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Episode 176 - We Need To Talk About Tucker (Patreon)

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Last week, the New York Times published a 20,000-word deep dive into Fox News host Tucker Carlson and the political views he espouses to the biggest audience on cable news. Now, in the wake of a mass shooting event in Buffalo allegedly inspired by his ideology, Carlson is coming under even greater scrutiny. Recorded prior to the tragic shooting events, this episode explores how Tucker has achieved such popularity, how liberals have failed to respond effectively, and whether the left is negligent in largely ignoring the Tucker phenomenon. How does one push back against "replacement theory," the American Exceptionalism that wrapped up in the guise of "anti CRT" advocacy, and a narrative that anticipates accusations of racism and uses them to argue that Tucker Carlson is the real victim? Is it enough to refocus the conversation on class issues and point out that the right is doing faux populism? Does avoiding the culture wars mean throwing minority groups like Trans Americans under the bus? A thoughtful panel comprised of Maximillian Alvarez, Trevor Beaulieu, & Q Anthony Omene discuss.

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Produced by Armand Aviram.

Theme by Nick Thorburn (@nickfromislands

Comments

Samuel Cain

Awesome convo and I just want to voice my conclusions for broader strategies. 1. The left have more thoughtful ideas and conclusions and therefore a much wider-spread base and we should act tactfully with that in mid (ie, use podcasts as vehicles to carry leftists together as a means of meeting over wide and dangerous waters. We need to have regular strategy talks with each of the hosts, while also having popular hosts connect to their audiences in more intimate way like what Brie does on Callin 🫡 2. Ask your coworkers about life struggles and working conditions/retirement. If you have political disagreements thoughtfully listen and assure them that their personal experience is valid despite differences, but remind them that wide gaps in power leads to dangerous power over workers, as wealthy people’s risk is never as much risk as what the worker under them makes (health and stress generally) if your boss loses their business but they had savings or credit than their lives and livelihoods are not equally at risk as the worker who might lose their apartment or go into debt to pay rent mortgage bills etc. 3. Direct conservative conversations to policy and make them define it as such. Reactionaries don’t think about policy, they can only engage with the rhetoric and psychological conditioning (ie getting triggered when seeing blue hair or peircings or react to pro union attitudes etc.) make them define their policy goals outside of particular pundits or political actors. Conclusively; stay in a respectful dialogue as long as you can to show them that you’re a reasonable respectful person who wants the needs of the workers to be met first and foremost as business leaders are absolutely saturated with capital that likely sits in a bank acct or gets invested into more exploitive schemes. Money in workers hands is money in motion and flowing capital is better than clotted capital, especially when workers are declining heath and time off and people are losing their homes with the rising cost of living meaning people have to give up their employment, hurting the entire economy, especially with weighing birth rates and aged and damaged veteran workers

Anonymous

I think we need to be honest about why there's so much hand-wringing in corporate media about Tucker Carlson. It's not because he's racist/sexist/xenophobic, etc. It's REALLY because he has the audacity to do segments like this...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhDfMfV7Zf0 He's literally channeling early 2000's michael moore messaging. In one clip he shreds, tim ryan, nancy pelosi, lindsey graham, mitch mcconnell, and barbara lee.

Anonymous
>>83981573

Criticize all you want, no one else on cable does that. If tucker gets thrown off fox, he'll just get replaced by another carbon copy of hannity

Anonymous

Love the show. Minor anecdotal point I wanted to offer for what it’s worth: I’m a trans guy who had a baby while being read as a binary guy. I appreciated the shout out today and solidarity to my bros out there. I’m basically stealth and I say “birth parent” to all sorts of people who don’t know anything about trans people and who dislike trans people. No one has ever raised an eyebrow and often people respond way more positively than I’d expect, ie just adopting the term and taking it as a given. My takeaway has been don’t underestimate people’s ability to adjust quickly with language on an individual level. Who knows how well it translates to their political lives…

Jared
>>83981573

100% spot on. How is it possible that Brie can’t understand this?

Sifl

Best point of the episode was getting the "rabble" involved and putting workers voices on left media. As much as Fox, CNN, MSNBC etc. dominate political media content, there is a ton more left/progressive content out there than there was 30-40 years ago. The Bernie Bro podcasts like Chapo and Street Fight are an acquired taste and other progressive media can be very academic or come from a very inside view of progressive politics. A show dedicated to just having worker's voices would be pretty amazing. As for Tucker, I think his "populism" is incredibly dangerous. There are reports that the Buffalo shooter read Jacobin and had a fair number of left views on inequality and the environment. But he ultimately got taken in by replacement theory and white nationalism. While that is an extreme example, I have run across people who are very alt-right/white nationalist who also horseshoe on issues like economic inequality. That makes me wonder whether these are people who are hard right on many issues, but are so far right that they have room to also go along with populist stuff like economic inequality or were they actually people who were on the left but drifted over to right wingers thanks to the likes of Tucker Carlson? I forget who made the comment on the episode, but the point about the left avoiding all the infights seems pretty important considering that the likes of Tucker Carlson are capable of scooping up people who would otherwise be solidly progressive with the combination of economic populism and replacement theory.

Jonathan Kadmon

I don't think Tucker is even fully aware of what he is doing. I think he took some cues from people like Rush Limbaugh and chased those outrage based dopamine hits. I think the growth of his popularity is more due to external factors...the failure of public and civil society institutions that seems to be spreading like a rash. It leaves people feeling like their drowning and looking for a life-raft. conspiracy theories, demagogues, and extremist ideologies thrive in such times. All of us sudden the things that worked well for him before started working exponentially better. Those people could be enticed left, but we have no developed methodology to tap into such things. Esoteric theories of how it works, yes, but no language to engage those people. We know how to talk *about* them but not *to* them. I think I understand the balance you seek, but there's nobody else with any kind of platform who even realizes they should be looking for it, much less where they should be looking. Trial and error, you're cutting the first path. You can develop something better on purpose than he did by accident, that much I believe. But he's got a major leg up through a direct pipeline via a major cable network direct to people's eyeballs. Breaking the thrall to the culture war framing is the first step, and you had the seeds of a great strategy in that conversation on "birthing persons" with Robbie. Disrupt the internal script (and the dopamine hit) with an unexpected challenge that forces them to think about and interrogate an assumption and lead them from there. But how to engage and on what points...that's the trial and error part. All I can suggest is trust your instincts, they've gotten you this far.

43rd CEC 2/3 ACR

Before we had the Tumor Crapson, there was Billy O’Reject, designated as the US Propagandist during “wartime debate hour” which was the regurgitation of “The McLaughlin group” to spin the facts and spur the political bases to create the dominant narrative: keep everyone pissed off, keep everyone too desperate to fight the system, find the organizers to either appropriate or assassinate as needed to maintain the static interest rates. If I’m lying, I’m dying. But what do I know, just have 49 months in Iraq chasing CIA funded “bad guys”….GTFO & GFY

43rd CEC 2/3 ACR

Whoever started literally “dunking their balls” as a legitimate point to be relevant to the conversation, you are a troglodyte and maybe with time and effort, you can realize how sexist and ignorantly unnecessary that was to the political discourse. Your egotistical urge to mention your genitals as some type of shocking quip of wit just highlights how woefully unprepared you are to discuss the issues of the day in a mature and logical manner. Maybe you can grow the fuck up, leave the debate to the rest of the adults that DO NOT need to resort to schoolyard tactics to seem “original”. You are about as original as a dinosaur stool sample.

Jared
>>83992533

If you had any intelligence then i would think you’d be incredibly dangerous too. Thankfully you don’t seem to have much.

Sifl
>>83992533

At least I listened to the episode before commenting. Not sure you have standing to sling stuff like this when you post before you even bother listening to the episode. Or did the FBI make you do that?

Adam Brosnan

It’s great to hear from Q. There was a lot less talk about Trump, pedophiles, and adrenochrome than I anticipated, but it was nonetheless good to hear his thoughts.