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These are busy times, friends, and this will be a busy post. Please don't be distracted by the fanart, as there are some things like release dates and the demographic survey that you might want to provide input on.

EDIT: I've put together the maybe-final draft of the survey! See the bottom of the post for the new link.

First, we have a lovely bit of fanart of Campfire Qum! This was commissioned by a fan on Discord and can be found on the artist's profile here. Please enjoy. ^-^

Now, with TLS 0.81.2 out publicly and nothing having gone horribly wrong, what needs to happen for the big launch? These are the different elements of the situation:

I have no items on my list to fix/change. Annikath might finish another set of illustrations, depending on how long it takes me to get to the release date, but this won't change much.

One issue blocking us is that I want to have another DLC live. While this isn't strictly necessary, I need to be careful about monetization when I'm releasing a game for free. I started this process over three weeks ago, but Valve is stalling me. =/

After that, there is no release process for leaving Early Access; you push a button and it happens instantly. I need to pick a good time, meaning one where I can fully support the release and not too close to a holiday or other major event.

Ideally I'd like to have completed gathering survey data before then, so that we get data from before any new players, but that's not strictly necessary.

What's this about survey data? Glad you asked, rhetorical device! Some of you may remember that back in 2017, I did a big demographics survey of TLS players. I've always wanted to do so again, but since the first one took so much time, I promised myself I wouldn't spend time on it until I had more work done and found a good window.

Well, this is that window. Unfortunately I'm not being very productive, between all the release work and some unpleasant and stressful things on the writing/editing side of my work, the past couple weeks. The only upside is that since my attention is fractured anyway, handling the survey won't really damage my creative work.

So here's a draft survey, please look and don't touch yet:

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This is modeled after the survey I did last time, with a few changes based on that experience. Anyone have any thoughts about changes, or questions that could be added? This will be a fun opportunity to gather data about what kinds of people play TLS, and I'm eager to compare to the previous results given how far the game has come over the years.. ^-^

Okay, that's all for now. This month is going to be a crazy one.

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This is what I have for the modified survey, if anyone wants to look before I make the survey public in a couple days:

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1GhXqqFHhtIFPobftC3WgpAm3dx2EAvb8PND4kNavY7E/preview

Nothing should be temporary at this point, so call out any typos or mistakes if you see them.

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Hypo Soc

Two survey comments: I'm a filthy cheater who tries to make everyone happy. Would that be its own option for the how you optimize question? And have you considered allowing ranked voting for villains/other party member favorites? I suspect "second favorites" would be informative.

sierralee

Including cheating is a good idea, as that data would itself be interesting! Ranked choice is interesting in theory, but I don't think the form has the option to make a question like that.

sierralee

Oh, that's where the preview is. I figured such a thing must exist, but didn't see it. In any case, I do have a protected version that wasn't shared, so all's fine.

Decarabia

Remember to include a spoiler warning since you are listing the names! (Wait, was homossexual the deleted possible answer? XD) Brainstorming some questions: - Did you use a walkthrough? - Have you played other RPGmaker games? - Favorite moment? - Favorite sex scene? - Favorite dungeon? - Favorite location?

BKRD

"I cheat in order to get everything" Guys they know, abort the mission ! (is watching the wikia to know our stats during the events is cheating ?) I started to play around 2018, can't believe we're close from the full completion of this gem

Captain Hair

It's not cheating, it's high level Tower manipulation!

Hypo Soc

Indeed. In a meta contextual sense, is not precisely and exactly using a save editor not the same as doing the Sovereign Ending?

Dubsington

Regarding the Altina/Vara questions, "did you choose" should probably be "do you prefer" or "do you usually choose". Completionists among us doubtless have explored a bit of both paths, but probably still have a strong preference. (Being a bit nitpicky there, but I suspect I'm not the only anal-compulsive in your fan base regarding matters of language.) You might want to have some named portraits accompany the article. Doubtless there are those among us that haven't played in a while and are waiting for The Final Release before starting a new one. We don't want bad memories cluttering up our Best Girl stats. You also might want to have some questions about what sort of sex scenes are preferred. I realize that could easily turn into a fetish rabbit-hole, but given that the obsession over "NTR" that has manifested in the last few years might impact your tags and therefore WEG outreach when you breach the body of players that only play completed games, it might be good info to have. E.g., How important are the girl/girl scenes? Are you a self-inserter who wants Simon present in every sexual encounter? Do you avoid the scenes where the harem girls fool around with non-Simonial males? Etc. And if you _do_ want to go down the rabbit hole, it would be kind of fun to see some kind of ranking of the fetish content the game does get into. Consent is a really subtle and fluid concept in this game, and It'd be interesting to see where players sit on it.

Dubsington

Another one: The investment things left me wanting to enter a comment. "I usually try to maximize profit, not because I'm roleplaying the second coming of JP Morgan, but because I suck at investing and never have enough to do the Greatest Good, which is what I REALLY wanted to do." Might want to either expand the options on that one, or give us a text block for "other"-type answers.

Dubsington

> I don't think the form has the option to make a question like that. I've seen other devs do it, generally by assigning a numerical value (or points) to each character as an independent question. Clunky, but easy to tabulate. If someone makes everybody the same rank you just roll with it.

Rachnera

Even Wikipedia seems confused at the difference between a bachelor's degree and a graduate degree. While less precise, for the sanity of your non-US fans, you might want to merge all university degrees beyond doctor as one (I think doctorates kind of exist everywhere?).

sierralee

We could do that in theory, but I think it would add a lot to an already long survey.

sierralee

Lots of good suggestions here, thanks!

Hypo Soc

I do not recommend adding ranked voting. Rule of thumb for surveys is keeping it simple. But maybe a "choose up to three multichoice"?

sierralee

Thanks for the suggestions. I don't know about adding images, but I'll add a link to the appropriate page of the wiki so people can look characters up.

ChronOblivion

Probably include the major religions in that question, as amusing as it is to see none of them listed in a poll about religion. Also wouldn't be sure how to answer the How Long question, I played a bit into Act 4 a few years ago, hiatus for a long time, then I recently replayed most of the game recently. Not someone who caught up and then stayed current with each update.

sierralee

I'm afraid I don't know what the generally understood terms would be. I am referring to an initial university degree (generally received in 3-5 years) vs all later degrees (many different types, but typically leading up to a doctorate).

sierralee

In the previous survey, almost no one in the audience was religious, but now that I look at the question I do think the answers need some modification. There's going to be some degree of interpretation needed for some of the questions, unfortunately, but I think sometimes we have to sacrifice specificity for simplicity.

Annikath

I assume you are aware, but mentioning it just in case: Second and Third favorite character are currently not text fields, so one could only enter one fav character in the first box atm :>

AchtungNight

Survey Suggestions- I would put Antarion under villains, but you may prefer differently. Also seconding the suggestion to let us name all three favorite characters (Yarra, Simon, Vhala for me). Otherwise it looks great.

An_Insane_Rogue_AI

Survey looks pretty good, my few suggestions have already been suggested by other people. For the favorites questions most of it will be easy for me but the favorite villain question is actually going to be really hard for me to choose

Innocuous

Other question ideas: - Do you play other adult games? Yes a lot/Yes, occasionally/Only Sierra Lee Games/No - Favorite genre(s) of games? - Have you played other Sierra Lee games? - Least favorite character(s)? - Favorite chapter? - Favorite aspect of the game? Story/combat/investing/adult content/choices matter/something else Or could do it as a series of scales, so like 'How much do you like the story 1-5?' etc

sierralee

Some things worth getting at, definitely! I'll have to try to think about how best to ask them, though.

Joker

I can't submit the survey.

sierralee

The survey isn't live yet! This is the preview version as I improve the questions or add more.

Dubsington

This will be fun. The first survey was out right around the time I started (I didn't participate in it because I was not far into the game yet), and I distinctly recall Sierra's analysis post, complete with some hilarious commentary from characters. The Fucklord lost the popularity poll resoundingly, and commented "I'm the lord of fucks, not the lord of votes!" There was also a bit where Yara crowed about being officially named "objectively best succubus". Both made me laugh quite a bit, and cemented my opinion that TLS's humor is the most underrated part of the game.

Joker

Ahhh, got it!

AchtungNight

Any orc in the game can be our favorite now? I wonder how many people will pick FANCY ORC.

Whatever

Could you make deathblow not completely useless?

AchtungNight

There’s one boss weak to it in Aka’s quest. Several other bosses are not immune to it. So it’s not useless, there are just usually better options.

Whatever

It's just everytime I find an enemy I'd want to risk a deathblow on, I check the wiki after dying and it's immune. Idk why I wouldn't just use Varia every time, at least it isn't a guessing game. Is it possible to get like a blocked message at least so I'm not required to have the wiki open to not waste turns?

sierralee

As in many RPGs, it's difficult to balance skills with powerful effects because they can so easily seem overpowered or useless. I wouldn't say that this is perfect, but it's what I could do with the systems available to me. For example, what you say about status effects returning a "blocked" message sounds good, but I would need to find someone to code something brand new that alters fundamental systems, it isn't a feature that can be simply turned on.

Draith aka Darryl Kirtzinger

Great game. Didn't see a spot to submit bug reports, so figured I'd come here instead. Was just doing a replay and in chapter two, during the Yarra part of split the party, on day 2, right after the succubus races, there's the option to sleep or put it off until later. Choosing to put it off until later causes the game to get stuck. I can bring up the chat history, but literally nothing else works. This must've been broken in the last patch, because I just played through this section last week and was able to choose later with no issues.

sierralee

Here is a good place for bug reports - welcome aboard! Yes, this was broken in the last patch; in an effort to help people complaining about this section, I added the sparkle, not realizing that the player could get trapped on the other side of it. Definitely expect it to be fixed next patch!

Whatever

Yeah I realized it's nothing simple, just with Vhala having a personal mechanic that makes her immune to entire swathes of abilities from your enemies and partners, but I'm no coder. This is all magic to me and I appreciate it honestly. It just feels like a waste when all the enemies that aren't immune to deathblow die in two good hits anyway. Maybe just a mana cost reduction? So at least when I'm slamming my head against some of these brick walls trying to figure out which are and aren't immune it's not as costly lol blade and bolt of lust cost less and are basically always better from my experience.

sierralee

There's nothing unreasonable about your suggestion, but this late in development I'm not likely to make balance changes, sorry. Easy to mess things up, as some other reports have proved.

Whatever

I didn't mean to impose! Sorry, just thinking out loud. This was a nitpick of a nitpick; Me projecting my own anger and poor planning onto the game.

Whatever

If this game has taught me anything, it's that there is no perfect future, just the one we forge for ourselves.

sierralee

You're fine, players are entitled to give their thoughts! I continue to try to improve the game, there are just limits to what I can control. Glad you're enjoying it overall. ^-^

Whatever

Hey if I'm entitled to my thoughts nerf this damn skittering nightmare boss fight lol

Whatever

Nevermind just beat it totally didn't take 5 hours of retires, gg and how dare you 🫶