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Dave on Dave: World Conflicts, Deciding When to Go Full-Time, Making Something Meaningful (Patreon)

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2022-02-27 21:33:45
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Dave on Dave is an ongoing series in which David Cho and David Chen gather together to discuss life and work. Also, usually David Cho has some harsh words to say about David Chen's stuff!

In this episode, the Daves discuss when the right point is for David Chen to go full-time in online content creation, and what it means to make something meaningful.

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Jef Caine

Couldn't agree more with Cho on this one - You just gotta go for it! If you never try you'll always regret it. In terms of the fear of getting what you always wanted and still not being satisfied - you're already aware that it will happen. When you quit your day job and become a successful content creator and experience the eventual emptiness of that comes with that - remember the emptiness you experienced in the corporate world and take heart knowing that nothing truly satisfies. We all believe in you Dave!

The Evolution of Horror

I can 100% relate to everything being discussed in this episode and it was really helpful / valuable to hear. This week marks my final week in my “normal” day job, before I take the plunge and go full time as a podcaster / Patreon earner. I had the exact same panic as you this week when the Ukraine invasion started…I’m not really sure why, but I thought this could somehow make this already scary, potentially risky move, even riskier. It also gave me that existential crisis and made me think “with everything happening in the world right now, why the fuck would people want to pay money to hear me talk shit about horror movies?” But listening to you voice these worries helped because as someone on the other side of this, I love & value all your content and it genuinely helps during tough times like this. I’m sure all your other Patreon feel the same way, and like Cho said, if you go full time, that content will only get better and more prolific - there’s no way you’ll **lose** listeners or money. It’ll only go up. Everything Cho said is true, the risk isn’t as big as you think it is…you’ll be absolutely fine, and I’m absolutely certain you’ll make a success of this. But I totally understand all your worries and in a way, it was nice to hear you voice them, particularly as right now they’re all the same worries and neuroses as mine!

Suren DeSilva

Focusing on the one worst outcome has been the defining theme of my life and has definitely prevented me from reaching my potential. This was really helpful to listen to. Hope you can overcome it Dave!

Sayen Pillay

I just want to say on the point Cho made about your work touching peoples lives, I know Dave this has been very true for me. Over the past decade listening to the filmcast and your other content has not only brought me joy but also comfort in stressful times. I think you as a content creator are doing something good for others even though you might not see it fully yourself

M. R. Turnage

These are some of my favorite conversations. Have you ever thought about building a podcast based on conversations about career planning and job navigation?

Brad Sucks

I really love these conversations and often feel Mr. Cho is being too hard on you but I think he nailed it on this one. I don't have the rosiest view of being a full-time creator but I think you're in one of the best imaginable positions to do what you want to do creatively and it'd be a shame not to take a shot at giving it your full attention to see what happens. You’re definitely discounting the meaning your work already has, but also I think by doing it full time, the person you are will gravitate towards work with greater meaning for yourself and others. I relate to your fears though -- especially how resistant they are to logic. Unfortunately it’ll take a scary leap of faith, but you’re disciplined, practical and extremely well prepared for the possibility it doesn’t work out. Cheering you on no matter what you decide to do!

Nathaniel St. Clair

Go for it, Dave. I’ve been listening to podcasts since damn near the beginning of podcasts, and you’re one of the best talents in the craft I’ve found. It’d be awesome to see what you can do when this is more than a side gig.

David Chen

Definitely considering career advice as an avenue to explore. This is why i'm trying to do more Office Hours.

Derrick Clements

This was a tremendously excellent conversation. Thank you both for sharing. Was nodding many times in agreement in the supermarket aisle -- Dave, your podcasts about pop culture have brought great joy to my life over the years. It definitely has mattered and made a difference to me.

Marques Stewart

Dave, these are some of my favorite conversations and I get excited when I see it pop up. Your struggles and thoughts really reflect what others are thinking and to hear you two process it as friends is illuminating and so helpful. If you do decide to go full time in this space, Dave Cho is right you've already built a good Patreon foundation and can really only go up from here.

Tal Renfro

Dear Daves, I appreciate these conversations so much. Love the honesty and insights. It makes me think about my own life and goals in a new light. Thanks!

commenter

Agree with everything other comments have said but will add some personal context. I did "the scary thing" a year before COVID started and looking back, I don't think the decision (or reward from making it) would have been the same if I didn't get that normal year in before everything went to shit, excuse my language. There's something to be said for taking the risk while you're relatively sure what the current conditions are, because as Dave Cho said, bad things can happen at any time. Also as someone that also has an anxiety-sourced or risk averse way of thinking, there's also a huge cost to *not* doing the scary thing. The cost of wondering what if your entire life probably has a different weight to you than it does to me, but as an extremely nosy person, I can trick myself into doing the risky thing out of pure FOMO.

Dianae Weeks

Love the Dave on Dave! It’s great to listen I make breakfast.

Dianae Weeks

I also love when you do content with Joy of napping and how she tames you. ;-) I do agree that I love your voice too!

Warpstone

Loved this episode and 100% agree with David Cho on this one. You are such a creative person and have built a great body of work that you should take the leap. Give yourself the opportunity to completely focus on the work you create. I have heard a number stories from other creatives that use to have a career but longed to focus their time on what they love to do and when they made the jump did not regret their choice.