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In this episode of Dave on Dave, they discuss the saga of West Elm Caleb and the state of the online discourse around shitty men. 

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Brandon Lee Tenney

For those of us with kids, for context, things are not better. So, take that for what it’s worth while you’re keeping in mind how much progress has been made.

Brandon Lee Tenney

You know what. The more I think about last four or so minutes of this episode, the more infuriated I become. To suggest that Jeff and Devindra should not share their authentic selves with an audience who has listened to them for their authentic selves for over a decade? No. Sorry it’s so difficult to listen to, or off putting, or a downer—ffs. Maybe this will go to show that even behind a paywall you can fuck around and find out your blind spots are other people’s white hot searing pain. That has compounded for the third year. But the progress! Doesn’t mean shit if, like YOU said Cho, it’s the people that are the problem. YOU said you were terrified of 2024 and society’s trajectory. And then? You’d rather not hear it from them…? Damn.

David Chen

Brandon: thanks for listening and sorry if the comments on the podcast upset you. I’ll keep your thoughts in mind moving forward.

Patrick Neon

Ah, the classic neoliberal jiu-jitsu move of blaming it all on human nature. The hogs are squealing for their steak and cheap flights and SUVs and violence and car crashes (apparently?), so who are we to deprive them? If only people recycled, practiced mindfulness and hugged a tree every once in a while instead... I guess we are just powerless – no, we really are victims, in fact. Sincerely, Big Tech & Oil ...please pardon me being facetious, Dave, appreciate all of your great work, which almost never infuriates me! ;)

Tony C

Dave Cho sounds so much like one of the homies and not much like a podcaster. Exactly the kinda friend that men need. Freaking love his presence in the Cheniverse! Live for these kinda episodes. Thanks Daves!

Tony C

🙏💯 Hope all is well Brandon. Take care. I totally get fired up about podcast episodes too! What did you think about The Matrix 4 and Don't Look Up? 🙃🙂 Love this podcast and community.

Brandon Lee Tenney

David: I don’t mind being upset, and I appreciate this supportive space to voice that feeling. Thanks for listening with open ears and mind. Tony: Appreciate you. It’s hard not to—I’ve “known” these guys longer than my wife and most of my IRL friends. And I’m thankful for it. Matrix 4, in theory, on paper, in idealistic discussions with a really good blunt late at night under the stars and satellites—it’s bold, brilliant even, and admirable. In execution, it’s underwhelming and often felt like I was being poked and laughed at rather than engaged and on a journey with these characters. Felt like fanfic. Don’t Look Up—better than nothing, and I enjoyed it for the most part, but to what end? Doesn’t go hard enough to really be transgressive or subversive. The new M&M branding got more play on Fox. And if McKay and Leo and J Law want to do some real good, working within systems to change them will forever end in them changing, not the system. Thanks again for reading my rant and extending solidarity. Very kind.

michael shen

Caleb and couch guy got the worst kind of fame, where you can't monetize it and everyone else tries to increase their own following via a dunk contest on them. Dave Cho sounds like he is in a great spot where important players in media and tech knows who he is and he cashed out a nice amount when the tech content gravy train was flowing, but he is still anonymous enough to go anywhere unbothered.

Craig Belcher

Hey, Dave. Wanted to let you know that these Dave on Dave episodes are one of my favorite recurring shows along with anything you and Dan Gvozden discuss. Thank you for being awesome and getting awesome guests :)

tlc

Sadly I think if we "wait til we fix the problem" to discuss forgiveness, we will be waiting a loooong time, maybe forever, because we aren't going to solve the abuse of power in our lifetimes or our children's lifetimes. Maybe we can work on both? Walk and chew bubblegum at the same time?

Stranger2Reality

Dave, I'm sure others have asked, and maybe I've just missed the answer, but how do you possibly find the time to consume as much media and social media content as you do, while also producing as much as you do, while holding a full time job and a marriage? You must be one of the most efficient people alive or just never sleep or something to have the bandwidth you do. Also, in regards to what you said in this episode about how people probably don't want to know how you're really doing because it's usually not well, I do hope you're OK.

Stephen Porcello

Dave, just wanted to say I really enjoy these chats. At one point you alluded that a lot of times you aren't necessarily doing well - so I wanted to just say I hope you take the time for yourself and take breaks when you need - all of us internet friends will still be here later on and still supporting you if you ever need time for yourself!

Nathaniel St. Clair

These are always interesting conversations, but damn, Cho sounds more and more like my conservative reactionary uncle with every new podcast. The idea that we can fix the problems of predatory social media companies who have incentivized humans worst instincts by telling people to accept responsibility for the content they engage with is as absurd as blaming climate change on consumers. It’d be cool if Cho gave you a few seconds to respond every once in awhile. I still always look forward to these episodes, and I take full responsibility for that.