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[NEW VIDEO] JRE Breakdown: Vegan vs. Omnivore (Patreon)

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Vegan vs. Omnivore: The Debate (Breakdown of Kahn & Kresser)

First 200 people to use this link https://brilliant.org/WIL/ can get 20% off an annual premium subscription to Brilliant! ▲Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/WILearned ▲Twitter: https://twitter.com/jeverettlearned This is a breakdown of the Joe Rogan Experience #1175 with Chris Kresser and Dr. Joel Kahn. Kahn represents the plant based vegan side whereas Kresser represents the (mostly) plant based omnivore or "nutrivore" side. The topics we'll look at in this breakdown are: ・The worth of Epidemiology studies ・Vegetables counteracting the supposed bad effects of meat ・Does saturated fat cause heart disease? ・Why sugar & Saturated fat together is particularly bad ・Does meat cause you to age faster? mTOR, methionine, Homocysteine ・Does meat or fish via TMAO promote heart disease? ・Nutrient density of meat ・Vitamin deficiencies in vegans ・Whether people should rely on supplements ・Brief commentary on the Carnivore Diet For Business inquiries: joseph.everett.wil@gmail.com

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Anonymous

Hi Joseph, Thanks for sharing that information! I had never seen those studies before. Since the kidneys are responsible for blood pressure control it has always struck me as contradictory that while the recommendation to fix blood pressure is to increase potassium (and decrease sodium intake), the direction I hear doctors give to patients with advanced renal failure is to decrease potassium, decrease salt, and decrease protein. With all this decreasing it basically sounds like a treatment to a terminal disease. If true then it seems that an excess of any of these is bad in the first place - I can kind of understand the logic of limiting protein with high phosphorus - but not so much regarding potassium and salt - especially in regards to Potassium when I often hear pretty much everywhere to increase Potassium as much as possible. Also, considering it is possible to actually improve GFR through diet - it is not clear to me if an “already damaged” kidney is actually completely non-reversible - (despite I think the general consensus is that it is). I have seen this personally in my GFR value with it going up after diet changes, and the ncbi link you provided shows this as well - “Interestingly, a significant proportion of MCKD patients reported a full recovery (eGFR ≥ 90 mL/min/1.73m2) of kidney function at the end of the dietary intervention, suggesting that not only is VLCKD an effective and safe weight loss tool in MCKD patients with obesity, but that it also could help ameliorate renal function.” So overall, I have this feeling there are some missing pieces or perhaps unintended mis-information in the established guidance regarding kidney care. Regarding Keto and impact to kidneys here is a link to a site which asserted that Keto is not good for kidney health (kidney stones)-> https://www.thekidneydietitian.org/keto-kidney-stones/ . (There are no directly cited sources of the info presented there, there are no timestamps on the blog posts, and a bunch of affiliate links which I find not reassuring. Anyway, it was just a site I found when casually researching this.) Regarding that AHA link, that’s quite interesting - It seems that increasing protein increases size and filtration, in their findings. Also from the nbci link you shared, I found this interesting too - “Recent evidence suggests that the impact of dietary protein on renal function may depend on the protein source, with red meat intake being harmful in a dose dependent manner, and other protein sources such as poultry, fish, egg and dairies not showing such a deleterious effect [32]. Moreover, studies assessing plant-based protein sources (soy and vegetable derived) seem to show that these might even play a renoprotective role [33,34].” Personally, hence my interest in the subject, I had a substandard GRF and High Blood Pressure in my health check early this year(despite having around 13% of fat and “internal age” of 26), so I have been researching this topic a lot since then. Interestingly, my wife which I have lived and pretty much ate the same things with for over 15 years has super perfect blood pressure. I suppose genetics could play a factor, however still I have found it bewildering. There is one very clear difference in her diet and mine though. She routinely drinks a moderate volume of alcohol and coffee. So I have a theory that the coffee is providing some protective effects to the kidneys, and based on various sources online asserting the protective properties of coffee. I have been trying some (decaf) coffee recently to see if there is any improvement in my blood pressure. However it is too early to tell if there is an improvement - also she has several decades on me so I suppose it won’t be that easy to catch up. lol Outside of this, I have found exercise to be effective in lowering blood pressure. So I will continue on this (and coffee) and carefully consider the kinds proteins I eat. I’ll stop here for now. Thanks again for sharing this info and also investigating, producing, and sharing your awesome video content. I know it must take quite a lot of time and effort, and it is definitely appreciated. I’ll be sure to share with you too here, if I find any interesting findings in my own investigations. Ryan