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TDP - 2x06 - Reaction (Patreon)

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2024-07-31 02:26:49
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jessie H

I think it’s a problem with Vimeo. It still isn’t working

Not-So-Average-Fangirl

So this is a re-uploaded version, but after checking my other links, I think there is an issue with Vimeo right now. So sorry for the inconvenience you guys! I will keep checking it and hope it gets fixed.

Iron117Prime

Since it seems to be happening with all your videos, it's most likely an issue on their end. Let's hope it gets fixed soon.

Ryan

Phoenix_mercury

It's the website not the app, open it in the app

jessie H

I don’t have the app. I keep making an account, and it doesn’t want it.

jessie H

I got the app. Cant find the video, or account. Says it doesn’t exist. I’m deleting it.

Nightowl

Too bad all the earlier comments have been removed by taking the previous post down!

Nightowl

“… the story shows … solving problems through violence only making things worse.”—That’s not really true, though. This very episode shows how through violence 100,000 lives were saved. The show addresses moral dilemmas and difficult choices without easy answers, and it’s better for it.

SauceyRed

Well, glad I had the tab open for the previous post, so I could repost my long comment: I'm so glad you caught that what Callum was saying to Ezran was what their father told Callum! Also, as the others have said, Viren's a "ends justifies the means" kind of person, a "pragmatist," as he called himself some episodes ago. His intentions *were* truthful and the events *did* happen as he described. He's a selfish, manipulative piece of shit, but there's usually at least some truth to what he says, and there were (imo) valid justifications for what he did, despite not liking it. It's a classic "sacrifice of the few for the survival of the many" situation. Harrow was the emotional and sentimental one, while Viren was the realistic and pragmatic one. Objectively speaking, sacrificing a rather small group of people, even if it included three queens, and even leaving behind the wounded (which *did* slow them down), while morally unappealing or downright awful, is a valid choice for the survival of 100.000 people. Obviously, his personality and the way he talks and behaves is shitty and very dislikable, but the logic behind it is sound. Not everything he does is "pure evil," some of it is very understandable, it's just his personality and behavior that coats those things in a layer of "this is cruel and evil." Had a different character, someone nicer and more empathetic and reasonable, done the same as Viren this episode, they probably would've been seen as tough choices instead. Also, the way Elijah feels and reacts to Viren was the way I felt and reacted to literally every antagonist in Korra. I had never genuinely hated any antagonists before the Korra ones, and have never since. Like seriously, I wanted them to get beat the shit out of them, shot, stabbed, whatever, every single time they showed up on screen.

SauceyRed

I’ll reupload the comments I have from other people later when I get home from work.

LikeCat

As of last season, Viren is justified in my eyes. (I never expected to say this about him but well here we are)

SauceyRed

Man I really need to catch up, I was following along until season 4 ended, then watched a few episodes of season 5 mid/late last year but didn’t continue it. I’m gonna binge some today.

Flufux

To repost my previous comment: I can save you the trouble and say that everything in Viren's story happened exactly as presented. Viren may be evil, but not everything he does or everything he's ever done is evil. Also, you might want to make a note of the name Harrow mentioned at the end: Aaravos, an elven wizard who mastered all six primal sources.

Catradora fan

Ooh I love that artwork on the Rayla poster 😍 knew that's how you'd react to the queens kissing 😅 see how easy it is to have queer rep?

Iron117Prime

You're right to be sus and distrustful of Viren, but this is exactly what happened. For once, he wasn't lying or putting his own spin on it. But yeah, he was using it as a means to his own end. And things are gonna get crazier with each new episode.

Joey Quixote

Amaya translation for this episode, pulled from the usual source. SCENE AFTER THE MAGMA TITAN‘S DEFEAT [Sarai rushes to Amaya & catches her before she falls to the ground.] A: “How do I look?”  [points at the new scar on her face]  {alternatively: “How does my face look?”} S: “Not great, but you should see the other guy.” - She would crack a joke after taking a beating! I don't know how you're learning, but maybe replaying these scenes and trying to sign along might help. For what it's worth, I don't think the queens are ever named in the series, but they appear in the credits. Annika has the black, white and gold motif. Neha with black, blue and gold. It's been my experience that the more someone tries to convince you they're a "nice guy", the more likely they aren't. There's certain buzzwords in online profiles which are an immediate red flag for me. Before I knew better (when I thought people used the phrase literally) I had "nice guy" in a few profiles. Then I met some "nice guys", saw how they behaved... Yeah, stopped calling myself that tout de suite. I'm not getting lumped in with that mess. Besides, I'm more of a Neutral Good anyways. I'm all for doing the right thing, but sometimes you gotta look out for yourself first. And sometimes you gotta be willing and able to get your hands dirty. Living by a code is fine until someone finds out how to use it against you. Not to conflate "nice" and "good". Two very different things. I just meandered from the nice guy discourse to alignment charts. I need to watch where I'm going. How'd I get here? Why are there towels?

SauceyRed

Comment by Álex Martínez in the original post: I think that the real problem with Viren is that he does have good intentions, and there is good in him, but everything he does becomes twisted, and he takes everything too far, he becomes too self absorbed and distant from everyone else, making him more cold, cruel and non empathetic (there's a reason for that, it's explained much later, but it has to do with dark magic)

SauceyRed

Comment by Zander Handler in the original post: I never thought I would be the one to defend Viren, but I will in this episode. He knew that without that heart, a hundred thousand people would die. Even if it cost three queens to get, a hundred thousand people's lives were saved by that spell. A hundred thousand. Even if you (rightly) disapprove of how he went about completing the spell, I feel like you have to acknowledge just how many people are still alive because of Virens plan.

SauceyRed

Reply by Poet: Right he's a horrible person but he did what he could in a bad situation there was no good choice they were willing to starve The kingdoms together and I hate defending him he's a manipulative low life with a some serious self esteem issues

SauceyRed

Comment by Jasmine King in the original post: 😉 buckle up buttercup!

Serinthia Kelberry

I know you'll miss the Queens, but it's entirely possible there may be more sapphic goodness in the future. You never know...

Connor Grynol

I don't think Elijah understands Viren's character. Viren is a narcissit, but he genuinely loves humanity. He loves humanity, not humans, so for him it's a numbers game. One titan and a handful of soldiers to save 100,000 people is, from a numbers standpoint, objectively a good deal. From Viren's perspective, if he were torn between saving 100,000 and 100 people, Viren would save the 100,000, even if his family were among those 100. And if he had to chose between killing 100 with his own hands, or letting 100,000 die, again, he would choose the former. For him, the trolley problem is not a problem at all. Viren is an egomaniac, believing he is the only one capable of saving humanity from Xiadia, which he believes threatens their existence. But he is also pragmatic. He saw that the wounded would slow their march, and he was correct. Viren's desire leave the wounded was his attempt to avoid confrontation with Thunder. His only irrational choice was when he turned back to try and help the queens. That was either born from a moment of egotism (believing he might actually be able to stop Thunder), a sense of responsibility, or he believed he might be able to obtain some powerful magic materials from a wounded storm dragon. I personally think it's the third option. I don't think Viren is arrogant enough to believe he could solo the king of dragons and I don't think he feels any obligation towards the queens. But I do think he might've been arrogant enough to believe he could get some dragon parts and run away.

graave

the death of the wueens stung, but dw! no spoilers but more gays get to kiss and live, so hold out!!

graave

queens** lol

ELS_Art

And king Harrow proves my point! There are good men out there. 🤣 I live for your reaction to W/W smooching. 🤭 Yeah Viren is a real POS! Also since he is a POS in the flashback it’s more than likely we as the audience saw what really went down and not a rose tinted version. Otherwise he would have made himself out to be the hero. My mom was a “nice girl” using her Christianity as a cover to her true side. My dad took care of her for years yet the second he needed her help she bailed on the both of us. Then on top of that she gaslighted friends and family against my dad. Ah wait till she finds about the real meaning behind the taffy hippo. 👀 I am gonna leave a playlist of your Dragon Prince reactions on loop cause honestly this show does deserve a lot more love.

StorytellerDave

Honestly Viren wasn't even really wrong with the initial plan of hunting the giant. He does all sorts of bad crap, but his initial plan wasn't bad, he clearly had good intentions. Anyone who says killing something to feed people is wrong, better be a vegan or they're hyprocritical asf, and I know the kingdom is not all vegan, in fact neither is Xadia, so they could do to get down their high horse about not killing creatures to eat, we do it all the time. Most people when made to choose between saving the life of one person or the lives of a hundred thousand, tend to go for the latter. Honestly if anything the queen was being hypocritical, because you KNOW that of the 100000 people who'd starve to death, her, her husband and her son wouldn't be among them. She's safe, her family is safe. It's easy for her to say, nah we don't need to do this, we don't need this easy fix to our food situation, it's not her family that's standing in line to die. The situation is a lot more complex than Elijah really gives it credit for.

StorytellerDave

Honestly it is easy for the Queen to say don't do this, it's not her family that's going to starve if they don't. I highly doubt she, her husband or her son would be in any danger. I honestly find her attitude very hypocritical. Besides, it's not like the kingdom is all vegans, we kill to eat all the time. It's not exactly abnormal and in fact Xadia aren't all vegans either, so they can get off their high horses too. I am pretty sure those dragons are chomping meat all the time too.

ELS_Art

I do agree with your statement and I do believe the situation is more nuanced. What Viren did was something that would and did save a lot of people and at the end of the day trading one Titan’s life, no matter how magical, was worth the sacrifice in the end. That doesn’t mean Viren is a good person, he is morally gray at best given his actions. I think what Elijah doesn’t see, and it’s not her fault it’s the fault of the shows writing is that the Elves and Dragons are not innocent in all this. I don’t really think they do a good enough job, Particularly in these earlier episodes, showing that the Elves and Dragons are no better than the humans with some of the stuff they have done. I mean hell, they sent assassins to kill a Kid and his father. You could say that was in response to what Viren and Harrow did but honestly it’s a constant cycle of revenge. One side does something the other side retaliates and then it just becomes a tit for tat situation. I think it’s easy for Elijah to paint all humans, particularly men, in a negative light based of Viren alone. However I feel that overshadows the fact that while morally wrong to go kill a Titan that also resulted in tens of thousands lives saved. A Person can take the moral high ground all they want and say “oh I wouldn’t sacrifice one life to save thousands.” But then what is more evil? Taking one life to save the group or letting the group die to save one life. It’s the classic “Train Track” dilemma. My final opinion is, was it wrong to kill the Titan? Yes. Was it worth the sacrifice of the Titan, Anya’s Mothers, and queen Sarai? Sadly… yes. The needs of the many at the end of the day outnumber those of the individual. Also Anya’s mother’s and Queen Sarai were not forced to be there and Viren did not kill them. They knew the risk when they went on that mission. Bottom line, neither side is good or bad they are both equally responsible for pain and tragedy but the show, at this point, only highlights one side of that story.

FanofFantasy

Viren reminds me so much of Doctor Emilia with all the saving humanity crap. I’m not sure which one I hate more!

StorytellerDave

I just thought about it, but, if the King was to tell everyone hey, 100.000 us will starve to death OR we kill a creature and use its heart with magic to feed everyone, what would the people choose? I am betting they'd go with Viren's plan 100% of the time. Like, maybe a handful people might object, but who'd actually volunteer to be one of the hundred thousand to die? Not many. I highly doubt even the queen would volunteer herself.

song sl

I totally agree. Viren’s character is far more complex than what it may seem to some (or in this case Elijah lol), but that’s because you need to really pay attention to little hints and nuances in his behavior and story. Also, it’s “easier” to see things like that and see Viren and humans as bad because they don’t really show how the elves and other creatures of Xadia are not as good as you think.. for one kicking out thousands, if not millions, of humans out of the magical lands and sending assassins to kill a kid.. But back to Viren, I honestly don’t think that Viren (at least at the beginning) was an all out bad man. I honestly think he wanted to help the queens without a hidden intent.. Viren is proud, narcissistic and an egomaniac, but he does love humans and humanity (as long as they don’t get in his way lol)

Historia-Europa

So I will say this about Harrow there is evidence to confirm his death. Rayla said they would only come off naturally with the death of the target, not their body but the target, that's the belief gathered from season one and not based off of anything future content or spoilers. Second the reason why they would not show his death is most likely for content rating, not wanting to make it unavailable to kids.

SauceyRed

Follow-up, I *did* catch up a week or two ago, and holy shit I’m so hyped for the next season and *more* hyped for Elijah’s reactions!