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A lil "skin tag" of a conversation where we explore a few more ideas coming out of our most recent episode on Todd Hayne's 'SAFE' featuring Catherine Liu. Catherine's book, 'Virtue Hoarders: The Case Against the Professional Managerial Class', provides such ripe territory for analysis by which we can understand our current moment (and many preceding), we couldn't contain our conversation about it and the movie to one episode. 

You can find her book here: https://www.upress.umn.edu/book-division/books/virtue-hoarders 

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