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[Full Reaction] Beach Episode 283 (Patreon)

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2025-12-16 19:00:09
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2026-09
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Hielo Kasama

Stark unlike all the other hollows, is the only of his kind to be a natural arrancar, without the help of the hogyoku. Although like he said we don't know who came first nor if anyone of them are the original form...

Hielo Kasama

Shunsui, stated that his sword didn't want to start the game. It's not that he wanted to but it's that he couldn't. Shunsui stated that his sword chooses the game, so there could be other games he could play.

ooAlmondMilk

Starrk is such a great character man... his ability initially seems detrimental since he expends his own soul, but once you know his backstory it makes a lot of sense. He’s bound to get weaker every time he uses it, to the point where eventually he would no longer be a threat to those around him.

Balkadar

both starrk and ulquiorra are confirmed natural arrancars that i know about. its shown in unmasked ulquiorra backstory as title literally suggest

CaptainCameron

A lot of the other captains are lucky they didn’t have to face starrk. Unfortunately he had to face Shunsui who’s extremely strong. Also Shunsui’s shikai ability turns children games into reality and anyone with spiritual pressure in close proximity is subject to the game. So theoretically any children game you can think of can be apart of his abilities

Vino

Okay now that we've seen all the vasto lordes lose (the top 4), I can post my theory as to why they felt underwhelming in potential! My theory is that their ceiling has always been higher than the captains and by a mile but the difference is that unlike Ulquiorra, none of them learned their second release! the second release is a huge deal in power, similar to a captain's bankai and in all these fights, the espadas were using the equivalent of a shikai and still going toe to toe with these captains (in fact barragan only died because of his own power)

Rey

yeah the top 4 espada are all confirmed Vasto Lordes, remember that all arrancars look humanaoid, because they ripped off their masks. The human shape only matters before that, so 4,3,2,1 were all Vasto Lorde level Espada

Hielo Kasama

I forgot that part I was only aware he was born a vasto lorde

Ken Lang

A few thoughts on the top 5 ( I say 5 because people forget Yammy) - Stark didn't lose because he was weak; Gotta consider he was emotionally distracted by losing Lillinette and never wanted to fight to begin with. On top of that he didn't want to fight someone strong as he said. He wanted to befriend strong people. - Barragan died undefeated by someone else's power. His own power beat him. Technically undefeated...but the most credit I can give is that Hachi's intelligence and strategy to outsmart him was what defeated Barragan, not his power. - Harribel felt underwhelming because she hasn't done anything magnificent combat-wise. Lots of water attacks and weapon strikes...but you do have to acknowledge she was holding her own against 3 opponents including one captain. - Ulquiorra is speculated to be the real strongest, which wouldn't be #1 in Stark's place, but #0 in Yammy's place because of his second release that nobody knew about. - Yammy sucks

Ken Lang

Top 4? So you're saying Ulquiorra wasn't Vasto Lorde and only Yammy, Stark, Barragan and Harribel?

Ken Lang

Not all, Yammy still there.

Rey

My apologies, I never include Yami in the top. I like to pretend that Rank 0 stuff didn't happen. But I did list them as 1, 2, 3 and 4, I left out 0

Vino

Top 5* I always forget about this dude. Well apply my theory for 1-4 then

Ken Lang

Ah I see. I feel ya on that. the going from 10 to 0 thing is such a awkward point of conversation. Really, though, Yammy is vasto lorde too right? I don't remember.

Ken Lang

But Yammy is vasto lorde too right? I was just assuming

Vino

I actually don't know. Must vasto lordes are quite small and human like in base and yammy looks more like an adjuchas. Maybe kubo clarified somewhere. Regardless, we haven't been exposed to a second resurrection from him thus far

Ken Takahashi

Please stop spreading misinformation where does it say Ulquiorra is the real strongest lmao

Ken Lang

Ok calm down. This is not misinformation. I did not present anything as fact. So if you read my comment again, I said “it is speculated”. Meaning this is an opinion in the fandom. Please stop gas lighting. Haiyaaa!

Rougeninja69

Ken is 100% right. Stop hating. Yammy was a cop out for Kubo.

Rougeninja69

Yammy was not a vaste lorde. His release is literally just him getting bigger. the #0 thing is a troll.

Ken Takahashi

bruh I'm just hating on Ulquiorra fans they still looking for a reason to prove he stronger than the other espada like Stark or Yammy. Look I don't like that Yammy was revealed to be 0 that was pretty stupid but there's nothing we can do about it. This debate has never ended mainly because Ulquiorra fans are mad about their favorite espada not being stronger than the other top espada. Kubo has said nothing more about the Espada ranking debate unless he changes his mind one day but the fact still remains Ulquiorra isn't stronger than Yammy or Stark.

Ken Lang

I think the reason why the debate is still there is because of the fact that Aizen didn't know about his 2nd release and I think it's safe to say Aizen is the one that ranked the espada since it is his group after all. So the point of speculation comes from the question, if Aizen knew about Ulquiorra's 2nd release, would he have ranked him higher than Yammy? And it's ok if fans see it that way. Maybe Kubo won't answer because he's fine leaving that interpretation up to us.

Ken Takahashi

come on man u really think aizen wouldn't know about ulquiorra's second release it's fucking aizen lmao there shouldn't be any speculation just read the manga and watch the anime it's pretty clear I don't think ulquiorra can go past stark or barragan

Venti Childe

Shunsui's character is kinda dark, as many things in Bleach