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Episode 171 - Are We Hard Enough on Bernie? (w/ Ari Rabin-Havt) (Patreon)

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Bernie 2020 Deputy Campaign Manager Ari Rabin-Havt is back to discuss his new tell-all book about the 2020 campaign: The Fighting Soul: On The Road With Bernie Sanders. The book is well timed to speculation about Bernie running in 2024, and concerns voiced by many progressives that he didn't take the movement far enough. I asked Ari about a potential Bernie run, the Congressional Progressive Caucus endorsement of Nina Turner's corporate opponent Shontel Brown, and whether the left has been too easy on Bernie -- rationalizing his inflexibility as an inextricable part of his admirable consistency. Also, Ari dishes on Facebook's attempts to control the sitting senator's messaging, how Bernie's Facebook page was killed by the algorithm, and why he once had to secretly dispose of towels soaked in Bernie's blood.

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Produced by Armand Aviram.

Theme by Nick Thorburn (@nickfromislands).

Comments

Anonymous

I think people are adequately hard enough on him. Of course he deserves criticism where it’s due. Overall, I admire this man. The amendment king has done a lot of good in this world, more than most. His conviction on the issues is what we should all aspire to. It would’ve been very easy for him to enrich himself over the decades like all the other politicians do. Seeing how quickly the squad sold out makes me admire him so much more now.

Anonymous

Bernie is a fine politician but he’s not what the American people need.

Michael

Some of y’all are just so online. Your soul isn’t at stake in presidential races, you know?

Jonathan Kadmon

I heard a lot of interviews with Ari because I want to read the book. Normally with these book promotion interviews once youve heard one or two there's very little value add even with good interviewers. But this one was a whole other conversation with LOADS of value added. This is why Bad Faith is up there with The Lever for best bargain for the buck in media. Seriously, I get waaay more than 5$ worth out of it every month 💪.

Anonymous

I often find myself agreeing with Jonathan Kadmon; I agree with him about the Ari interview. In his defense, I'll say that Ari is unusually honest and non-defensive compared to most political operatives. Unlike the last Bernie staffer interviewed on BF, Ari didn't talk in cliches and engaged Brie's questions, so even though I didn't agree with Ari on many points, I liked the interview. I'm glad Brie asked the "useful idiot" question -- that's what many of us have been asking ourselves as we've seen the intractable limitations and myriad betrayals of the so-called progressive Democrats.

Anonymous

I dont think you could find a more feckless person to hire for Deputy Campaign Manager. This guy could be outmaneuvered by a grade schooler. His voice literally quivers from a lack of conviction

Anonymous

Ari’s argument when he asks “Do we let him off the hook? Hmm?” works terribly for the conclusion that we should excuse Bernie. While it makes sense that he’d frame the issue as a contrast between a pure mannequin politician doing what the campaign staff tell them and Bernie’s unwillingness to accept advice or critique—he’s a professional campaigner, that’s what he does—the counterfactual “if he hadn’t been so stubborn, we’d never have had Bernie” explains exactly why Bernie refused to call out Biden, for instance. So, Ari’s is an argument for why, in part, Bernie lost; and why he’d likely lose again if he decides to run. If Bernie’s unwilling to accept harsh, honest criticism and feedback, that’s not “Not me, Us,” that’s “Me, not Us.”

Anonymous

Appreciate the Convo. I remember when someone said reality endorsed Bernie in the primaries, agreed! But at this point I can't help but think now it's Bernie who's not meeting the moment.

Anonymous

Bernie's campaign outraised Biden's by a mile. For Ari it was a great experience because he lost a campaign and got promoted. With campaign cochairs like Ari, Ro Khanna and Faiz who needs enemies

Anonymous

Good episode! Thanks!

Anonymous
>>82812595

You make a good point here because my brain immediately responded to this comment in Trump voice, “WRONG.”