoly for the sport but I’d want to see more talent nurturing and progression than they currently have as they tend not to sign young prospects. Servino they signed off the back of losing on DWCS. I’d like them to pick up some CAGE Finland guys. Some really good Scandinavian prospects there.

J Damsel

I just rewatched it and it looked like the left hit the elbow of Sanchez before glancing off to the liver somewhat high, so it was probably the jab dropping him (after absorbing dozens of body shots previous) Really interesting fighter, maybe my new favourite. Sanchez had literally just taken an 8 count from body shots like 30 secs previous.