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SauceyRed

LET’S FUCKING GOOOO!!!

Kisuke01

This one of my favorite episodes cause of how dumb it is like I'm not even mad at Keyleth cause what dumbass walks up to a dragon who's sealed think he's gonna help you after you unseal him like she was sitting there with a I eat shit face 😂

Dreanner95

I know "work with the enemy" is a well worn trope but this is not just a story trope for Keyleth. They are literally working with the murderer of her people. And the rest of Vox Machina aren't even engaging with her worries. Instead they just brush her off.

ross lingard

raishan killed her people so it makes sense that she would act like that. I agree that see is acting irrationally but I would be too.

Dragon0921

1. You may recognize the little girl Raishan transformed into from the first episode of season 2, when Vox Machina escorted refugees from Amon. This was the moment Raishan infiltrated Whitestone. 2. One of Keyleth's most memorable moments in the campaign people were hoping for in the animated series is when she snaps at Raishan, who constantly referred to her as "child", shouting, "Call me child ONE MORE GODS DAMN TIME!" Apparently, Marisha recorded the line for the animated series and did an amazing job with it, but the scene it was a part of was ultimately cut. 😭 3. Grog's title in the campaign is "Grand Poobah de Doink of All This and That". A title granted to him by Percy in exchange for some materials. 4. The vision Vax has during his kiss with Keyleth is referring to something about HER specifically, which we will get some details on in the future. 🔎👀 5. The Sun Tree responded to Keyleth saying, "Alright alright alright." This references the campaign where Keyleth can actually have a conversation with the Sun Tree, who has a very laid-back personality. Often responding with "Heeeey Kiki." and "Alright alright alright." 6. The G stood for "Gilmore". lol 7. Stausman is referring to a competitive winery company against Marisha's campaign 2 character. A very hilarious story told in one of their side projects "Narrative Telephone", in which one person tells a story, then another person has to retell it from memory, then another person retells THAT version from memory and so on and so forth! 8. In the original campaign, the favor Scanlan asked Vex was that whenever she rides her broom, she is required to wear a "witches' hat" that he purchased for her. 9. The reason Percy is freaking out so much is because there shouldn't BE another Pepperbox. He created the weapon so he should have the only one.

Rye-Ah

Ah, so 'spice' is a quick nod to some stuff from the campaign. Without revealing too much for the sake of spoilers - Scanlan went around 'subtly' asking people "Spice? Do you spice? You spice it? Spice???" until it became a popular callback and recurring joke

Rando

I know it was for the sake of the plot but what a waste of a favor lol. And he HAD to go find his daughter right then?!

David Johnson

"How badass would it be to come in riding on a dragon?" I think Grog is rubbing off on Pike...

SauceyRed

Did she miss both farts from the spice guy? lmao

Chris (darkwater)

I see people often comment that they don't like that writing or don't like Kiki because she's being "irrational" with the situation but... why can't characters be flawed? That's good writing, otherwise it would be lazy writing and actually counter to her character to date.

L Frances

She is right, there is something off about the audio here. The music feels suppressed and off-balance, so it's not the show, probably just the audio file. With Keyleth, it is a very reasonable stance. If somebody was responsible for the genocide of your people & had no concerns until it didn't work out for them, it wouldn't matter what they promised. You'd never trust them, and it would be insulting if it seemed all your friends weren't bothered by it. It's a delicate thing.

og.monstr

Keep this in mind: don't be so quick to judge Keyleth as 'irrational'. I did, and in hindsight, I've come to regret it.

ross lingard

I didn't mean that as a negative just because i said that. i love keyleth as a character that doesn't mean she has no flaws. all of the character have flaws that is what makes vox machina great.

Jessica V

The original favor was Vex had to wear a witches hat whenever she used the broom. This is a better use of the favor plot wise

Eliteguard99

FYI the reason Keyleth outlives the rest of Vox Machina is because once a Druid reaches 20th level their lifespan multiplied by 10. So Keyleth, Vax, and Vex for example are Half-Elves so their maximum lifespan is typically 250 years old. But Keyleth will live to be around 2500 years old due to her Druid class. Imagine living today and also being around for the fall of the Roman Empire which was like 1500 years ago.

Dragon0921

Specifically, their aging slows by 1/10. So after 50 years, Keyleth would have only aged physically by 5 years. Is it 250 or 170? I read Half Elves lifespan is about 170 so I always assumed Keyleth could live to around 1500 (not counting the first 20 something years being extended before becoming VotT)

Suplee215

I think part of this writing is they do a good job at having Raishan present her argument and lessen her crimes. She showed up in episode 2 as the eye who keyleth saw in the blue dragon's lair. She also attacked them in season 2 along with the others and killed the king and others. The biggest thing is Raishan just describes going into the fire plane. But she leaves out the detail Keyleth knows that Raishan pretended to be an ashari and then broke in. The leader of the fire ashari said they were betrayed by one of their own and be careful. Yes she does seem to have useful info and be against thordak and seems like an ally. But she was more active in the show and stuff then she's trying to present. Not in a spoiler way. The text up to this point paints a different picture possibly.

ELS_Art

Okay, without spoiling, as a Critter since campaign one I will note Season three of “The Legend of Vox Machina” does diverge from events in the campaign. Some elements are the same, some are completely original to the animated series. I will say I personally think a lot of these changes were for the better. So please people when you comment take into consideration just because something didn’t happen the same in the show does not mean to spoil what happened in the Live Play Game. It would be nice if at the end of this season Elijah could watch the comparison videos of Game to Screen, honestly think she would enjoy it and it would make excellent reacting material before season four.

Ryan

This season is full of grand reveals...

Ferret

Nah, Pike's always been this way. They're best friends because they match each others' energy.

Ferret

It's also perfectly rational. It's not just that Raishan is part of the Conclave, or that she was responsible for the attack on Pyra, or that she killed Uriel. Her title is literally the Diseased Deceiver. Lying and manipulation are her MO. Her information has panned out so far, and working with her is the right call, but they should at least be acknowledging Keyleth's concerns, and absolutely not trusting her.

ross lingard

was not saying keyleth was wrong. just that she's letting her emotions control her and to be fair I also said I don't know if I wouldn't act the same way as keyleth in this situation

Bryan Forquer

Next few episodes are gonna be really good!! Can't wait for the next reaction!

Toamsz Kozak

Am I the only one who was kinda annoyed with Elijah response to Keyleth? Like Raishan is literally Keyleth's Delilah ,she was responsible for genocide of one of her Ashari tribes ,the people that one day she is supposed to lead and protect ,asking Keyleth to work with Raishan is literally like asking Percy to work with the Briarwoods, so I don't understand why Elijah was ok with how Percy was in season 1 and is annoyed with Keyleth here, also Raishan's title is literally Diseased Deceiver like how can you trust someone like that?

Mike Webb

Yeah this would legit be like "hey Percy, work with the Briarwoods for a bit to help us ok?" and people honestly not understanding how he couldnt possibly conceive of doing that

Mike Webb

Within the community it's kind of a very well known thing that Marisha/Keyleth get VASTLY more hate than every single other player/character, and then Laura, and then Ashley (I wonder why hmmm). This would be the same as asking Percy to work with the Briarwoods and then brushing off why he might not be so keen to do so.

Mike Webb

It makes it harder for a non game viewer to really comprehend just how awful and bad Raishan was before this. And leads to reactions like Elijah's that only have part of the story. (Not at Elijah) general ignorance of nuance and flawed characters is a massive reason why Marisha gets more hate than everybody else because she doesn't typically play joke/meme characters, or mostly one sided ones.

Suplee215

Yea but I also think that's part of the oont of the changes they made and it works well. I think the biggest issue that may have made fans somewhat one sided against keyleth in this (thankfully the hate keyleth got was nowhere close to what marisha got during the campaign) is that the fact that Raishan infiltrated and betrayed the fire ashari is easy to forget and not fully explained. That said, if it was just thordak getting free and doing what he wants then raishan might have not intended it. Also just hard time talk about with trying not to say which direction the show goes

ross lingard

yeah Percy was letting his emotions control him

LikeCat

I think Elijah's ,,problem" is that Kiki was been (so far) not acting like this and it is a big shift on how she usually acts in any situation. (Understandable, but different to her Season 1/2 would be response - Also she has come a LONG way from where she was back then)

LikeCat

I am currently watching C2 and sometimes read comments under videos and find out that people hate/ get annoyed with Marisha's C2 character... I mean yeah her character is different from Kiki and can have friction in between different members of that group, but she isn't annoying in that way that it is like bad role-playing (to me at least)

Eliteguard99

I'll be honest it's been a while since I read that part of the PHB, maybe it is 170ish, this is what happens when you stick to home rules for so long lol. Regardless living to be 1700 years old is a VERY long time and certainly longer than a full-blooded elf.

Suplee215

Marisha was the target of a lot of misgony in c1 and it bled to c2. Sadly it was just a kot of bad faith stuff.

Bug Catcher Jacky

I think the difference is that Vox Machina were never offered help from Delilah or needed it to destroy an even bigger threat. If Raishan was clearly the season's main antagonist the way Delilah was then Elijah wouldn't consider trusting her either. It's always situational. Their current situation demands them to listen to Raishan as they are powerless against Thordak. That same thing never happened with Delilah (but they did need Ripley for a while and Elijah was okay with that as well)

L Frances

I mean, I think it's unfair to say annoyance. I was a tad bothered by how intense the reaction was. It's fair for her to want characters to keep things in perspective, but it can hurt if it feels like someone's saying characters shouldn't be feeling this way. I also just think S3 is just the most tense season of the show, and it can be tough to adjust to how much distrust - within and outside the group - there is in this season. It's a different beast, so I don't really fault Elijah, especially when parts of Keyleth's perspective (especially with her Aramente) don't become totally clear till later. And, end of the day, it's her reaction. I wanna see her go on this ride, wherever it leads.