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Dave on Dave on Joy: Sometimes We're The Head-Rammers (Patreon)

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2026-08-18 00:09:16
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NOTE: Our next episode will be a mail bag episode! Comment with any questions for David Chen and @joyofnapping and we'll try to address them in our next episode.

It's a special crossover episode as David Cho joins the podcast and the focus turns to @joyofnapping's most recent life steps.

In this episode, David, David, and @joy discuss:

Mailbag episode will be next!

Joy's job search

How to explain a gap in a resume

The unwritten rules of job-hunting

The expectation vs. the reality

David's GLP-1 Corner

PATRONS: You can get this audio in your podcast app by going to patreon.com/davechen, going to the "My Members

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Gary Yarbrough

This title is like when your favorite show lets you know in the opening sequence that it’s a special event episode

Filip V

Loved this conversation! It was fascinating hearing Joy step up from being a "supporting character" in the Dave-on-Dave format to being the lead. I liked how specific she got with her concerns. The more granular you are the more universal your story becomes - I'm sure you'll get feedback from plenty of folks in all sorts of different fields saying they relate to your feelings here. Please do keep us posted with how all of this goes! Following Dave's career over the years has been fascinating and I'm excited - and hopeful, and confident in - Joy's own job jamboree journey (sorry).

Gary Yarbrough

Oh my god I’m only 90 seconds into listening before Dave uses this same metaphor

Iain Clarke

A-chen-vers Assemble! My inner 12 year old thought the title was... unfortunate... but it made a lot of sense pretty soon. And it was a great episode. Count me a member of the "Good luck Joy" club.

Suren DeSilva

“Are you gonna make content around your GLP-1 journey?” “No, probably not.” “Have you considered a name for the series if you did?” “Yes and I’ve already purchased the domain, registered a trademark and reserved handles accross all social medias.” PEAK CHEN CONTENT 💀💀💀

Simon Williams

As Cho said at the end. What. An. Ep.

Brad Sucks

Been loving the GLP-1 content. A family member started Ozempic over a month ago and it’s been fascinating to witness. One thing seems to be that fatty/greasy foods hit way harder and can cause GI issues. I’d definitely listen to Dave Chen Loses. I’d love to hear you interview some experts about the subject, food noise etc.

Carole M

Joy’s concerns, which I can relate to deeply, sound partially like a natural consequence of stepping off a high achiever path with tried and tested milestones (manager at top consulting firm -> director in-house somewhere, for example). While she’s still a high achiever, the path is less clear and what success looks like isn’t as clear. I think and hope that success is ultimately a function of whether you are personally fulfilled by the endeavor.

Craig Wen

I used to work in a global health non-profit that focused on public-private partnerships, and a significant percentage of mid-level up to-senior leadership came from consulting. So I’m optimistic there’s a great mission-driven organization out there that needs Joy’s skills and can meet her goals as well. My partner often has similar concerns as Joy, so I sympathize with her (and Dave too). I wish her the best of luck and look forward to hearing what’s next.

Michael Passafiume

I've got a coupla questions for you and Joy or maybe it's one question and one suggestion/question...here goes: 1) Can you share any language learning tips? I've been trying to learn French by various means (apps, online classes, textbooks, etc.) and the progress has been...slow. 2) Joy sometimes speaks of France in such a reverential, heartfelt way, and you both speak some French (Joy more than David) and, well, maybe the call is coming from inside the house? Just sayin'. There have been a number of times listening to the Expat Files where I've thought, "I don't know why these two don't move to France already." As always, thanks for sharing your lives with us!

Joy o Napping

France maybe one day for us. I think we have learned not to get too attached to longer term (even 2-3 year term) plans since the laws and immigration programs for these countries are always changing. So let’s see if they would let us in. As for language learning, I think one needs a LOT of contact with the language. So in addition to reading signs and grocery labels or whatever in Portugal, I also listened to podcasts, followed a lot of social media, and just practiced. And struggled. If you can enroll in any kind of course that forces you into more hours of contact with the language per week, it helps. Luckily for you, there is tons of French language media, cinema, etc (European Portuguese not so much :)) Every language I have learned, I needed to learn the grammar like 3-4 times. The first time I get it but remember very poorly. It comes with repetition and exposure!

Michael Passafiume

Thanks so much for your reply, and for your thoughts on France and language learning. I hear you about contact with the language -- there's definitely room for improvement in that department. And I also don't remember grammar well, so repetition is key. Merci et bon week-end!

Warpstone

Man i had such dejavu when listening to this. It was like yesterday when Dave was having similar thoughts when looking at leaving full time work to pursue an internet career. Dave Cho really knows how to get to the point and has some great thoughts.

Joy o Napping

Oh no! A second person who thinks I am also being a Dave (Chen)