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In the final 24 debrief, let's talk about how the specter of losing the Vietnam War weighs heavily in American acceptance and pride in torture depictions.

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Craig H

I did not know that the whole MIA thing is a scam - though I can't say I'm surprised. As a child of the 70s/80s I can tell you that in addition to those movies you mentioned - which were wildly popular BTW despite their obvious ridiculousness - the news media and politicians of the time took it very seriously, so any voices claiming it was illegitimate were routinely shouted down and memory-holed. As you might imagine, at the time I was not yet very news savvy so wasn't inclined to heed any naysayers, plus it seemed like another niche concern that was wildly overblown during the Reagan years to drum up "patriotic" fervor, mostly for exactly the reasons you outline in this debrief. We didn't get much in the way of credible reporting that wasn't obvious propaganda during "Desert Storm", which was over so quickly anyway that there didn't seem much opportunity for anything outside of your "standard" war atrocities (one of the ones that did get through was the egregious bombing and strafing of both civilian caravans trying to flee and of defeated Iraqi columns in retreat). We certainly never heard of or would've expected anything during "Desert Storm" along the lines of Abu Ghraib during the CheneyCo war-crime adventure, though by then those kinds of atrocities were both predicted and expected (though what was *not* expected was Obama's acceptance and continuation of it, yet another log on the bonfire of his own criminal administration). It's interesting to see the "War on Terror™" atrocities tied to Vietnam, which in the minds of my generation at least was ancient history, though I guess even at the time we could see that the aged cretins who forced the Iraq2 invasion on us were still reliving it.

CassieWasRight

6:00 in other words, "Release the hostages"