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Episode 192 - Dems vs. Greens (w/ Matthew Hoh & Dr. Jill Stein) (Patreon)

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North Carolina Senate candidate Matthew Hoh is enduring an all out attack from the Democratic Party to get him off the ballot. Why? Because he's running as a Green Party candidate. He got more than enough signatures, but the state wont certify them. And Hillary Clinton's lawyer is involved in a cold-calling campaign in which agents representing themselves as Green Party members are trying to get people to remove their names from the ballot petition. It's a mess, but Hoh-- a former Marine with big-time anti-interventionist credentials, isn't given up. He's joined by 2016 Green Party candidate Dr. Jill Stein to discuss the barriers Greens face, and why they should have the full support of the left.

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Produced by Armand Aviram.

Theme by Nick Thorburn (@nickfromislands).

Comments

Anonymous

I'm 57 and I would like to see 2 things happen before I die. 1- Detroit Lions go to the Super Bowl. 2- See a Leftist Woman become president. I think Jill Stein running again as a Green or Independent is the safer bet, and one I would love to have a chance to fight for!

Laurie Hoey

Is Matthew married? I love dogs, live a simple life in this capitalist hellscape and think we’d make a great team and I would hyphenate my name to Laurie Hoey-Hoh and together we will crush the patriarchy 🌈✨🦄🤩🙌♥️

Anonymous

I still waiting for Bri to organize a sit down with all the leaders of the "left " . So, The peoples party, the greens, DSA, socialist alternative, Breaking Points, Jordorn Charlton, Richard Wolf, Noam Chomsky, the Amazon Union , etc. Get them in a room and just pick a stratgy to a least get the ball moving. She's on speaking terms with all of them. If they all called for a general strike. Easily 10-15% of the population would listen for a day or two. I know that sit down would be difficult but very fruitfull.

Babbaboosh

Hi BF! Can we get a follow up about what happened with the Youtube Upload of this ep? And can we bring in some specialists to talk in depth about the Elias Law Group and (maybe?) release that for free online too? I guess I'm old and naive but I had no idea these people existed or what they've been up to.

Anonymous

If this isn’t proof that the Democrats can be very politically effective when they want to be, I don’t know what is. What they do to obstruct the (actual) political left is every bit as savvy as Mr. McConnell’s best work.

Anonymous

How is the Democratic Party not violating Hoh's civil rights? Is there any way to pursue this in court?

Anonymous

Love the Radiohead song choice 🥰

Nathan Ngumi

An interesting discussion. The small parties like Green are important because when the two-party hegemony is finally broken these parties will become realistic alternatives. This change could come sooner than expected, so those prepared will be best positioned to reap the benefits. I predict the following: After the midterms in which at least one House of Congress is expected to be flipped breaking Democrat control thereby making Pres Biden a lame duck for the rest of his term, both parties will be at a crossroads. The Democrats, reeling from the loss of Congress, will soul-search and discontent between the Far Left Progressive Minority (Sanders, the Squad, et al) and the Moderate Majority may force a split. The Far Left could go its way to form its own party led by Sanders, which is its best alternative because it will never take control of the Democratic Party. The Republicans, buoyed by the win of taking control of Congress, will have to deal with the albatross on its shoulders: Donald Trump. Trump's usefulness will be diminished severely to many Republicans after the midterms since his popularity will not be immediately useful. There will be a Moderate Majority who may opt to push Trump out of the party for various reasons (legal challenges, January 6 inquiry, etc.) and back other rising stars like Ron DeSantis, and a Far Right Minority group of die-hard supporters who want Trump to make a comeback in 2024. Since both groups have conflicting objectives, it appears that Trump's group may opt to split away and form its own party led by Trump. The net result is that in 2024, the mainstream Democratic Party and Republican Party will be joined by a Far-Left Progressive Party, a Far Right Trumpist Party and other small obscure parties of independents like the Green Party and Socialists. As Dr. Jill Stein mentioned, there could be attempts to form coalitions of the leftist parties. The earlier this is done, the better for the Progressive Movement. A unified Progressive Front in 2024 will shake the system to the core and divert many votes from the Democrats!

Anonymous

My problem with all of these 3rd party candidate conversations, especially with those running in national races, is that I never see a good answer as to why running for senate in NC, or president, is the best use of the limited resources we have. From my perspective, it feels like a vanity campaign, because they are too ideologically pure to vote for democrats (or really, to accept votes from normie dems if they won a primary), so we're putting resources to something that will go where? The green isn't going to win until something like ranked choice voting is put in place, so why are we running a green party campaign for senate, instead of running a ballot initiative for ranked choice? I am much more interested in a conversation about why the dems/the parties are fighting that, and the gross stuff that is going on there, and what we can do to fix that. The democrats suck, the system is corrupt, and it's a massive uphill battle to win in a primary, let alone as a 3rd party. Why do we continue to engage in national electoralism when this is all true? Why aren't these resources spent on specific ballot initiatives that solve these things? Or labor organizing? Or a primary even? What makes this senate campaign worthwhile versus those things?

Anonymous

The Bernie Sanders campaigns taught us the value of running a left-leaning candidate in the DNC-rigged primaries; by now the lesson shouldn’t need repeating. And what exactly makes “specific ballot initiatives that solve these things” more worthwhile than Mr. Hoh’s campaign in this corrupt system? Mr. Hoh’s and Dr. Stein’s intentions seem honorable and the furthest thing from “vanity.”

Anonymous
>>87610975

Wow! I hope you're healthy and have a lot of years left. I respect you're willingness to fight for your 2nd wish and over the next 30 years it could happen. As for your 1st wish..........well, one out of two ain't bad.

Anonymous
>>87688784

I thought of your comment when I was listening to Paul Jay of theAnalysis.news interview Katey Lauer, co-executive director of West Virginia Can’t Wait (the largest electoral organizing infrastructure the state of WV has seen in decades), recently. She relates a personal story to explain why she became involved in electoral politics stating that "in the wake of the chemical spill, there were some very simple changes that the water company, West Virginia American Water, could have made, that could have been mandated by our Public Service Commission to make it such that a chemical spill like that would have never happened again [she is referring to the 2014 Elk River chemical spill that resulted in the loss of drinking water for 300,000 WV residents]. We did all of the things that I know to do as an organizer. We ran I think what was a really effective issue-based campaign and we lost. The reason we lost is because the governor, our corporate governor, appointed corporate appointees to occupy the positions that are on the Public Service Commission board. I think it was sort of the last straw for me in realizing our government is so rigged. It is so much under corporate control that even in this most extreme, acute situation that impacts a significant portion of our State— we’re a tiny state. Three hundred thousand people is a lot of folks for West Virginia. We have fewer than 2 million people here. Even then, under those very drastic circumstances, we couldn’t even get the most basic protections." I am a pessimist by nature but, lately, I am daring to hope that more folks than we've ever imagined are done with the two-party system and will either not vote at all or vote Third Party. The Greens don't have to win to have an impact...if the numbers are there.... BTW, I have always registered as a Democrat because I've lived in states with closed primaries but I couldn't stomach it anymore after they got the Green Party thrown off the ticket in the last election (Pennsylvania). [When I try to begin a new paragraph, my comment gets posted. Would appreciate it if someone would tell me how this works. Thanks.]

Gene

Spectacular, both of them. Inspiring and galvanizing! Great content here. Appreciate the introduction to Mathew Hoh. I admire his convictions as much as I do Dr. Jill’s. (No wonder Hillary Clinton, et al chose to smear Dr. Jill rather than compete honestly). The corrupt DNC being this scared of a 3rd party is very telling. May the number of us committed to starving the undemocratic system of any perceived legitimacy skyrocket to a tipping point. Either way, we can go down fighting for good.

Anonymous

Let's be clear, the Democrats sole purpose is to drain financial, progressive energy from the Left to frustrate and disillusion. Electoral politics is dead and power will concede nothing. So what does that mean? It means literal fascism is inevitable and only a parallel system of government that prepares and supports the community will have any chance of survival. The system works, let's stop supporting it. Panther Party.