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TLS 0.41.0 Released (Patreon)

Published:
2019-01-25 23:02:18
Edited:
2019-02-06 20:29:47
Imported:
2026-06
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UPDATE (Feb 6): Version 0.41.3 is up, see links and change notes. Also, because the Lunar New Year sale on Steam is getting so much attention, I'm thinking of delaying the Steam release a bit. Not the normal public release, though.

New version time! I hope this one doesn't have much in the way of bugs (and the consequences of the bugs wouldn't be severe), but it's very likely to have content added in version 0.41.1 and beyond.

Link: https://mega.nz/#!nssyEaYT!VGnjAkiqyYXxbB944eal-VixP-54MjHN_KLpbxFrSI0 

RTP: https://mega.nz/#!Pg1gyCpZ!H_xC85T8Zksr09TUJuiabtQe7J2lRM4IDHNFc7Gdj5Q 

TLS 0.41.0

 - Significant synod overhaul. (see details below)

 - Entire world updated based on synod results. 

 - 4 new plot scenes, 3 new affection scenes.

 - Sarai can now join, depending on your synod results.

 - Orilise can now be maxed, depending on your synod results.

TLS 0.41.1

 - First Root bug.

 - Minor fixes.

TLS 0.41.2

 - Lots of polishing and minor variants/fixes, no significant new content added.

 - New scenes added to Reflection menu.

 - There was new content added to the Aramite fort, but it was inaccessible before now.

 - Fixed the bug in the harem menu.

Synod Overhaul

 - More speakers added to the votes in the latter half (flavor only).

 - Zirantia now sends a representative. He's mostly flavor, but he influences the last vote.

 - Tak'Kan Vote: Ignias's support increased.

 - Tak'Kan Vote: Simon speaking now grants an additional bonus.

 - Tak'Kan Vote: Nabith + Sanitation Guild bonus improved.

 - Tak'Kan Vote: Kerannii's deal has an impact on her results.

 - Fucklord Vote: Kerannii's deal now has a greater impact.

 - Economic Vote: The cost now varies based on the Religion stat.

 - Eustrin Vote: There is now a new option to spend additional influence on this vote.

 - Eustrin Vote: The result requirements have been tweaked.

 - Goddess of Magic Vote: Requirements and rewards tweaked.

 - Goddess of Magic Vote: Yelarel's contribution now varies based on her influence variable.

 - Mother's Guard Vote: Requirements and rewards tweaked.

 - Mother's Guard Vote: Yelarel's contribution now varies based on her influence variable.

 - Inquisition Vote: You can now receive a bonus from Religion, but the requirements increased a little.

 - Succubus Holy Knights: The cost of applying Sarai's influence now varies based on Yelarel's influence.

 - Succubus Holy Knights: The Yelarel bonuses have changed.

TLS 0.41.3

New Additions

 - Previously, nothing changed in Zirantia. Now more things are updated.

 - This includes an event leading to a brand new scene.

 - Herin and Kaskia can be found in various locations. Not essential, just flavor in response to the synod.

 - Depending on vote results, Tak'Kan has a sanctification team in the Wilds.

 - Also potentially a new location in Tak'Kan.

 - A foreign succubus captured during the Gathering shows up then and later in Gasm Falls.

Minor changes

 - Usual typos and minor improvements.

 - Synod: Slight balance change to Esmera's deal.

 - Small lore addition giving Sarai a formal title.

 - Xerces coloration standardized thanks to Decanter.

 - Retroactive: Lady Entila now has a faceset and her conversation has been modified to use multiple expressions.

So... this one is the synod overhaul plus the update to the entire world plus some of the content I was originally planning to put in 0.42.0. Basically, this was everything I think is good to do before the Steam release. I'm more concerned about polish than usual, so it might take two weeks for this one to come out.

Speaking of polish, this update needs more. I made so many updates to various places... but I'm sure I've neglected others. Though not every area of the world will transform (I focused on religious locations), let me know if any lines feel out of date or could change.

Likewise, I am completely open to suggestions for more events. Since this is one of the times the plot will push the player to go look around the entire world, I wanted to include some rewards for that.

So yes, the plan is to go over the synod changes again, add/polish content, then do a public release in two weeks. Hopefully the Steam release at the same time, but Valve is being a pain. I will also be releasing some of the content I've held back, once I feel TLS is in good shape.

But all of that aside, I hope you enjoy the new content!

Comments

StormyAngel

Not a comment on the update, except to say that today has been a very rough day for me, and coming home to this update makes everything better. :) Thanks for telling a good story with such an awesome game!

Captain Hair

Quick question. First thing I did is talk to everyone in the base. Does Carina really have no opinion on Gawnfall results? She's still on Wendis when I talk to her in her little shrine.

SurfingBird

Bug report: at the First Root, after the synod granted access, you can meet Lynine and have an outdated conversation, plus you can't leave the zone.

werewindle

Orilise and Sarai BUT gotta redo the Synod because OCD? Argh! *tears out last two pages from the notepad*

Captain Hair

Stineford's Cathedral has a completely inert Carina just standing in it

Runcible Technician

First odd thing; the succubus band manager still says they will be leaving soon in Helvana.

Captain Hair

Just want to say I'm glad I've got in game characters supporting the two halfling threesome. And giving Orri and her mother an actual happy ending was great.

DukeLeto7

Vera gave me a choice between four crystals of harmony. Minor: The Stineford prostitute has added to the staff count, but isn't visible in the HQ maps.

Trevor

Still going through things but I think I found a game-breaker. If you return to the first root you cannot leave.

Dubsington

Excellent! Can you make a new post when you release patches? I know you hate spamming people, but it'd be nice to just watch my feed and not have to poll the download page every day until things seem stable.

Captain Hair

I have a couple Wendis questions. Wendis says she'll eat all the abyssal gems we can get her. Do we actually feed them to her or dp they just sit in the inventory till we have all the ingredients? And is her cohesion number a percentage? Like I have her at 27, is that 27% out of 100 or what?

Hypo Soc

Minor Bug: The Clock in Sarai's tower can be walked into Major Bug: Trying to enter the first forest to... spoiler I guess... prevents you from leaving. You are trapped there. It seems to think you are still in the elf dungeon run, with the pillars swapping trees around.

Handsome Stalin

Alright, here's me hoping to create a somewhat proprely formated list... (I haven't checked anything for .1 because I haven't seen anything mentioned here in the comments, sorry if I'm wrong on that) Vhala's HQ dialogue on new unpeople seems to be switched around (She reacts negatively if you've prevented their creation) Switch [EUSTRIN: Heavy Impact] doesn't impact Megail, so she says she regrets not helping Eustrin even if you reached that switch. Robin's discussion with sister Beatrice extends the "page", line "It seems to me..." Simon comments "we have accommodation at Gawnfall" at Ardford's merchant's guild even after the synod.

MutagenicCrow

I was going to ask, whats next? The synod seemed to be something you were building up to for a while so I was wondering what the next adventure will be?

Captain Hair

Ok, just in case someone hasn't mentioned it, none of the new scenes show up in "Reflect."

WaxerRed

"Alright Simon we are going to let you back into the Ferholm church but be on your best behavior.." He said, five minutes before Simon came buckets into a succubus in there backroom.

BowlinJim

Removed my error report just to prevent spoilers, but be careful navigating Yarra's harem menu for now

StormyAngel

Found a bug: Visiting the Unpeople in Ramasta, Kerannii doesn't move even though the text seems to indicate that she's speaking to the party, instead of halfway across the room facing the other way. It's a bit disconcerting. Edit: And another, sorta. The first wandering nun in Ardford's Holy district has a text box that moves up. It starts with "Welcome to the Holy district! If..." Edit: And another, sorta. During Robin's chat with Sister Beatrice in the Ardford Cathedral, her second text box moves up. it moved a bit quickly for me to catch the starting words though. Edit: Upon entering the silver stump, there is no sign of Kalant, but the text seems to indicate the party is surprised to see him. He shows up once they're around the table, but before that I was a little confused why Simon/Orcent stopped mid-conversation. Edit: Upon entering the Gardens of Steam, Dari's face portrait showed her unwoman (zombie) face, even though my save has her restored to a normal appearance. It's the same for all of her portraits. Although upon further perusal, I'm not sure I'm supposed to be seeing that conversation at all, as it's only Lynne, Megail, and Dari, and they're all talking about the ardan succession crisis as if they are currently busy doing something about it. They even refuse to use the bathhouse on the basis that it would be better if everybody could be there...which they should be?

Desuwa

In the Order of Silence building I managed to trigger the conversation over giving Kalant the knighthood, which acted as if Simon wasn't present. I'm not sure if I avoided it during the relevant section or not. Now he only says "We'll let you know how Kalant works out." This is in 0.41.1. edit: I also triggered the Dari-Lynine-Megail conversation upon entering the gardens of steam. The converation at the baths is also not correct given the state of my party ("Wouldn't feel the same without everyone.").

onepot

In the Final Issues Projection at Gawnfall, after having Sarai spend influence on Eustrin, she says, 'I'll do everything I can to help out Neranda and her people', regardless of if you spent 3 or 5 influence. Maybe that should be changed if you only spend 3? Also Sierra, curse you for making a habit lately of releasing when I have absolutely no time at all! *shakes fists* (Though I've gotta admit, that's most of the time lately. ^^)

Fulminato

diggining in the synod: in the small issue projection talking with yelarel (right side) [id:021] the middle influence cost (-3) branch check the religion score [0016], not yelarel summit [0269]

John Smith

What are the locations of the Chosen One that keeps running away?

Scol

Minor issue in the new Restaurant. You can't talk to one of the guests as the path to her is blocked (can't walk on tiles with chairs on the left & right sides of the tables).

Jesse Brown

Visited the First Root, found the Chosen One who keeps running away for the fifth time and got his sword. However, when I try to leave the area, Simon says "We need to finish this."

Hell Satan

Um the people on the restaurant in arford is not properly seated and I think I found some typos, will check again later I was stuck doing laundry all day. so I wasn;t able to check properly.

Farrock

Found a major issue at the First Root. After entering i can't leave. When i try to exit Simon just says "We need to finish this" and the game pushes me back. I believe the game thinks I still need to destroy the corruption.

Xenos DB

the dialogue at the gardens of steam seems outdated, esp when entering the pool area

DukeLeto7

Slight oddity I found parsing the investments in the Ch 4 iterate event. The profit and ledger line item for the Crystal Refiner is embedded in the conditional for whether the Potions and More duo has gone to Ardford. There are copies of the code in both conditional paths, so the code is functional... it's just... untidy. (Secretly hopes SL never sees his coding...)

genericname12345

Bug, I think? Vhala spoke about how she wished we could have done more to stop the creation of Unpeople, but we stopped it cold. I chose to support Esmera's deal since I could still make sure that I got the best result, though. Was that the reason why there's the dichotomy?

Innocuous

When you go see Andra after the council, Yarra has a line that starts 'Look a little Carina...". There's also a typo in the Sarai scene. The line 'yet she enjoying having his face'. Also when I then went to look at Yarra's list it crashed the game. The little animated sprite is great. I played through the council again, and the one thing I kept thinking was 'What's in the supply closet?' Seriously, I kept expecting something to be there.

V

Megail really picked up Simon's habit of helping random people.

genericname12345

So, for the Synod, I think I'm pretty happy with where it's at now. I mean, I was happy before, but I think this hews closer to what you mentioned about even the most optimized saves not being able to do everything perfect - especially at the Minor Issues point. I got near perfect results throughout the entire Major Issues side - forced Annah to backpedal (gave her an olive branch because I like her character), broke the Unification vote (only the second best option, but no benefits for going above and beyond except for +1 Influence which would have been a net loss for me), and got the Council to accept and tolerate Succubi. Day Three, we managed to get Ivalan Succubi and get the maximum possible result for them. The next day we shot down the New Unpeople legislation and secured aid for those who already existed. In contrast to my save before, I got major amounts of assistance for Tak'kan as well. The Purity vote ended in Kaskia's favor, but I stacked enough points in Herin to still ensure she won by a landslide. Lastly, the Fucklord vote was won handily with the Church choosing to cooperate with allies against the little tit. For the minor issues, it was a silver medal day. Aside from the GoM petition and the Mother's Guard - both of whom I focused on to get the best results, I got the second best results everywhere else. So, good economics but not way better, an impact on Eustrin, opened up Ardford for us but still iffy on other races, and got Yelarel's Succubi Order accepted. My save was really, really optimized I feel - so, I don't think that one could have feasibly done any better than perfect Major, almost perfect Minor.

Fulminato

some miscellanea: - Janelle in ari-yhilina cathedral had the same dialogue, with sarai moving to new givini i think she need a new line. - we can invest in the ardford supplier, it's the only supplier investment in chapter 4, this seem a bit strange to me. - upeople vote[id:020], nabith block: in the church diverge branch there a check for overreach switch, but in church diverge scenario the switch is never set. - in standard minor issue (new religion) you can only use influence, this make the branch 2-1 useless

WaxerRed

I should mentioned it earlier but I really think you out did yourself with H scenes this time around. The mix of emotional connection and eroticism between Simon and Saria was stellar, while Elleani was just plain tragic. So great work!

Mip

Not sure if this is reported yet, but after adding Sarai, checking the Harem menu through Yarra and looking at Sarais entry crashes the game with an "unable to find file" message.

Fritzsimmons

during Aka's route in the newest update i've noticed that the options to move around the city has been switched to the options from after the Battle for Yhilin choices. sadly this means that i can't access the Jade Clearing house to finish this section of the game.

Trevor

After the Jr. High Priestess Vote but before we go to clear the Tower Sarai mentions several minor issues that don't really matter and that we cannot influence one way or another. Some of them do have an impact and I wonder what the results were, will we see them in the game? The ones that spring to mind are: -Changing Sarai's title. -Where the Jr. High Priestess goes.

Handsome Stalin

Just a small bug, the right Eustrin entrance guard in Aramite Desert has the same switch issue that Megail had, he doesn't acknowledge [Eustrin: Heavy]

Lamsey

OK, so I've managed a playthrough with my preferred Council result (Succubi accepted) so far. I'll try and provide feedback later on other paths, but here's what I've got for now. Council changes: the extra flavour speakers are good; it feels much less like Simon's dominating the proceedings. I'm still able to get good results on the major votes, but I'm having to make more compromises on the minor votes now, which sounds in line with your intention that players shouldn't be able to achieve everything. I'll need to experiment, but for me it looks like meaningfully helping Eustrin is going to mean taking some hits elsewhere. Even with a mildly positive result, I get a real sense of foreboding when visiting Aram and Eustrin. World changes: this is the kind of update I love, with all the attention to detail. Lots of funny little moments, like Megail's continuing revelation as a (very) reluctant altruist, Vera's menu choices, and the Chosen chase. Equally, there are some touching and poignant bits, especially poor Elleani's scene, and I'm always happy to see more bar conversations with Orcent. I'm also starting to feel really sorry for Andra now, which is remarkable given she's been comedy relief for so long. Typos and suggestions (0.41.2): Final sentence flows a bit awkwardly with the long "to ... to ... to ..." clause, but I can't see a good place for a comma - maybe change to "through her clenching pussy"? <a href="https://www.dropbox.com/s/txl6quumu5qxkdj/Screenshot%202019-01-31%2019.38.56.png?dl=0" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.dropbox.com/s/txl6quumu5qxkdj/Screenshot%202019-01-31%2019.38.56.png?dl=0</a> PS - the whole premise of this scene amused me greatly :-) This feels more like Robin's voice than Varia's: <a href="https://www.dropbox.com/s/mgvb4kiztxev0ys/Screenshot%202019-01-31%2019.54.49.png?dl=0" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.dropbox.com/s/mgvb4kiztxev0ys/Screenshot%202019-01-31%2019.54.49.png?dl=0</a> talk about -> talk about it: <a href="https://www.dropbox.com/s/3clf4ng5sjmqpa9/Screenshot%202019-01-31%2020.27.11.png?dl=0" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.dropbox.com/s/3clf4ng5sjmqpa9/Screenshot%202019-01-31%2020.27.11.png?dl=0</a> Not sure if this is tied up in the Givini Mage Guild investment (I haven't done it yet), but this Sister could maybe use a new line post-Council: <a href="https://www.dropbox.com/s/c476h11qimk1ajq/Screenshot%202019-01-31%2020.30.50.png?dl=0" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.dropbox.com/s/c476h11qimk1ajq/Screenshot%202019-01-31%2020.30.50.png?dl=0</a> rubbing -> rubbed (last line): <a href="https://www.dropbox.com/s/ctwk1zxa8d1g7bs/Screenshot%202019-01-31%2020.56.57.png?dl=0" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.dropbox.com/s/ctwk1zxa8d1g7bs/Screenshot%202019-01-31%2020.56.57.png?dl=0</a> PS - I'm also amused that Sarai ended up actually not that far away from yelling about cunt-blasting... Overflow: <a href="https://www.dropbox.com/s/kga5y834di2ls51/Screenshot%202019-01-31%2021.22.29.png?dl=0" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.dropbox.com/s/kga5y834di2ls51/Screenshot%202019-01-31%2021.22.29.png?dl=0</a> Placement is awkward here, it looks like they're standing behind the chairs. It might work better with Kara on the right, since the chair's vertical placement is better, and with Orcent on the corner next to her, at the southern edge: <a href="https://www.dropbox.com/s/e2j02zo4j8hifoz/Screenshot%202019-01-31%2021.44.31.png?dl=0" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.dropbox.com/s/e2j02zo4j8hifoz/Screenshot%202019-01-31%2021.44.31.png?dl=0</a> This line could do with an update - maybe something like "We should probably keep our distance to avoid complicating things for Tyna"? <a href="https://www.dropbox.com/s/wb7h9i1nivt4abv/Screenshot%202019-01-31%2021.46.47.png?dl=0" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.dropbox.com/s/wb7h9i1nivt4abv/Screenshot%202019-01-31%2021.46.47.png?dl=0</a> I was expecting Wendis to say something after acquiring the Crystal of Harmony, but it just quietly disappears from the list of ingredients we need: <a href="https://www.dropbox.com/s/pjf3reshhx4ccuf/Screenshot%202019-01-31%2021.59.01.png?dl=0" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.dropbox.com/s/pjf3reshhx4ccuf/Screenshot%202019-01-31%2021.59.01.png?dl=0</a> aide -> aid: <a href="https://www.dropbox.com/s/duxgnhk2icp5s62/Screenshot%202019-01-31%2022.04.06.png?dl=0" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.dropbox.com/s/duxgnhk2icp5s62/Screenshot%202019-01-31%2022.04.06.png?dl=0</a> treatisies -> treatises: <a href="https://www.dropbox.com/s/if5pq9pfgrxfrph/Screenshot%202019-01-31%2022.15.53.png?dl=0" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.dropbox.com/s/if5pq9pfgrxfrph/Screenshot%202019-01-31%2022.15.53.png?dl=0</a>

Trevor

Been thinking a bit about the Synod recently and it strikes me that the Unification vote is a bit different when compared to the others. All other votes have some impact beyond the Synod, either in RPs, Stats or Switches. This vote has its consequences and benefits contained to the Synod itself. As such the only goal to avoid is the game over. To elaborate on this vote we can spend the following influence: Sarai All In - (3 influence) Sarai Target Nabbith - (2 influence) Simon Talk - (1 influence) For the following possible results: Game Over (Score +4) Sarai -1 influence, Hester -1 influence (Score +3 - 1) Nothing (Score 0 - (-4)) Sarai +1 influence (Score -5) Having Simon talk is good especially if you're making a deal with Esmera, but Sarai's options are not worth it if you can avoid a game over without them. The points you can gain by getting a better result are worth less than the ones you spend to get said result, and the loss of influence with Hester is also insignificant, especially if you choose "Shape the World" when talking to her. The 1-2 influence one can save here makes a huge difference in the minor issues.

stephenwang89@duck.com

Was replaying it again and quick question, are there currently any plans to fix the pathing in the Stineford Academy? It's only when you go visit Robin for the first time (for Simon's Daughter quest) and it has her walking up and then talking to Sho and the others despite appearing to still be in the hallway, and then teleports Simon to the doorway of their room. If not, not a huge deal, just was replaying and noticed it. Thanks for your great work!

DukeLeto7

Errata: You can clip through haybales and the wood pile at the Kanese farm. The dude in the Zirantia slums who complains about the public funding for the streets being a priority says the church will do nothing about the Fucklord even if there was an optimal Fucklord result.

Lamsey

These "updated post" emails are good, thanks. I'd just finished another test run on 0.41.2, and the email meant I knew straight away that I should retest with 0.41.3. I haven't checked the new content yet, but these reports are still valid (new religion path): will just -> would just? <a href="https://www.dropbox.com/s/t0f2asujljheta5/Screenshot%202019-02-06%2019.59.33.png?dl=0" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.dropbox.com/s/t0f2asujljheta5/Screenshot%202019-02-06%2019.59.33.png?dl=0</a> Also, I don't think the possibility of succubus knights is even mentioned if the succubi aren't accepted, so this might come a bit out of left field in the other scenarios? Is it intentional that I can buy Givini Pins even if I haven't invested in the Givini Mage Guild yet? Not sure if he just means investments in New Givini in general. <a href="https://www.dropbox.com/s/uhg5u0gxprrhfj5/Screenshot%202019-02-06%2020.09.15.png?dl=0" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.dropbox.com/s/uhg5u0gxprrhfj5/Screenshot%202019-02-06%2020.09.15.png?dl=0</a> If the Ardford Summit voted not to create new Unpeople but then the Council voted to create more, then this line makes no sense: <a href="https://www.dropbox.com/s/4tyndbhbq6wrey9/Screenshot%202019-02-06%2020.37.11.png?dl=0" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.dropbox.com/s/4tyndbhbq6wrey9/Screenshot%202019-02-06%2020.37.11.png?dl=0</a> This line could do with being updated if new Unpeople are on the way: <a href="https://www.dropbox.com/s/we1yixtn2er8tib/Screenshot%202019-02-06%2021.10.09.png?dl=0" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.dropbox.com/s/we1yixtn2er8tib/Screenshot%202019-02-06%2021.10.09.png?dl=0</a>

Lamsey

New 0.31.3 content reports: The new Zirantia scene is good. Looks like the Claw is starting to show their... well... claws. The Lady Entila change is good too. It always felt a bit weird that she had her eyes closed for the whole conversation. I found Herin in Helvanna and Kaskia in Ramasta, not sure if they show up anywhere else. Still need to do a run where Kaskia gets elected - I assume they're in different locations in that scenario. Chalices -> Chalice: <a href="https://www.dropbox.com/s/ru367f7o9finol2/Screenshot%202019-02-06%2021.36.35.png?dl=0" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.dropbox.com/s/ru367f7o9finol2/Screenshot%202019-02-06%2021.36.35.png?dl=0</a> surprise -> surprised: <a href="https://www.dropbox.com/s/pgfoj6n5t26ci3z/Screenshot%202019-02-06%2023.06.07.png?dl=0" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.dropbox.com/s/pgfoj6n5t26ci3z/Screenshot%202019-02-06%2023.06.07.png?dl=0</a> kinds -> kind: <a href="https://www.dropbox.com/s/qoytj884gnw0973/Screenshot%202019-02-06%2023.08.23.png?dl=0" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.dropbox.com/s/qoytj884gnw0973/Screenshot%202019-02-06%2023.08.23.png?dl=0</a> The other stuff I reported previously is looking good now. I'll try a run tomorrow night with the "succubi suppressed" outcome and whatever other bad results my save permits.

Handsome Stalin

Just one thing I've noticed: Zirantia - Going to Wynn's house first and choosing "Return to Zirantia" will send you to the Plaza, meaning that if you return to the palace through the door the Divine Claw confrontation happens with you standing by the entrance instead of the portal.

Trevor

Were any changes made that influence Annah's score? I can't seem to get her to 10 with my previous choices.

Fulminato

rummaging through the change in the synod. in the unpeople vote (event ID 20, third row, first event, main chamber) after Simon speech, in the branch for the second deal with esmera Off [3094], the switch for refuse her request [3128] is never checked. this means if you refuse her after being hit by esmera score -1 in the refuse branch you had another esmera score -2 during the vote because you don't talk for new unpeople. and you will be hit with esmera score -2 even if you don't make any deal with her [2999] /[3094], but in this case you cannot talk with her at all, and she cannot tell you to push for more unpeople, in this case I think an esmera score -1 is enough, she will piss because you work against her goal, but without any deal this should be to much, esmera is a practical woman, without any agreement she knows cannot ask you to much. I think you made the unification vote too much harsh now, reach the -5 threshold is really hard, and you cannot do this without committing a big chunk of resource you have, and the best threshold 'reward' is really little compared to the effort needed to reach it.

onepot

For a change of pace, a request about story flow / player guidance: Could making the deal with Kerannii get a few text boxes more? After first encountering Esmera and Kerannii in the guest chambers, we go to Esmera and she frankly explains what she wants from us and what we can expect in return. Deal or no deal, check. Then with Kerannii, we say we want support for succubi and she says she wants Esmera removed. We, no can do that easily, she, one step at a time, let's talk tomorrow. By the time we talk to her again, we've checked out the rest of Gawnfall, scoured Ardford for new content, and had a somewhat lengthy conversation with Sarai about how the whole Synod thing is supposed to go down. The first time I played the Gawnfall content, I had forgotten that I was supposed to meet her at all (first-and-a-halfth-time actually because initially I overlooked her in the High Priestess chambers as her color scheme and placement in the shadow still feel less than ideal), and if I hadn't replayed it fast-pace after noticing, I wouldn't have remembered what she wanted from me in the first place - which was nothing palpable anyways, just 'one step at a time' opposing Esmera. So, a little reminder at that point would already help a great deal. Anyways, we're back to clarify our potential deal, but she just asks for us to see if 'our hearts align' with the player having no clue if we're on the same page about anything at all, so it really comes down to randomly choosing yes or no there and seeing what it may bring. While that's somewhat unpleasant from a player's perspective, to just go with it also feels totally untypical for Simon. He'd at least ask what the first 'one step at a time' expected from him would be, and what she's willing to give in return. And even if she's like 'You'll see when we get there, take it or leave it' or something like that, I say this conversation has to be there, because otherwise, as a player, it feels like you might have missed some relevant content. Sorry for another text wall, and sorry again because this is just the start of it. ^^ I just feel I need to display a first-time player's perspective after all of us here on Patreon have gone through the content over and over and taken it for given. Also, Yelarel's reforms: It only occured to me now, but it seems the only difference between pointing her to light or moderate reforms after day 2 are difficulty of the day 3 succubi vote and her own Yelarel score - i.e. 'hidden stats'. At the end of day 2, Yelarel's reforms seem like the next big thing, but on day 3 moderate reforms just add one(?) more textbox to her speech and otherwise there's no difference in the story flow. Are there later consequences differing between light and moderate? The thing here is, while hidden stats have been around for a long time and have helped you develop a great game, up until now I had the feeling that they just do their work in the background and help reflect my game's progress in an awestruck way from time to time. But with Gawnfall, I suddenly feel I NEED to know those hidden stats and what affects them to progress in the way I want to. I am a completionist and a minmaxer, but I think many of us, including me and yourself, might have grown too accustomed to the wiki being around and the core stats exposed. Knowing the underlying mechanics is great for minmaxers and, as I have experienced during Gawnfall, almost essential to give meaningful feedback to you sometimes, but it's important to remember they are hidden for a reason. I lack the sex/purity and Unpeople researches that would come in handy during the summit, but I was happy to find the Silent Order investment made up for that a bit. And overall, while there are many tough choices throughout the game, you've done a great job so far balancing them so that even if i made a bad choice somewhere, it will be rewarding in another place. Giving me the feeling of my choices having impact, but at the same time making sure I don't play myself into an inescapable hole. Most of the time. This. Is. AWESOME. But that's also why I think giving the player as much guidance as possible during this complex section is necessary. And to add to the enragement, some bits that I think might need rephrasing, all during the succubi vote on day 2: <a href="https://i1058.photobucket.com/albums/t403/onkelemma/chalice%20states%20instead%203%20nations_zpsip9zlobw.png" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://i1058.photobucket.com/albums/t403/onkelemma/chalice%20states%20instead%203%20nations_zpsip9zlobw.png</a> Iris on slavery. I think it should be 'the Chalice States' instead of 'our three new nations'. The current topic is succubi, but succubi don't play a leading role in Tak'Kan and New Givini. Phrasing it this way doesn't emphasize the merits of succubi, but suggests that those three nations are connected somehow, and the first connecting factor that comes to (my) mind is the Doom King. So I think Iris would rather restrain her argument to the Chalice States. <a href="https://i1058.photobucket.com/albums/t403/onkelemma/2%20sarai%20that%20IT%20is_zpsrn3mstyl.png" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://i1058.photobucket.com/albums/t403/onkelemma/2%20sarai%20that%20IT%20is_zpsrn3mstyl.png</a> Not sure about this as my English is bad, but I think the 'it' needs to be removed? <a href="http://i1058.photobucket.com/albums/t403/onkelemma/nabithsuccibivote1_zpsbjpvyspb.png" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">http://i1058.photobucket.com/albums/t403/onkelemma/nabithsuccibivote1_zpsbjpvyspb.png</a> ...says Nabith, then 6 textboxes later: <a href="http://i1058.photobucket.com/albums/t403/onkelemma/nabithsuccibivote2%206%20textboxes%20after_zpsukuvg7va.png" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">http://i1058.photobucket.com/albums/t403/onkelemma/nabithsuccibivote2%206%20textboxes%20after_zpsukuvg7va.png</a> Doesn't add up? <a href="http://i1058.photobucket.com/albums/t403/onkelemma/succvote%20supposedlybestoutcome_zpsihmu4klv.png" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">http://i1058.photobucket.com/albums/t403/onkelemma/succvote%20supposedlybestoutcome_zpsihmu4klv.png</a> Sarai after what I believe is the best result we could get for the succubi vote on day 2. Not sure if this sends the right message to the player. Also, after the Ivalan church accepted succubi on day 3: <a href="http://i1058.photobucket.com/albums/t403/onkelemma/THE%20world_zps4yzixsvp.png" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">http://i1058.photobucket.com/albums/t403/onkelemma/THE%20world_zps4yzixsvp.png</a> Shouldn't it be 'a' world, not 'the'? ...done. That's enough, really. Sorry for the text wall(s) again. ^^

Lamsey

Reports with "succubi suppressed" and other bad results: regrettable -> regrettably (Kaskia final-day result): <a href="https://www.dropbox.com/s/wos9wtkf6yqgb06/Screenshot%202019-02-07%2021.55.52.png?dl=0" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.dropbox.com/s/wos9wtkf6yqgb06/Screenshot%202019-02-07%2021.55.52.png?dl=0</a> I guess this makes some sense if the succubi are technically accepted but suppressed, but it'd make more sense to me if "didn't accept us" was changed to "wants us to give up even more" or similar. <a href="https://www.dropbox.com/s/axj7ga8p63zxv8z/Screenshot%202019-02-07%2022.10.42.png?dl=0" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.dropbox.com/s/axj7ga8p63zxv8z/Screenshot%202019-02-07%2022.10.42.png?dl=0</a> profit all these -> profit from all these: <a href="https://www.dropbox.com/s/i9zo2wr7bjryd0r/Screenshot%202019-02-07%2022.27.22.png?dl=0" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.dropbox.com/s/i9zo2wr7bjryd0r/Screenshot%202019-02-07%2022.27.22.png?dl=0</a> If you miss quest boy during the Council, he still talks as if it's not over when you see him in Ardford later: <a href="https://www.dropbox.com/s/r0ys1q2o4i1fdfg/Screenshot%202019-02-07%2022.32.56.png?dl=0" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.dropbox.com/s/r0ys1q2o4i1fdfg/Screenshot%202019-02-07%2022.32.56.png?dl=0</a>