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Episode 173 - Brown Red Alliance: Glenn Loury Revisited (Patreon)

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A couple of weeks ago, Briahna joined Brown professor Glenn Loury on his podcast to revisit their viral conversation on Bad Faith. It was so good, we're sharing it here on the free feed. What do a Black (Brown) conservative economics professor and a Black (and red) socialist have in common? Besides loving that Loury's wife loves Bernie? Listen and find out.

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Produced by Armand Aviram.

Theme by Nick Thorburn (@nickfromislands).

Comments

Anonymous

It always gets me when someone throws out the Obama "if you like your plan" quote, as if that were ever the case in the US system. I've had two jobs over the last 10 years and six health insurance companies. He likes his BCBS plan? He better pray his employer doesn't get a cheaper offer from United like mine did. Or get bought by company that uses a different insurer, like mine also did. Stability is a very weird point for defenders of the status quo to hang their arguments on.

Cory

It disappointed me that he was throwing out the stereotypical talking points. He didn't have a good, well thought-out rebuttal to you. And I think it's possible for a conservative to have a good rebuttal! This wasn't it. But yeah he's a nice guy and I'm glad you did this talk.

John H
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That part was when I started wondering if he was thoughtlessly arguing in bad faith, or has simply never had to actually use his insurance for anything other than routine care, which *inevitably* means dozens and dozens of hours on multiple calls back and forth to demand coverage of things clearly, explicitly covered. And has never had to try to find a new doctor; that part in particular is a nightmare with every HMO I've had, though maybe they've finally added some kind of searchable or location-based system with info on who's taking new patients in the last few years, because all I ever got was an undifferentiated, unsorted text list of in-network doctors that I had to cross-reference with info from hospitals and clinics, contacting dozens of people to play phone tag (so multiple calls each) to find a single PCP who might have unacceptable problems (which was the case several times when they hit my red flags of suggesting magical bullshit as medical care), making me go through the process all over again (I learned the second time not to discard my log of whom I had already contacted). I had Blue Cross Blue Shield, and they were exactly like every other insurer - shitty. Who the fuck *likes* their HMO?

John H
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And lord help you if you ever need non-preventative dental care, because that is expensive and not covered (thanks, Obama!).

Jacob

I'd love to have Richard Wolff and this guy on a show together. The arguments he put up were just same old same old talking points. Also wish it would have been emphasized that the majority of billionaires made in 2020-21 were hedge fund owners

Artemis

"We want to have suitable peers for our kids. We want them to be around people like us..." Like WTF?! So f*ck the unwashed masses, right? Conservatives thought can basically be summed up like this: "I'm better then y'all and I deserve more and the hell with everyone else." Or the fact he doesn't support increasing minimum wage because it will "remove insentives" to work. I guess ones does need the threat of starvation and homelessness to be willing to work in an Amazon wearhouse. Well if that's what he and his family believes, I don't want my kids hanging out with his kids either. Clearly they don't value human dignity or have compassion for anyone but thier own kin and class.

Anonymous

Much respect for Loury who MUST be a progressive leftist shill. No way could anybody spout off all the dumb, predictable talking points on every topic if he wasn't intentionally trying to have BJG methodically rebuke them all.

Anonymous

Glenn struck me as very gracious and willing to concede that BJG might just be right about some things. It's fantastic to think of Glenn's fans getting to hear from someone as compelling as BJG.

Anonymous

Who on Earth gave you Oppo Research on Elon and his South African apartheid colonialists family? Because whenever you Americans wether you come in a shade of black or white or anything in the middle praise the guy we Africans vomit in our mouths. Uuuugghhh!! 🤢🤢

Joey Trimboli

This guy is so obtuse, he just goes “hmmm” in a doubtful tone while Brie makes a point like “big money donors prop up centrist candidates with funding to swing elections” and then replies with a bunch of mealy mouthed nonsense. “Water runs downhill, that’s where the center is” what is this an ecology lesson? Okay this just keeps getting worse - the argument against taxing rich people that he presents as though he’s teaching us all the concept of taxation for the first time. No shit dude, it WAS Elon’s money but a lot of it should not be anymore. And this guy wants to go easy on billionaires *specifically* like they’re a protected class. Unbelievable. Also “oh so the state should be able to come in and take it” man they do not actually come into your house. Have you done taxes before? Good god. Oh no now we’re gonna socialize “one sixth of the American economy???” Get this guy a fainting couch and some smelling salts.

Michael Martin

Fantastic job BJG, you charmed him and educated him

Anonymous

This wasn’t an interview or a discussion. It seemed like his goal of having Brie on was to safely put her views on display with actually engaging and revealing the depths of his conservatism. I’m sure he greatly enjoyed the jack and Jill cotillions. I don’t even dislike him, I just wish he were more transparent and offered genuine counters if he really didn’t believe or understand her arguments.