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This week I put out another TLS art preview and more DStP demo builds. Thanks to friendly people playtesting, I don't have to spend time running through the game again, but it does leave me worried the build won't be viable somehow. I've also tried to jump through the last of Valve's hoops to get the game into Steam Next Fest. Fingers crossed that page/build will be approved.

Another bit of news: Throne of Time has hit the top ten of all time on RoyalRoad, and held long enough to get the achievement! Competitions is fierce, though, so more reviews are always helpful. If you've been considering trying this, it's my big shot at a time loop series.

An Artist Situation

Anyway, this week I'm going to talk about what I think is the first time I encountered an art scammer. Not every working relationship with artists is equally smooth, and long-term patrons may remember trouble with DStP artists going MIA for long periods, but I've never interacted with someone I thought was insincere until recently.

As I've mentioned, two of the pixel artists I selected for Four Liars have been lovely. The person I chose for the environmental tiles, however, was a consistent issue with delays, excuses, and ultimately not delivering workable art. I did see some pixels that I couldn't use in a game, both for quality reasons and because the tiles weren't formatted properly (despite all our communications on that).

I like to give grace to people, but this person also asked for 100% of the payment up front, allegedly so they could dedicate themselves fully to the project. Most artists will ask for 50/50, or do a small art test first. I could go into a number of other details that seemed suspicious to me, but the conclusion was that I started to be concerned this person was not a sincere artist, but a scammer trying to run out the clock on payment disputes.

The thing is, I'm not completely sure. Their communication was extensive and mostly good, which doesn't seem like something a scammer would do... except that we now live in a world with LLMs.

I'm still unsure about this part. The text wasn't very polished, but it could have been run through a humanizer (machine or a person just adding errors). One thing that threw me a little, but could have been someone's personal communication style, was the way that they repeated so many of the points I made. Very thorough human being, or an algorithm just parroting back what I wrote?

Eventually I decided that I had to cut my losses and, for the first time ever, filed a PayPal dispute. PayPal ruled in my favor, so at least I didn't lose money out of this... but I did lose a fair amount of time, and the whole thing leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Either this was a very strange situation or I chose poorly with this one.

Anyway, while this was going on, I contacted one of the other people who applied, and they have seemed good so far (they did the sample scene from last week). I hope to be able to show fun things over the coming weeks, and ultimately in Four Liars. Thank you for your support.

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AchtungNight

I think you did the right thing rejecting that suspicious activity. Very strange.

Lord Forte Games

Congrats on the top ten! Sadly, I do think it was probably for the best that you did the dispute here. The parroting your points back bit feels extremely LLM, and there are a -lot- of scammer warnings on the art commission subs that I've used to find artists in the past, so I don't think it's am uncommon problem. Sorry you had to deal with it, regardless.

Pieter Koornhof

Yeah, it does happen, sadly, thank goodness PayPal helped you!

Pieter Koornhof

Congrats on the Top Ten! I'll have to give it a read at some point.

lostone2

I'm really glad for your ToT success. Apart from RR, there is also an impressive number of interactions in the Patreon posts, so there seems to be quite a strong and wide interest (I had to confess that I usually don't read all the comments there, because in the past doing it religiously have detracted me from enjoying other stories fully). I think that the artist situation has been solved as well as it could. Kind of surprised that you posted exactly 12 hours before the usual time, though.

sierralee

I don't recommend that people read all comments either. I wouldn't, if I felt I could get away with it. But yes, there does seem to be quite a bit of interest! >Kind of surprised that you posted exactly 12 hours before the usual time, though. Patreon doesn't use 24 hour time for scheduling posts, but an AM/PM system. And it seems, for the first time, I had the wrong one selected.

Grim8P

Congrats on Throne of Time. I intend to start reading it later tonight! The situation with the artist is really unfortunate. I'm glad you were able to win the dispute at least. Here is hoping things go better in the near future!

Ark Tolei

I've been enjoying the throne of time so far. I'm glad it's performing well. I've always thought of LLM's as being predominantly useful for defrauding the direct users of the LLM, with a few ancillary uses for police states (don't care if the LLM is correct or not, imprisoning random people is an end in itself) and chastising labor (same principle) but the ability to feign just enough deep knowledge about a subject to make a scam more convincing is a new one for me. I guess it's something of a parallel to my concern about completely new categories of error being propagated through person to person interactions, because the kinds of errors LLM's make are not the kinds of errors humans make, so when someone shares an LLM mistake with you without telling you the source, your normal bullshit alarms might not fire. The scammer in this case would be utilizing a similar principle to feign normal business interactions. I wonder if people who aren't attempting to run a con, but who are completely unqualified to be working professionally might become harder to identify over time as human communication devolves into a sludge of LLM's talking to each other about topics nobody involved understands anything about. Pretty grim.

sierralee

I didn't include it in my post, but there was another artist who applied who I am moderately sure was using an LLM. If not, they were a verbose and frustrating communicator. But possibly the subject of this post was another who managed the output better and got past my mental filter. =/ But yes, it's also possible people are feigning competence. In this case, enough things were odd that in the future I could be more critical, but I don't like being constantly skeptical of everyone I'm communicating with.

Ark Tolei

I haven't had to hire freelancers in years and I was very lucky to mostly be dealing with people I knew personally (went terribly, but only as terribly as you can expect from hiring your friend), or who had very established reputations (went very smoothly) for very simple projects. Having to hire affordable freelancers for long term projects is very intimidating, and I can only imagine how stressful it would be, especially if the concerns about whether they're actively screwing you are in the foreground rather than the background.

Rodolfo Sánchez

Hi Sierra, do you have a blog when fans can ask questions and you can answer?

Rodolfo Sánchez

Hi, i want to report a bug: when i created a new body to wendis, in the harem list it appeared Sabitha instead of wendis

sierralee

Thanks for the report. I think this one has been fixed for version 1.3.0, but let me know if it still happens after the update.

DukeLeto7

We fixed in 1.2ish, I think. If Rodolfo hasn't updated, there's still a problem.