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Doctor Who 8x4 FULL LENGTH Reaction | Listen (Patreon)

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Luka Poser

I've been looking forward to this :)

Nathan Jasper

Sometimes when we're upset with ourselves we lash out at the people closest to us. Fear of change, fear of not being accepted, fear of being lost, all are such powerful hinderances and motivators both. Absolutely loved seeing Clara being more assertive toward The Doctor 😆 SIT! haha

Cross Hatched95

Genuinely one of my favourite episodes and it only gets better on every watch. This was the episode that made me start liking Capaldi ❤️ Also the episode that made Clara one of the best companions ❤️

Frank (MetronV) Izzy

"Is it a dream" Damnit. I have to drink now and I just woke up. :(

TGrimace

I'm not sure this Doctor is 'cruel'. He's cold. He's direct. He doesn't tell people pleasant lies to make them feel safe when they're not. Like he said in this episode "People don't need to be told lies". But cruel? I don't think he's cruel, I think he's just no good at comforting people, and not very tolerant of people he sees as less intelligent than him (everyone). My way of looking at this episode is that The Doctor has a recurring nightmare of something from under the bed grabbing him. He's the Doctor, so he wants to find out what it is. He comes up with a whole 'undetectable creatures' theory and decides to investigate. Starts with trying to see someone else when they've had this nightmare (Clara), but that goes wrong when she's distracted with thoughts of Danny, and they go to his childhood. He decided to go the other direction, to the last creature in existence. Turns out to be a Pink. Shenanigans happen, Clara starts up the Tardis while the Doctor is unconscious. Turns out he has the dream because Clara grabbed his ankle when he was a kid.

Purple Dragon Knight

If it helps, this is Clara's show now. The Doctor is the companion. And just like any companion, they become better people just traveling together. This is a journey and it is so rewarding. Great reactions, as always! Thank you

Fr. Brench

This is such an interesting episode... a very cerebral kind of story which refuses to explain itself in simple terms. I feel like this kind of story wouldn't have worked as well with the previous two Doctors.

Jamiee

I think the comments about Clara are moffats attempts at being funny, he's doing a Strax with his "boy" comments etc, but in doctor mode, imo it's a bit cringe and doesn't really contextually work, like he's trying to make him seem alien and like he's not really familiar, but it just doesn't line up, I don't think as a character he is being cruel, as the intent is that he genuinely can't tell , but it doesn't make a drop of sense

Rach

I'm afraid the struggle bus is likely to get worse before it gets better! (But it will!) Fair point you make about the rude comments on Clara's appearance, I know 11 made them too at one point but with 12 it's way more frequent and it's a bit unneccecary. I think Moffats intent was probably humor or to show that the Doctor doesn't have a concept of attractiveness any more but you're right, it doesn't work. It's like he heard the complaints about objectifying companions and said "fine, I'll have him call them ugly instead" as a wild overcorrection.

MaxValPlatt

Yeah. It is Clara's show now. I remember when I was watching it live, I didn't really like it. I was generally ok with doctor being autistic now, cuz my wife is AuDHD, and I am as socially awkward as this Doctor had been, so, I was more like - finally, autistic Doctor! Representation!!!

Alkaris

Bird dream! j/k Bringing back the dreams with fear is probably one of the slightly better episodes of Season 8, but I think you're going to love the next episode even more, and I look forward to seeing your reaction to that.

Merlin’s Cat

I loved this episode when it first came out. Even though some things don’t really make a lot of sense, it has a great atmosphere. I’m glad you are sticking with it, a lot of people bailed at this point which I think is a great shame.

vaughn DeGeer

Every doctor from the beginning of the regeneration concept goes through a period of adjustment. The sixth doctor happened at a time when executives at the bbc were actively sabotaging the show, the producer they had made things difficult for the writers and actors so don’t let that put you off dipping your toe into classic who. Just watch one story from each doctor them more if you feel like it, never feel you have to watch it all. Capaldi elevated the writing so well in his time, they all did, his was the most serious of the modern doctors

Sloane Lysbeth

it's been a long time since i've seen 8. the doctor is rough in this season. it's weird how id forgotten just how off he is. i don't think it's unfair when ppl criticise it.

dean worrall

so canonically then, that's Me outside the door?

Jay sanchez

funny enough its explained in a audio dramas whos really knocking on the door and youre gonna find it hilarious

Tommy

The Doctor is an alien so this incarnation doesn't have a filter. I see him as more autistic than intending to be mean and rude. As someone on the spectrum myself, I relate to him. Social interactions can be hard. Its not intended to be mean, you just don't know how to say things or what tone to say them in etc. You will end up loving him eventually though. I'm certain.

Ben

Tbf the doctor wasn't being mean by shouting at Clara, he was trying to protect her as he was doing something incredibly dangerous and he had already asked her twice nicely.

Literaltruth

I've always thought that a lot of the time various incarnations of the Doctor have shown signs of being neurodivergent. I feel like Matt's Doctor in particular was very ADHD - constantly distracted, able to recognise patterns very well without realising, not really deciding what to do until it's crisis time, losing his train of thought all the time. Peter's Doctor is more like someone on the autism spectrum. He can't stand to be touched and gets very highly focussed on his interests like in this episode (and you'll certainly see him get extrememly focussed on certain things in the future and take up new special interests). He wants to be kind and worries that he doesn't come accross that way. He's not good at reading social cues, tone or expressions and is very direct and literal. He's fiercely loyal - and you'll see later that he's more loyal to Clara than almost any Doctor has ever been to any companion - but he doesn't really get social niceties and worries constantly that it makes him a bad person. I really think Clara, as a teacher, shows a really deft touch as a neurotypical person helping an autistic person navigate a world that isn't designed for people with autism - and it becomes even more explicit that's her role in later episodes.

Cei Stockport

Being 'nice' and being 'kind' are very different different things. 10 and 11 usually got the 'nice' part but sometimes were outright vindictive. 12 does his best to be kind but usually fail's in disaster at being 'nice'.

TGrimace

Absolutely. 12 is kind. 12 is not nice. He also knows this. I think that's why he keeps wondering if he's a good man or not.

Michael Jones

I genuinely love this episode. The Timey-Wimeyness of it doesn't make as much sense as Moffat's usual byzantine plotting, and even this far removed from the episode, it still doesn't. But, I love the scene with Rupert. I love how creepy it is with the thing on the bed, that in hindsight is probably just a very confused and creeped out child. The scene with Clara in the barn with the child Doctor is amazing too. It adds some extra context to the Doctor returning there when he was planning to end the Time War. Like he was seeking that strength and comfort from his childhood. It's one of my favorites.

Johnny Guitar

Ultimately TV, like all art, is subjective so we're all going to have our own opinions and interpretations, but I'd argue Twelve isn't cruel. Cruelty suggests malice and the intent to hurt, and I don't think that's the case. He's just been through a loooot of trauma, is now incredibly jaded, and so drops the social niceties that the Eleventh doctor used as armour. He says the quiet part out loud. All this hurt, loss and trauma has worn down his patience - leading him to approach things bluntly, even if the truth can be hurtful to some, or cold. As for his comments on Clara's appearance, again I don't think there's any intention to actually hurt her feelings. The joke is that he's just utterly socially unaware that you don't say those things in conversation. Like a lot of people have said in the comments, it's no different to Strax. The Doctor isn't making digs at Clara, he's an alien with no understanding of social niceties and so thinks those things are normal to say. And then the second layer of the joke is that Jenna Coleman is objectively gorgeous, but as an alien Twelve has no concept of what is attractive as a human. Again, just some food for though. Either way still loving your reactions, and your feelings are still very much valid regardless :)

Lintrinsic

I agree with a lot of the comments here. The 12th Doctor isn't cruel, oblivious, forthright, distracted with things other than civil niceties perhaps, but not cruel.

John

I can say the Doctor isn't being cruel, but why veers into spoiler territory. Suffice it to say the Doctor's character arc deals with this.

John

"That egg that we need to break into..." Yes. That. Exactly that.

Ejigantor

I really like the episode. The emotions of it are quite well done. I always think of it as a time loop. Clara hid under the bed and grabbed his leg, and so eons later when it is now he's investigating it because he remembers the dream feeling more real than a normal dream, thus leading to the events of the episode. The Pink of the thing is that he called her. She was thinking about when she had had that dream in her childhood, and then her phone rang and she thought of him so the TARDIS targeted the moment in his childhood when he had the dream instead of Clara's. But the thing that really knots my noddle is that Clara walked back into the restaurant almost as soon as she walked out of it, and so never went on to make that call. So all of the events that unfolded took place because of a phone call that no longer happened - but I can't help but wonder if he left her a voicemail, an echo of an altered timeline that no longer is.

DSJ.

Capaldi and Coleman have incredible chemistry, possibly the best of any Doctor/Companion pairing.

DSJ.

Well, yeah, but it's also bantering. They both insult each other a LOT. Which is the mark of true friendship. Even if neither of them realises it in the moment.

DSJ.

Nah, it's an equal partnership. 'What if the Doctor and the Companion were both bad for each other?' is the vibe.

DSJ.

This is an episode about the Doctor's mindset. And possibly even Clara's. Yes, you're right, Clara is now a full-fledged character, unlike with 11, where she was mostly just a plot device. This is when Doctor Who gets psychology, for better or for worse.

John

Clara Oswin Oswald. She's the impossible girl. She was born to save the Doctor. Did you think she was done saving him? For me, this brings the Doctor full circle. With Eleven, the Doctor was running around like a little boy running loose, but every once in a while you caught a glimpse of the ancient Time Lord he was hiding. With Twelve, the Doctor is running around as an ancient Time Lord, but every once in a while, you catch a glimpse of the scared little boy he is hiding.

Martin

Other Doctors shouted at companions or characters, it just maybe comes across harsher in Capaldi's Scottish brouge lol But he isn't the first one to do that. He's not being horrible to Clara, direct maybe but not mean or cruel, that's just how Peter is lol I think it may just take you a bit to get used to that side of things but he's never purposely being mean to Clara. Excellent episode. Watched a whole bunch of different people on this episode and everyone loves it too, just Moffett out there doing Moffett things and bringing joy to the Whoniverse. The Doctor is obsessed by the dream he had but actually is real and began because of Clara, meeting the Pink's throughout time and a such a badass cold open... Listen!

Martin

He's not rough at all. I understand people aren't used to his style post Matt Smith potentially, but rough isn't it.

Ash Davis

I remember reading somewhere once that the Doctor sees Clara now as someone who is a lot older than she looks, because he sees her as the accumulation of all the lives she lived as all the splinter Clara’s after she stepped into the Doctor’s time stream. To him, he sees her as someone as old and crotchety and grumpy as he is.

Nicholas Sulikowski

I will say this about the Twelfth Doctor. Despite him being cold and cantankerous at times, he was very kind to kid Danny. He was very good with him. Telling him that fear is a superpower. The Doctor should always be kind to kids. Which really goes all the way back to the First Doctor. Something emphasized in the docudrama An Adventure in Space and Time. That's his greatest superpower: he will never let the kids come to harm. He can't bear to hear them scream. Not here, nor in "The Beast Below", and certainly not in "The Day of the Doctor" when he had a chance the change the outcome of the war.

CrutchPunk

This is Capaldi's Blink. UGH, IT'S SO GOOOOD.

Brian

The Ninth Doctor: A bit alien, can be quite rude with humans he deems “apes”, PTSD thinking he committed genocide against both his own species and the Daleks. Rose helps. The Tenth Doctor: No more second chances. Can turn dark on a dime and needs a companion to help keep him even keel. But the most “human” of all the Doctors, thanks to Rose. The Eleventh Doctor: Hides his darkness better but when it comes out, RUN. Uses humor and clumsiness to hide that. Still a bit human but quirky, thank you Amy and Rory and River. Twelfth Doctor: Just came out a 1,000 year war over his Name. Traumatic regeneration thanks to the Time Lords gifting him a full new set of regenerations (13) which cause a very fast regeneration, causing more confusion the normal regenerations. Is not sure he is a “good man” or not after Trenzalore. The most alien Doctor since the Fourth. He has quite the path ahead of him to learn who he really is. I will bet all my Doctor Who collectibles (I have a hand made TARDIS I keep my Doctor Who DVD’s and Blu rays in, along with every Star Trek show and movie and all different Sherlock’s and Battlestar Galactica) at the end of Twelve’s run you will see him right up there with Chris, David and Matt. His first season is just difficult because he is acting so different than the 3 versions before him. Sometimes, change is hard and takes more time than we want but when that change comes, oh it is so worth it.

Brian

Remember from the 50th anniversary episode, the Doctors said "Never cruel or cowardly. Never give up, never give in”. In a way, it was Clara who put that in his mind as a child. And Dan the Soldier without a gun, like how the Doctor never carries a weapon. And how Danny took his name from that little soldier and became one himself. There are layers in this episode and seeds planted for what’s coming.

Mimi

I've always just assumed that he made that phone call sometime after he left the restaurant when Clara had been there the second time. We just don't see that part at the start of the episode, but enough time had passed for that to have happened when Clara got that phone call.

Matthew Case

I had never ever seen 12 as cold or cruel. I absolutely love his bluntness and directness. I do personally find it funny and I think his and Clara’s relationship is far better than 11 and Clara’s.

ZapWing

The Doctor was trying to protect Clara. After all, Eleven told her that he has a duty of care with her. She questioned him twice when there was an clear and apparent danger.

ZapWing

Well in 12's case, he is coming off the heels of the Trenzalore. He did just spend hundreds of years fighting off bad guys to protect the universe and the Timelords he once thought (or still does believe) that he murdered. He has some serious PTSD from last few of 11's episodes. So yeah, he has re-opened wounds of the Time War and the Daleks. So yeah, he is a bit crass and grumpy. The madness of being alone, I think, is good for 12. It's giving him time to explore his thoughts in the safest space he can, free of any and all judgement. And knowing that the TARDIS can understand him, he's able to have that back and forth conversation with her to allow a sort of "therapy" to happen. He's processing the PTSD and I think by helping others and allowing his actions to mold him into his desire of being a "good man," he can feel like his past doesn't define him.

Kevin (GiantFutures.com)

There is a lot going on…in this season, in this episode. I do hope you’ll share your thoughts once you look back on this episode with the context of all to come. But if I may offer one thing…I know you’re looking hard to find the Doctor in all of this. But this season, really more than any other season, is about two different people journeying and changing. Both The Doctor and Clara went through their own traumas at the end of last season coming into this one. The Doctor is questioning who he is, after having his deepest truth that he thought he knew starting back with Eccleston’s #9 being changed. Clearer than ever, he remembers the soldier he was, and the moment he stopped being one…but he still was one for a long time. But also Clara, the Impossible Girl, had her mystery solved and her fates distributed. So…who is she now? She saved the Doctor…so what does that leave her to be? Is she someone outside of the Doctor? Or will she always be the Monster under His Bed? This episode isn’t an episode for answers. How it made you feel is more important. (That said, your “T-T-TIMELORD?” was absolutely perfect. I assure you, I stuttered in my mind when I watched this too.)

Lintrinsic

It's important to note, the Doctor isn't just reeling from the events of Trenzalore, right before that he had to face up and accept all he did as the War Doctor, an incarnation he was so ashamed of he blotted him out. He found himself back inside the time war itself. I also think there's a different perception with Capaldi. For some reason the dialogue lands differently for some viewers, but I don't think the dialogue is that different, aside for the humour being a little more acid. 9 went completely off on one to Rose during Father's day (when she did something it was bloody obvious she was going to do), 11 lost his shit with Amy in the Beast Below (over something she didn't even remember doing), 10 tortured the family of blood for all eternity and went all Timelord Victorious, but 12 is "mean" for shouting a safety instruction the third time he asked? The poking fun at her physical appearance stuff isn't really that. This Doctor is at the extreme end of oblivious bloke, and Clara is bantering back. It's a bit like 10 dipping his fingers in a jar in someone's kitchen in Fear her, and Rose signalling it's a social faux pas. 11 being extra polite and kissing people on the cheek to overcompensate and dancing with the men at Amy & Rory's wedding because he doesn't always get human social niceties. 12 expresses that awkwardness in another different way. I once had a friend tell me "you look fine" on the way out of the dentist when I asked because large areas were completely numb. When I eventually caught sight of my reflection I resembled Sloth from the Goonies. When challenged he reiterated that I looked fine and should stop fussing. Maybe it's a British humour thing. My Mum once asked if I intended to do my hair after I spent over an hour getting ready to go out and my hair was an 80's masterpiece of gel and mousse. I didn't see it as hurtful, I found it funny.

Carl Wilson

I do think it's funny sometimes, a bit like Strax not understanding what gender anyone is, but you're right that it's way overdone.

Carl Wilson

It's fine if you don't feel that but lots of people did and do.

Carl Wilson

This is one of those episodes where there's a genuinely confusing cyclical thing - that the Doctor has a kind of compulsion to explore something, and we don't find out till the end that it's because the "dream" he's fascinated by actually happened, at a very frightened time in his life, but how does he have that memory before this story happens and how does that work? Moffat as a writer/showrunner is a little too fond of creating unsolvable puzzles in general, I think. I do think the way we see the Doctor with child Danny/Rupert is a nicer side of him, no? But you got the most important part, which is that Clara sees in this episode that part of what's wrong with 12 is that he's afraid and defensive, and that she can help him with that. I think that's a step forward.

Mimi

11 also shouted at Amy to make HER go back to the Tardis in Vampires of Venice! I think with Peter, he's just got a sterner face as 12, compared with some of the more smiley doctors, and combined with his super dry humour and delivery he seems to come across to some people as meaner than he's really being!

Mimi

I don't know if this helps at all, but while I do think there are actually in-story reasons for the comments 12 makes about Clara, which people have mentioned on here (obliviousness, social awkwardness, banter, denial of his feelings for her, etc), it is also unfortunately very much a Moffat thing - he frequently makes fun of the actors' and characters' appearances in his scripts. There were LOTS of comments about 11's chin and Rory's nose, 11 made many comments about Amy's size in Amy's Choice and he told Clara she was too short and bossy and her nose was funny! There have also been been quite a few about 12 himself, like comments about his grey hair and having a cross face with his attack eyebrows that would take bottle tops off, Robin Hood called him a desiccated man crone, and Clara called him a grey-haired stick insect! I think unfortunately 12's comments seem to come across as meaner to some people than he actually means them, and meaner than other characters' comments, maybe because of his overall demeanour? It was also written over 12 years ago now and I think things are very different now in terms of what we consider appropriate to make jokes about, so I think it does hit a bit differently these days. I'd certainly hope that he wouldn't write things like this now!!

Peter Powis

Although never fully understanding this episode, i feel it doesn't matter! I love the mystery. BUT this is such a BEAUTIFUL episode! I actually think of it as a masterpiece of writing! I know it doesn't quite hit with everyone, but that's ok. Dr Who was and still is classed as a children's tv series, but I feel this was much more of an adult episode in that you need to be an adult to fully appreciate what the Doctor is saying.

Peter Powis

yes that's exactly the point! Also, in general, 12 isn't mean, he's scared and is lashing out. This is what the episode highlights! I love that!

Peter Powis

yes, i agree. it's bantering! 12 cares deeply about Clara, even if he would never say it! also Moffatt is showcasing Capaldi's Scottish persona, which can be caustic and seem unnecessarily rude

Peter Powis

i agree! as much as I love Matt, he never gelled as well with Clara as Peter does, especially as time goes on. Matt was perfect though with Amy

Peter Powis

oh that's a brilliant observation!!

Peter Powis

almost autisitc i'd say. i'm autistic so i understand that . I often relate facts to people, in my own little world, and people just don't seem to appreciate it, maybe they're hurt or annoyed by my clinical directness, but I don't always pick up on it

Peter Powis

i agree, he's not rough but he's so different to Matt, who was so lovable that's it's kind of a shock at first. But I think that's the point. A new Doctor with a new personality is just what the show needed.

Sloane Lysbeth

he is rough. i understand the character arc. i just think moffat made him too cold and distant. it doesn't have anything to do with matt. they made the character too unlikable at the start. there's a reason a lot of ppl switched off at this point and isn't simply bcos they wanted more matt. moffat could have had this character arc but given the audience things to cling on to. his failure to do that causes problems in this season.

Paulo

First fuck you Stephen Moffett for making me feel all the emotions, second I didn’t remember this episode i didn’t know it was going to scary especially because it was about fear. I think this episode in my opinion it supposed to be about the human side of the show fear is there and it will always be there but it’s not a bad thing it’s a super power and with great power comes great responsibility like to be kind when you are scared because the thing or being you are scared of could be scared of you, again my opinion also I think this episode might be a set up episode I haven’t watched this about 2 years probably more i don’t remember but that’s the feel I got from this episode.

Luka Poser

One of my faves! I could gush about it for hours. My partner and I just sat in a sort of stunned silence when it first ended. It's about so much but i think the key it exposes is that the Doctor is always scared, and for the first time in a long time he's an incarnation that is bad at hiding it. And his way of dealing with it is a need for certainty: Certainty that there is a moral order to the universe so that there is a definitive way to be "a good man". Certainty that his understanding of time is correct, free of contradictions like a Real Robin Hood. Certainty that fear itself is not irrational, and that he has explainable reasons to feel this way. And similarly, this episode shows how Clara and Danny are this way too. Both are overreacting to each other, self-sabotaging because they're scared of being properly vulnerable with another person. A "sitcom misunderstanding" dinner date with scary mood lighting. This is the episode that made Clara my favourite companion because it exposes much deeper levels of her character. Her keeping Danny a secret from the Doctor implies (to me) that she wants that part of her life for just herself. But her avoiding the suggestion of being related to Orson also means she's avoiding the idea that she will commit to a relationship with Danny, because that means opening up. The "impossible girl" personality is a mask, like "The Doctor" as a title. And she's terrified of letting that mask slip. So of course, in true "time traveler's wife" style, they are both responsible (in part) for creating each other. Clara learned all these lessons from the Doctor and is inspired by him, so now she becomes his bedside teacher when he needs it. But she is also a source of his fear, becoming both his original nightmare and the comfort that helps him through it. "Fear makes companions of all of us" was a line said by the First Doctor in episode 4 of Classic Doctor Who, in a scene where he shows vulnerability around his first companions for the first time. And so, in episode 4 of the series' fifty-first year of life, it reiterates that mission statement with an imaginary monster. Because all monsters in Doctor Who are imaginary, but that doesn't make it wrong to be scared of them - even if you're a fictional 2000-year old Gallifreyan or a schoolteacher on a date.

SeeJay

The Doctor making those comments about Clara's appearance is him making it extremely clear that this iteration doesn't sexualize humans, especially Clara. It's banter; he knows full well she didn't take her make-up off, but he's saying "oh I didn't even notice" as a way to say "that doesn't interest me"

D Scott Howard

You are starting to occasionally chuckle more and more, he's winning you over slowly. Confusion is also a superpower, by the way.