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Episode 185 - Is "Wokeness" Killing the Left? (w/ Freddie DeBoer & Pascal Robert) (Patreon)

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Last week, Sam Adler-Bell's provocative New York Magazine piece on the problem with contemporary "wokeness" discourse launched a thousand Twitter threads and response pieces. Many were critical, but does he have a point? Is there something toxic about how resistant some on the left are to talking to people who don't already agree with us? And if the goal is to reach a wider audience, doesn't that require us to use different language than we do when preaching to the choir? At what point does changing our language implicate the underlying morals and values? And does abandoning woke language mean abandoning the populations it's meant to serve? Pascal Robert of This is Revolution & Freddie deBoer of his eponymous blog join Briahna to talk Lizzo's lyric change, that NPR tweet about "menstruating people," the viral "What Is a Woman" film, and more.

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Produced by Armand Aviram.

Theme by Nick Thorburn (@nickfromislands).

Comments

Joey Trimboli

“Greek chorus clapping like a seal” is my favorite mixed metaphor in a while

Anonymous

Briahna, I think you are looking at this too much like a lawyer. The goal of language is to communicate ideas. We oversimplify things all the time when we are communicating ideas because that allows us to more clearly convey an idea. I'm also a lawyer, and I even do this when I'm drafting a legal brief. I might only state the general rule, which applies 90% of the time, because the rare exception aren't applicable in a particular case. This is why I think it would be fine for even a leftist to use the term "women" in this case because the purpose of the tweet isn't to comment on gender issues. Also, an issue that you didn't discuss is that the NPR tweet is an example of lazy journalism. Why are they are they citing "people who menstruate" for something that they could easily verify? A real journalist would take 5 minutes to confirm the facts and then just say "there is a tampon shortage."

Samuel Cain

Same logic as the Defund the police critique. I’ll stop critical support for people making efforts at correcting past behaviors and calling people out when I have opportunity. How will you stop people from engaging with a present and observable concept? By shaming them? Seems kinda dumb. You can offer better words/concepts that offer a clearer line in the sand, but your critique is facile and cedes anti-wokness to the right unless you’re willing and able to have an hour discussing the nuances

Peter Fishbeast

Freddie DeBore suck my balls and get back in the asylum

Dez Martin

Two episodes in a row that I'm absolutely skipping. I understand why these are her guests but I simply do not want to hear it. I'm a fucking communist I want solutions, this shit is a hamster wheel.

Rashida Islam

You don't eradicate women's oppression by legislating self id...

Rashida Islam

Unless you're saying male violence against women is not something to worry about? When you impose self id as the norm you completely disregard the material reality of women's subjugation.

Anonymous

"What is a woman?": a woman is someone who deserves universal healthcare, clean air, clean water, a safe neighborhood, a secure retirement, etc.

Avram A Hartman

The answer to "what is a woman? " is simple: "I believe every woman has the right to define her womanhood any way she chooses."